JL? I've completely forgotten about him, he's in the past
for me. I've moved on...

True random is a beautiful thing. Not fake random that
runs slots or online casino roulette wheels. True random
can't be tricked or gotten around. It doesn't have weak
spots or strong spots, its always the same. Random.

Without understanding how random works you don't have
a chance of beating roulette. If you don't learn how to
think like random thinks, it will never let you tame it. Random
has limitations and it has rules. Its never the same and its
always the same. Almost sounds like a primitive definition
of the nature of god.

Quote from: Trebor on November 30, 2012, 11:24:25 PM
Spike,

I imagine that by now JL fully understands your arguments.

He reminds me of posters from the old VLS, guys like
Fender1000. He had a system called The Zone. He'd
supposedly been playing it for 5 years, he was woefully
math ignorant, but swore his system never lost, always
made money. He had his faithful followers who believed
every word he said, they were all eventually banned
because of course The Zone didn't work at all in a real
casino. It was only in practice where you could curve fit
the heck out of it that it had any traction. This sure
reminds me of that..

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Quote from: JohnLegend on November 30, 2012, 10:24:02 PM
But youll learn. Just keep popping in and out of this forum

LOL! I'll learn? Listen sonny, you think you're the first
math illiterate poseur who's been bamboozled by his
own inexperience and thinks he has
an earth shattering-casino changing system that will
make him a quadzillionaire? Get in line, the bodies of
those who came before you are in your rear view mirror.

I'll learn? I can tell if a system will work or not by examining
it for about 20 seconds. Yours took about a second and
a half.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 30, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
simply believe that randomness has limitations at very specific moments in time. 

that's because you don't understand the nature
of randomness. The casinos understand it inside
and out. Randomness has no strengths and it
has no weaknesses. None. It is what it is. And
it is what it is all the time. Death doesn't take
holidays and neither does randomness.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 30, 2012, 08:14:19 PM
Spike I only need to know it WORKS.

Sigh. But you don't know that it works, that's
the point. Its like the drug company releasing
a new drug to the public cause it works on rats.
"Hey, we only know that it works, good enough
for us." that's how Thorp changed BJ forever.
There were card counters for decades before
Thorp. But he showed HOW it works and WHY it
works and proved it with the math.

I say take your system to the casino and throw
money at it, you'll find out the truth soon enough.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 30, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
I don't have an exact answer. My theory is simple. ITS HARDER TO LAND DEAD ON TOP OF A LOSS, THAN TO TRAVEL TOWARDS A LOSS.

Which is meaningless. You don't know how the math
for your own system works, you don't know how it
wins, you know nothing about probability or the nature
of random outcomes. You're the guy who strapped
on some balsam wings and jumped off the barn roof
and didn't die, so now you're an expert on winged
flight. Keep jumping, Lindbergh, the truth will eventually
catch up to you.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 30, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
Its about an aspect of the game that maths probability have a weaker grip on.

Implying you have a strong grip on it. All right,
I'll bite. What is it about probability that's weak
in your 'aspect' of the game that lets you win
more than lose. Go into detail, show us why
this works.

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 29, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
I suppose what I am saying is that you could play your own permanence at anytime and the wheel you are playing on makes no difference. I could go along with that.

I don't know what 'your own permanence' means.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 29, 2012, 07:03:13 PM
It's not a verification or validation of PB but more it's a validation that PB can look like a winner in the short run but that it will always be a loser in the long run.

Throw a little curve fitting into the mix and that's
where we always end up with these scenerios.
Curve fitting is nasty, you can do it without even
realizing it. You think you have a winning system
when your thumb has been on the scale the
whole time, screwing up the true results.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 29, 2012, 07:01:54 PM
Spike you will be proven wrong and shallow in your thought process. I GAURANTEE YOU THAT.

Odd, that's what they all say and so far, none
of them have proved anything except what
they do isn't based on the reality how things
work.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 29, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
"WHY IS THS JL CHARACTOR GOING TO PUSH A METHOD SO HARD IF HE KNOWS IT doesn't WORK??

Its usually because they haven't discovered they don't
work yet. Every guy who pushes these things always
has a boatload of bragging to back him up. Why, I've
done this for 9 years and 7600 games and bought a house
and a boat and a $100K car with the proceeds.

The truth is, they discovered the thing a short time ago,
have never bet real money with it, and want the
forum to prove if it works or doesn't work so they can
save themselves the time of doing the heavy lifting
themselves.

Unless the laws of probability have changed and nobody
told me, all of these systems are doomed. But they can
be fun to work on as long as you do it without investing
real money.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Lack of undersating of how random outcomes work is
the downfall of most systems.

Look at the casino. They understand random completely.
They know that it gives them their edge in roulette. They
start with the premise that the best you can do is 50/50,
throw in some unfair pay outs, a zero or two, and they
have their edge.

Set out first and foremost to understand how random works,
then come up a playable strategy. Don't make statements
like 'R/B is weaker than O/E or H/L.' Silliness like that just
shows you've never studied random. Learn it, grasp it, then
you're at square one. Anything else is just putting the cart
before the horse.   

Legend says:

"Random will bite you at some point. And that point could be fatal."

Every spin in roulette is random. There are no
'less random' spins. That being said, how can
random 'bite you', or do anything to you. Its
always random all the time.

I'm trying to understand where you're coming
from. And you still haven't explained how R/B
is weaker than H/L or O/E. Enquiring minds
want to know.

Its impossible to dig a hole if you know what's
going on in your gane at all times. If you always know
where your game stands in relation to the random
outcomes being presented, you always know when
to bet, not bet, and run away.

If you don't have this info available when you play,
you're playing blind and this always leads to bad
things.