Yes everybody, I KNOW not to take a bonus. I told
them NO BONUS and they said OK, then gave me the
bonus anyway.

My question is, now what? They specifically said no
bets on roulette EC's, or dozens or columns. They
said nothing about streets or the inside numbers.

Does that mean I can play those?

Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 24, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
Spike

It has been my experience you have to bet your deposit amount around 35 or more times on slots or Keno.

Sam

Are you saying I can't bet roulette at all?

I deposited $50 at an online casino and told them no bonus.
They said OK and gave me the bonus anyway. So now I have
to wager $2000 before I can withdraw any money.

They say any bets on Baccarat, the EC's in roulette, the dozens
or columns in roulette, do not count to bringing down the bonus.

Is anybody familiar with this? Does this mean I can still bet the
streets and double streets? If so, what's stopping me from betting
all 6 double streets at once and a small bet on the zero. This will
bring down the $2000 requirement in no time.

Any comments welcome.

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 21, 2013, 06:04:13 AM

What makes you think these guys are out to get you so bad?

They are always looking for consistent winners, no matter
what the amounts. I've established online relationships
over the years with three full time casino suits, one of them
is even head of surveillance in his casino. A good pit person
won't care about a low level consistent winner, somebody in
roulette who takes them for 4-5 hundred a week. The trouble
is, only about half of any casinos pit are competent. The
ones who aren't are usually ex dealers who are so jealous
of winners, and who sweat the casinos money to such a degree,
they see the boogyman everywhere.

If you aren't a consistent winner, someone who walks away
with the casinos money every time you visit, don't worry about
it. It doesn't concern you, its above your pay grade. For those
of us that do it, staying under the radar is a constant concern.

The best thing is to take trips to places you rarely visit, where
they don't know you. But playing local casinos, where most peoples
action takes place, is a different story entirely. Take Ken as an example. He's a long term winner, but hardly a consistent one. His
casino tolerates him because he loses big amounts occasonally,
and its hard for them to track his play. If he won every time he was
there, they woud have dumped him years ago.

Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 21, 2013, 01:49:35 AM
If you can in fact do it just looking at the board, why not just stick with that?  Visually looking at the board is clearly easier and less of a pain in the behind than writing things down.

Because I never want to do the same thing twice
at the same casino. You never want to become
pigeon holed for always making the same bets.

Guess why.

Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 21, 2013, 01:33:21 AM
And you do this with a pad and pencil and still write whatever you do down?

Depends on what I'm doing that day. Sometimes
I just use the board. I never sit at the table, ever.
And no its not hit and run, just because you don't
sit there with the other chumps doesn't mean its
hit and run.

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 20, 2013, 07:48:20 PM
Spike, you don't have an advantage at times because you don't see one.

I always have an advantage at all times. Its just
some times are better than others. Again, the
point it to spend as little time making your goal
as possible, not to make as many bets as you can
when you're there.

My goal is always paramount in my mind, how to make
it in as few bets as possible. The last thing I want is
for the pit to say "Here comes that guy who bets and
bets and always leaves a winner." I want to get in and
get out before they hardly know I'm there.

First you have to learn how to win, but that's only half of it.
Now you have to learn to get away with it in the casino.

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 20, 2013, 06:04:31 PM
You are clearly saying that there are segments in the stream of spins that are useless,

I'm not clearly saying that at all. Why should I bet
if I don't have an advantage? I have no interest
in breaking even anymore when I'm not winning, so
betting every spin is a waste of time. There no my
random or you're random, there is only random.

The point is to get out of the casino as soon as possible,
not dawdle around..

Quote from: Drazen on March 19, 2013, 10:29:04 PM


Well if one can see or recognize or pinpoint excatly "bad states"

Drazen

Its not really a bad state, it just doesn't jibe with
what your method is. As Bombus (or whatever he
calls himself here) pointed out, there are no good
or bad states.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 19, 2013, 10:07:11 PM

I just had to quote you on that and i fully agree ...
I might use those words as my own ...

Cheers

Its hard to say which comes first, knowing when to bet
or when not to. that's the problem with progressions,
they give you a false sense of security. You feel like
your bets are protected, and they're not.

It even happens to me. If I play a progression for fun
in practice, I can feel my attention relax, I don't have
to concentrate so much, the progression will cover
my mistakes. A very bad frame of mind to play in..

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 19, 2013, 08:51:49 PM
Spike- " Smart men have been looking for this since roulette was invented. They never found it because it doesn't exist in random outcomes."

That's Spike's entire argument. He says his kind of randomness works

There is no 'his kind of randomness', there's only random.
Just one kind, it doesn't belong to anybody. It stands by
itself, accept it or don't, it will continue without you.

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 19, 2013, 04:03:23 PM
  All a timeline is, is a continuous set of past spins.

No, that isn't a timeline. A timeline is just what the word
says it is. A line to establish when certain events occur in
correlation to other events so we can determine if there
is a pattern to these events that we can exploit to our
advantage. Smart men have been looking for this since
roulette was invented. They never found it because it
doesn't exist in random outcomes.

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 19, 2013, 02:02:04 AM

You mean answers.

Actually, I don't. Sorry. Answer stands by itself.

Quote from: VLS on March 19, 2013, 12:59:42 AM

6 months of processing power today can actually do a tad more...

6 months was to make a point. It could be 6 nano seconds.

And the point was, these really smart dedicated men did the same
research that's done today and came to the conclusion there is no
timeline and random cannot be predicted.

This is not an evil thing. It just makes us look elsewhere.
for the answer.

Quote from: VLS on March 18, 2013, 09:57:17 PM

Some say there is no "timeline" in the game (the 1-spin-wonder side),

If there was a timeline to random outcomes, they wouldn't
be random. They wouldn't be used in casino games if they
were at all predictable. One thing I never forget or lose
sight of, people far smarter than most of the people on this
forum have been trying to figure this out for a few hundred
years and none of them ever did. Just because you have
access to computers doesn't mean you're any better than
those old guys. All it means is you come to the same conclusions
they did much faster. What took them 5 years might only
take you six months. But the conclusions are the same, nevertheless.