I will also download and use the new Ophis tracker for Speramus 

Quote from: ophis on November 12, 2012, 07:15:36 PM
I have updated MST (PB,PF,PB4) to behave the way you have stated in this latest post.
If MST will not update by itself here you can find manually dowloadable version MST 1.6.5

Download MST_v165.zip

Ophis a few members would like to throw some coin your direction. If you could put up your paypal info then whoever wants to can donate something

You're actually better off playing for both HIGH/LOW and the ODD/EVEN at the same time and whatever one give you the betting opportunity first then you take it and ignore the other chance if it appears while betting the first chance. Then log out when you have 1 win, i'll speed you up and as the ball is being spun the same amount of times anyway it makes sense to play both and get faster bet chances. Playing 1 of the two methods only, you'll still have the same amount of ball spins but half the chances to bet.

I'm talking about using ophis tracker where you can visually see the betting chances pop up on screen like so....



If you had only been tracking O/E you would have missed High/Low chance and you would still be looking for a bet chance to appear. Use the tracker and cover all PB methods to speed you up with same amount of balls spun.

Quote from: Tarantino on November 12, 2012, 10:14:37 AM
My records playing "thepilot" way is as follows...

Playing H/L and R/B  ...
Won 40
Lost 1...
Winning streak 35.... current streak is 5...
I have been playing my progression like i said, 25...50...100... Total 175...
Winnings 40 x 25 = 1000      Loses 1 x 175 =175      Profit 1000 - 175 =  825
Only time will tell if it works this way... For me, the less games u play, the less chance you have of getting caught. I play only 4-6 games a day, depending on work and kids etc...
Question for JL....
1. What have you been doing when you have to bet on H/L or R/B at the same time, do u still bet... Or O/E in your case, have u ever had to bet on all 3 at the same time ?

Out of interest...was your loss playing red black? I personally only play High/Low and Odd/Even...I don't play red black as I find it loses more than the others.

Happy returns  MR V 

Good job 

or even higher up than that as it really is important to have good money management to play the game. 

Can we move the money management boards up to between the roulette and baccarrat boards perhaps?

I just feel it's a bit lost down there and it's an integral part of a winning long term strategy to have robust money management system and knowledge of money management.

Yea or Ney?

Ha...Subby fail...I totally misread your thread.

As twister said, once you are +1 unit then you stop even if the others don't come through....leave it until much later on then you can if you wish jump in again. I wouldn't be looking to win too many units straight away.

Personally I'd NOT bet on RED/BLACK, just the other 2 (high/low and even/odd)

red and black on the wheel are just too uniform r/b/r/b/r/b/r/b/r/b/etc

wheras odd even and high low are marginally different layout on the wheel

In answer to your question though....when playing all 3 methods you are tracking all 3 separately so you just track as normal until you have a betting opportunity

Quote from: albalaha on November 09, 2012, 05:50:07 AM
Johnlegend,
                   I want to know the best suggested settings from you of your PB, in Ophis MST.

Morning mate,

Just thought I'd chip in as I also use his tracker. It is set up to play 1, 3, 7 as your bets. Not overly sure why but it is, just change to 1, 2, 4 and you'll still grind out unit wins

Morning shogun and koolcat - a couple of members I've been chatting to over on the other forum who I told should come over here as well as using the other forum

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 08, 2012, 09:07:13 PM
Hi Subby what I mean is the minumum number of spins 7 of the 8 patterns could form in is 21. If you ever see this you have been handed a gift by random. Because its almost impossible for random to form all 8 patterns in the minumum of 24 spins. It happenned to me 39 times in the 6010 games I've played.

And when it happens you should at least treble your usual stakes plus cover the zero for as certain a winner as you will realistically get in this game.

Good call, I use Ophis's tracker so I'll keep an eye out for this happening and go for it.

If a total loss is 7 units (betting 1, 2, 4 units) and you just suck up any loss and never increase your bet, then your bankroll needs to be 20 times a loss....minimum.

Why 20 you may ask?

It's to do with the "fear/panic factor" when we take a loss.

Say you have a bankroll of £100 (I'm using GPB £'s as I'm from the UK) say you have that 100 bankroll and you were playing £5 units, due to the fact you didn't really know much about money management techniques. Your 3 bets would be £5, £10, £20 - That's a loss of £35 which against a £100 bankroll is over a third. If you lose a third of your bankroll then the fear can creep into your mindset and make you try to recoup some of it back fast...You've just lost a third of your bankroll, that's a scary thought and one that catches MANY people out and makes them chase a quick recovery. We all know that this can be fatal to your remaining bankroll. NEVER CHASE - PATIENCE WINS....NOT RASH "FAST RECOVERY" BETS

BUT...and here is where the "20 times" bankroll mindset comes in...When you take a loss of £35 but your bankroll is in excess of £700, well, that's a SERIOUSLY less fearful loss when you look at your bankroll 1/20th which is mentally a LOT easier to take and even walk away with a "Oooh nice one random, you got me there but I@ll get you the next time"...perhaps with a wry smile from you too

This is just my money management suggestion for pattern breaker -

ASSUMING £1 is 1unit

Ideally you need a BR to be at as a MINIMUM-
£140 to bet £1 units
£280 ...........£2 units
£420 ...........£3 units
£560............£4 units
£700............£5 units

I'd suggest that, ON AVERAGE, you stick with £5 units as you only need to play 2-4 games a day to take out a nice amount of money at the end of each month for life's nicer things (holiday, presents for kids etc) You can of course ignore this and go ahead and bet your comfort unit size.

£840 ...........£6 units
£980............£7 units
£1120..........£8 units
£1260..........£9 units
£1400..........£10 units

I'd also suggest that you reach the next bankroll mark before betting the corresponding unit size. By that I mean this

Wait until your bankroll is £280 BEFORE MOVING UP TO £2 UNITS...i.e. stay at £1 units until your BR is £280 ONLY THEN move up to using £2 units and so on....wait until your BR is at £420 BEFORE MOVING FROM £2 UP TO £3 UNITS

If you have a substantial BR like £3,500

You can then look at really serious money making by using units worth £25 betting sequence would be something like £25, £50, £100.

With a bankroll that size you can perhaps afford to cover the green Zero on the last bet with perhaps a £5 on green zero as insurance...each to their own on that green zero bet though. I cover green on my last bet as I@ve hit it so many times on a final bet.

Remember to keep your BR in your own savings account though and not all in a casino account Let the interest grow it as well as your game play winnings 

If you have a bankroll of 100 units and you lose 7 (1 total loss for pattern Breaker) that's not much really of a % loss of your overall bankroll.

Play 6 games in one day and from experience you will get 3 or 4 days of no losses which will let you build your bankroll up when you DO lose...ULTRA MARATHON...not a sprint

---a game is HIGH/LOW
---a game is ODD/EVEN
---a game is RED/BLACK

So if you're tracking all 3 then you only play twice day! If you only play 2 methods ( I personally only play ODD/EVEN and HIGH.LOW as I found RED/BLACK loses more often due to the board layout) then you'll log in 3 times a day for 2 games each time...of course you can play less...the call is yours - JUST REMEMBER TO SET YOURSELF A GOAL AND DON'T TRY TO PLAY TOO MUCH OR BE GREEDY - Ultra marathon remember!!

If you say to yourself...today I'm going in to play 6 games only ...then that EXACTLY what you do. Regardless of if you get six wins in those 6 games or four wins and two loss etc...

Never play more than six games in one day. More often than not you will win all six games and you can go 2 or 3 days or more when you win all six games.

The more you play consistently at one table the more likely that random will find a way to beat you. I know most people don't believe in playing hit and run but I swear by it. I think that there are long periods in a day when things will go your way in numbers spun by the wheel but if you play long hours then you'll be more likely to hit one of the times in the day when numbers will go against you. Just my opinion.

If you play hit and run for six games there is more chance of you playing in the zone when things will go your way. If you play longer then there is more chance that you'll also hit the bad zone when things will go against you...like hitting a triple spun number etc..

Take the LONG outlook view for playing a method...it's a REAL hard grind at the start to get your bankroll up high but if you can do it, the rewards are there for sure.

Say you play 5 games a day (I use 5 as an easier example for number adding purposes as opposed to 6) of PATTERN BREAKER for 30 days...that's 150 games in one month...just as an example ok.

Taking a 10win to 1loss view then you can expect, from that 150 games, something like...

130 wins of 1 unit = 130 units

You'll expect to hit 10-13 losses over that month's worth of 150 games which works out at - 7units x 13losses = 91 units lost - I'LL USE 90 AS AN EVEN FIGURE TO EXPLAIN

130units won - 90 units lost = 40 units profit for the month


40 units @ £1 or €1 doesn't sound much...but if you build on that and do this a number of months so your bankroll lets you play £5 or €5 units....then that 40 units profit each month x £5/€5 = 200 which is a nice earner each month.

...take it one stage further like the poster called Pilot has...where your 1 unit is £50/€50 then multiply that by 40 units profit each month...2,000!!!   That is where you want to be. BUT...and this is the HUGE BUT...it is the patience needed to GET your small bankroll up to a huge level that is the hard part. Playing the system isn't hard, it's the mental ability to stick to a method that seems to be going slowly...only for it to explode after 5-6 months.

Can you do that 5-6 months play to get your BR up? That's the key.

Say you started with £100 bankroll

End of month 1 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £100 plus 40units you win = £140 betting £1 units

End of month 2 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £140 plus 40units you win = £180 betting £1 units

End of month 3 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £180 plus 40units you win = £220 betting £1 units

End of month 4 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker going to be about £220 plus 40units you win = £260 betting £1 units

End of month 5 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker going to be about £260 plus 40units you win = £300 betting £1 units

At this stage...£300 in our BR...we've now gone past the "bankroll needed to move up a unit value" (20 times a total loss) 7 units as a loss x 20 = £140units

I'd also suggest that you reach the next bankroll mark before betting the corresponding unit size. By that I mean this

Wait until your bankroll is £280 BEFORE MOVING UP TO £2 UNITS...i.e. stay at £1 units until your BR is £280 ONLY THEN move up to using £2 units and so on....wait until your BR is at £420 BEFORE MOVING FROM £2 UP TO £3 UNITS


Ideally you need a BR of 140 to bet £1 units
£280 ........................£2 units
£420 ........................£3 units
£560.........................£4 units
£700.........................£5 units


You're at end of month 5 and now with a BR of over 300 it allows you to move the unit value up from £1 up to £2 units


End of month 6 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £300 plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £2 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £1 unit) = £300 BR plus (40 units won x £2) = £380

End of month 7 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £380 plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £2 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £1 unit) = £380 BR plus (40 units won x £2) = £460

At this stage you can move up to £3 unit values form the £2 as you've passed the threshold for moving up a unit value while still having 20 times a total loss as your BR

End of month 8 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £460 plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £3 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £2 unit) = £460 BR plus (40 units won x £3 = 120) = £580 <- new unit value threshold

At this stage you can move up to £4 unit values from the £3 as you've passed the threshold for moving up a unit value while still having 20 times a total loss as your BR

End of month 9 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about £580 plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £4 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £3 unit) = £580  BR plus (40 units won x £4 = 160) = £740

...and so on

***REMEMBER THAT THIS IS AN ULTRA MARATHON - NOT A SPRINT!!!!*** 9 months sounds a LOT and will take a LOT of dedication

You can see not a lot of movement in the unit value for the first 6 months but then it starts to rocket when you have a BR big enough to let you bet higher unit values. It's this 9 month plan that we should all be sticking too  which will let us fleece the casinos for all we can get

You can accelerate your speed if you place £50 each month into your bankroll as a topup - ONLY DO THIS IF YOU ARE WORKING AND CAN AFFORD TO!!! Remember don't bet with money you need to pay bills and eat!!! 

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 07, 2012, 05:20:48 PM

I got two dream breakdowns of 7 patterns in 21 spins which I took advantage of by trebling stakes as it's a virtual gaurantee of a win

John can you expand on what you mean by this?

7 patterns in 21 spins?