Can anyone post the Lou Halloway progression ?

I think it was a very long conservative progression.

Is this for the O wheel only or the O and OO ( american ) wheel?

Might be better playing baccarat instead of roulette.   

Roulette with the 00 and 0 has a 5.26 % house edge. With just the 0 house edge is 2.6 %

Baccarat house edge is about 1.3 %  which is better than roulette.

"But in truth, there is no "law of averages". As stated above when explaining bias, it's only "in the long run", or on average that outcomes even out, as shown by the law of large numbers. There is no "law of small numbers".


That is a quote from the article mentioned above.



So if that is true, then if you flip an umbiased penny 40,000,000 times, then heads should come up 20,000, 000 times and tails should come up 20,000,000 times.

I will bet everything that I own that won't happen.

Looks like a standard martingale  or negative progression. Your last bet would be $ 187,800 if you were betting          $ 100 a  unit in baccarat.

I think even Bill Gates would begin to sweat that bet.

Might try this with baccarat......just use Banker and Player for the 4 decisions such as BBBP or PBPB  etc etc and then use the OSOS or SOSO





"Draw some chips..........let everybody play on the house"

I did a quick test on some real brick and mortar wheels

1. The 2 wheels are American wheels (OO)
2. I only looked at last 18 spins
3. If there was a tie, then there was NO bet
4. The method.......I only used the last 18 spins. I used a column baccarat sheet with the A B  C D E F G H I  on top as columns.  If a number fell in a sector, I put a check mark in that sector (so  if a number 5 hit I put a check mark in the B column - America wheel )
5. When the next number hit, I erased the check mark in the 18th number back and replaced that number with the current number so I was always looking at the last 18 numbers.
6. Then I just count the check marks in each ABCDEFGHI column and whichever column had the most check marks I bet those 4 numbers.

I used the F and I  whereas the original poster didn't...........doesn't make a difference.


Wheel #1

8  losses
1  win

losses = 32 -3 = 35
Wins   = +35

Break even wheel



Wheel #2

10 losses and 3 winners

10 losses =    - 40 - 9 = -49

Wins = 3 x 35 = 105

Profit = 105 - 49 = 56 units

Total invested = 13 spins x 4 units a spin = 52 units

ROI = 56/52 =  107 %  ( home run wheel ....keep hitting like this and you will own the casino)

Obviously need a lot of testing.

Maybe best way to play is with 1 or 2 partners on different wheels and split the bankroll evenly ......might have a better chance to catch the hot wheel if you have more people playing more wheels.

Before risking real money, I would try a virtual 50 spin test.

Just record the 50 spins in an on online casino or brick and mortar and see how you do.

If you can hit 6 winners out of 50 spins ( 6/50 =12% winners ) I would risk real money

44  losses x 4 units a bet = -176 units

Plus you lose 3 units on the 6 spins you win since you are betting 4 units a spin.  So 3 x 6 = -18 units

You win 35 units x 6 on the 6 spins you win so 35 x 6 = + 210

So you win 210 - 176 - 18 = + +16 units

You bet 4 units x 50 spins so total investment = 200 units

You won 16 units  so return on investment = 16 / 200 = 8 % ROI

Which is huge ROI. Las Vegas built a whole city on a house ROI of  1% to 5 %

If you only hit 5 winners out of 50, you will have a losing ROI which I think is about -10% ROI.
That extra win from 5 wins to 6 wins means the difference between losing and winning.

Sine you are only betting 4 numbers, be prepared for long losing streaks of 10 to 15 losing bets in a row.......
and of course the hardest part is knowing when to quit betting.

Of course 50 spins is not a good sample size since you need about 6,000 or 7,000 actual spins to get a good feel for the drawdowns and losing streaks........but 50 spins will give you some kind of idea you can work with.

If you play at a brick and mortar casino, there is no problem with getting your bets down since it takes the dealer a long time to clear the table and pay the winners....but of course the casino can see you are betting on sectors, and you are also keeping track of the numbers on a piece of paper, and depending on how much you bet, they may ask you to take a hike if you start winning too much....but of course there is a way around this.

sputnik....can you explain your progression for the first 10 or 15 spins below.....you obviously lose 2 units on a loss and only win 1 unit on a win since you  always have to bet 2 dozens


2.
3.
3.
3.
2 L.
2 W. +1   
2 W.   
1 W.   
1 W.   
2 L.
1 W. +2   
2 W.   
1 L.   
1 W. +3   
3 W.   
1 W.   
1 L.   
2 W. +4   
1 W.   
3 W.   
2 W.   
2 L.
1 L. +2   
1 W. +3   
2 L.   
1 W. +4   
1 L.   
2 W. +5   
3 W.   
3 W.   
1 L.   
3 W. +6   
3 L.   
1 W. +7   
2 W.
2 W.
1 W.
2 W.
1 W.
1 W.
2 W.
2 L.
3 W. +8
2 W.
3 W.
2 L.
3 L. +6
1 W  +7
3 L
1 W  +8
1 W
1
1
2
2
1
2
3

Next time you play for real, note which side is ahead after the first 4 cards and then note which side wins the hand.

Do your own experiment.

Some  more facts ;

1. Look at any old shoe you have and up all the hands with runs of 3 or less.....most shoes will have runs of 3 or less between 65% and 90 % of the total hands in the shoe.

For example:  PBPBPB
                     P  P B B
                     p     B
                     p     B

There are 14 hands and only 2 hands below than the " 3" line.

% of hands above the 3 line = 12/14 = about 85 %

Check out some of your old shoes,,,,,some shoes are  85% to 90% above the 3 line.

2, Next time you play, look and see which side is ahead after the first 4 cards are dealt. Whoever is ahead after the first 4 cards will win the hand between 65 % and    100 % of the time, depending on the shoe.

Example,  Player has a 2 and a 1 total of 3.

Banker has 2 aces for total of 2. Player will win the hand between 65 % and 100 % of the time since Player is ahead 3 to 2.

Player has a 4 and an ace total of 5. Banker has a 2 and a 4, total of 6. Banker will win between 65% and 100 % of the time since Banker is ahead 6 to 5.

Player has an ace and an 8 for natural 9 and banker has a 2 and a 3, total of 5. Player of course wins 100 % of the time.

Reason is that the side which is behind has to "catch up" with the side which is ahead.

So next time you play, just look at the first 4 cards, and if you bet Banker and Banker has a 2 and a 3 total of 5, and Player has a 4 and a 3, total of 7, get ready to chalk up another frustrating baccarat loss.

If you would like to really beat bac, try to determine which side will be ahead after the first 4 cards and you will win  between 65% and 100% of your bets,,,,,,assuming the casino doesn't throw you out first.

Of course, that's easier said than done.

Thanks for the definitions.

Can you post a few examples of how you decide where to place your bets ....not sure how you bet from the example you gave in this thread.

What is the definition of a zone and a super zone ?

Here is how you can predict if the Player will get an 8 or 9 on the first card.......and let you  win millions playing baccarat

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/04/sorting-out-the-law-behind-phil-ivey-s-edge-sorting-debacle-18054.htm

Be careful when using any system based on these bankroll charts.

In the second chart you could just have easily started using the system when the bankroll was at 1000 units and then went down to 400 units for a 600 unit drawdown loss.

Most important stat in these charts in the maximum drawdown you would have incurred....not how high the bankroll went.

Would you have kept on playing this method after a 600 unit drawdown ?