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Offline NoobieRay

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3 COL LCD
« on: May 16, 2019, 09:25:32 am »
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  • Hello Ray, welcome to the board, I'm sure Victor will be pleased with a new member.

    Not in Singapore by any chance, I've played few years ago.

    Glad you understood the concept, not can be bothered.  Don't worry out your English, I've spent over 10 years talking to Chinese people at the Baccarat tables who can't speak English and I don't speak any Chinese other than a few swear word in Cantonese.

    Yes I do consider myself experienced, but wouldn't go as far to say I own the game, it is random and we are still human when we are under pressure and lose our composure occasionally.

    MM is King because we are trying to do exactly that, win money.  If your bet selection sucks, you need to know what pattern you actual lose against. Single Banks, Guessing??  If you can identify what it is you lose against, then you can guesstimate the frequency.

    Glad you found the board, invite your friends here, or have all your Chinese friends pool their money together together and fly me out and we can negotiate Haha..

    Hey everyone greetings! Rainy day today. :)

    Oh gosh.. u even predicted my location lol! Casino must hv a damn hard time winning yr chips...
    Mbs or rws u've played?
    U won't face much heat here even when winning alot, no one distub u.

    How we usually bet here? As u know it already, see streaks we follow. Win some lose some, or lose more. See ping pong chops, we chop. See twos, we play twos. Problem is when we lay our 1st bet, it switches. Ok damn, then wat now.... >:(
    Stupid asians doesn't hv any clue, ok ya i know lol. :scared:
    This game is like a slots machine placed on the table.

    And lugi, below is sentence mentioned by u from previous posts.
    If no mistaken, i believe its something to do with bet selection.
    I understand 3col. But wats 3COL LCD? If i never ask, i will never know.
    So i hope u will able to extend some time explain abit on this.

    U mentioned "however you need to look at what exactly are causing those 3L's, these are 33% of any three streak, given all the possible patterns that Baccarat throws at us, that is one bloody small losing window."

    "I suppose the key here to a degree is the bet selection believe it or not. If you were playing something like 3COL LCD you expect to hit 3L about 3 or 4 times per shoe, however you need to look at what exactly are causing those 3L's, these are 33% of any three streak, given all the possible patterns that Baccarat throws at us, that is one bloody small losing window."

    Ok in the meantime pls keep winning, thks. :cheer:

    Cheers.
    Ray


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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #1 on: May 16, 2019, 10:21:22 am »
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  • I've been to both MBS and RWS,

    I couldn't stand MBS, no pen or paper at the tables, no where to sit unless you were gambling,  even the closed tables, had a sign which said, "table closed, do not sit".

    Maybe for just a few minutes you want to relax. RWC was better, I've never seen a casino so big, down the back around the side, it's like another two casinos.  A bloody huge place, I got told off a few times for sitting down at the tables watching the girl show, then you have the cops coming in with guns, that was a new experience, along with having to show ID to get out the place.

    So what is 3 Col LCD?

    It's not a winning system, but removes some of the guess work, doesn't matter if the shoe is choppy or streaky, however I strongly suggest on a Streaky shoe switch to FLD (follow the last decision), when streaks end, switch back to 3Col-LCD.

    It loses to 33% of any given streak of 3 and wins against 66% of 3 streaks and everything else.

    It runs like this;

    Record decisions using columns of 3 (no-bet 1st three hands).

    Whatever the he last decision of the prior column, is the one you bet for the next column until you snare a win, then you no-bet the remainder of the column.

    So f we have something like this;

    B-
    P-
    B-  < you will bet B for the next column, stopping after any win.

    When any streak of 3 occurs, if you play around with this, you will notice if has to start at the top of column, and only at the start of the column.  If it starts in position 2 or 3, then you will still not lose 3 bets. A streak of 4 starting at position 1 (top of the column, you win the 4th placed bet.  Hence why it only loses to 33% of a given streak of 3, 66% of the time, it's ok.

    The problem is, when a shoe goes like this.

    B-P-B
    B-P-B
    B-P-B  YOU HAVE NOW T LOST 6 BETS IN A ROW

    And it you play as much as me, it is just a matter of time before you get hit.

    Usually it is streaky shoes that cause issues, so a switch to FLD is recommended.

    I've got better options than this, such as only losing to 14% of any given streak of 5.  I see this lose every couple of shoes while playing online, it's crazy, really really crazy. I've even played around with 3Col LCD, to reduce the 33% by half, or to narrow it further 14% of a 3 streak, or at one stage I tried 11% of a 3 streak and still bloody lost, it's madness, it really is. Sounds great in theory, but just doesn't work long term.

    You should expect to lose 3 in a row once per shoe, sometimes you don't, sometimes it's much worse.

    I've tried everything to dodge the back to back streaks of 3's that land on position 1 of a column, using columns of 6.

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    If you are going to play 3COL LCD, you would be better off using 6COL's to break up the inevitable 3 streaks.

    So normal 3COL LCD would look like this;

    PPBB
    PPBB
    BBPB < with the bottom row indicating which side to bet for next 3 hands

    6COL 2x 3LCD would look like this (same hands);

    PB
    PB
    BP  < with bottom line indicating which side to bet
    PB
    PB
    BB < with bottom line indicating which side to bet

    This naturally breaks up pesky repeating 3 streaks, but you still have a nemesis pattern.

    6COL 2 x 3LCD will lose less often, however it can be frustrating when you hit 3L knowing if you were recording via 3COL's you would not have lost, you just have to manage that aspect as best you can.

     If you have a shoe with a mixture of chops and doubles, then this cleans up within 3 bets.

    Here is a sample shoe (click to expand)

    13704-0

    If you're smart, when a shoe is overtly choppy, you might as well switch to 3col-OLCD, which I'll leave for another time.



     
    Maths is great like that.  Once it's been proven that no method exists to do what you claim, it's not necessary to go through the details of your system to prove that it doesn't work.  You claim that it does something which can be proven impossible, therefore your claim is false. The details don't matter.

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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 04:06:48 am »
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  • Lugi, thks for the response, and for your time.

    I agree Rws is more relaxing for me also. Yes, it goes real deep inside.
    Mbs is nearer for me, travelling to Rws might take another 30-40 mins for me because i take public transport.
    During april, the entrance fee for locals have been raised by 50%.
    So its $150 per 24hrs entry. The moment i stepped in, I'm at -6. Ok thks. :applause:
    Annual pass at $3k.

    There used to hv pens n papers on tables in Mbs, but maybe due to inconsiderate behaviour, they were left all over the place, n the rapid machines. Cleaners hv a hard time. there's always a desk somewhere among the slots machines, tats where we can find pen n paper now.

    Yeah, cops n security forces patrol almost every corner of this island.
    Trains, malls, housing estates, food centres, etc.

    So i think i figured out wat LCD stands for. Last column's decision if no mistaken. Haha
    So It can catch streaks, chops, twos and loses to streaks of 3 of either one side only.
    We stopped after a win, right Lugi? Wait for the next one.
    And loses to PPPBBBPPP, loses 6 bets in row. ONLY IF it smacks n lands exactly in our columns.
    This col method at least provide me with some guidelines. Instead of guessing trends.
    And we don't hv to bet every hands. 8)

    On bad days, the nemesis keep hunting us down. This we can't control. So i must practice yr labby string method also, on fun money. >:D

    You see Lugi, because i know it takes time n effort for u typing n explaining 3COL LCD n 6COL, and making sure we understand yr method, so i sincerely say thank you to u, appreciate much.
    Any further input from u, i definitely be following.

    Keep winning guys.

    Cheers.
    Ray

    Ps: in the sample shoe, i discovered a small mistake at 6th column, just pointing out. No worries, everything else already make sense.


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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #3 on: May 17, 2019, 04:20:30 pm »
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  • Ps: in the sample shoe, i discovered a small mistake at 6th column, just pointing out. No worries, everything else already make sense.

    Well spotted. 

    Glad you easily understood it.  I've sent you a more robust option, that reduces that 33% down to 14%.

    When it comes to Baccarat, it not to difficult to design bet selections that hardly ever fail.  The problem is, being able to design a money management approach to fit the bet selection.  I put together such a system few years ago in Australia, using dual progressions, winning about 34 consecutive sessions and made a lot of money in the process.  It came to a halt when the said casino changed certain aspects of the shoe preparation.



    Maths is great like that.  Once it's been proven that no method exists to do what you claim, it's not necessary to go through the details of your system to prove that it doesn't work.  You claim that it does something which can be proven impossible, therefore your claim is false. The details don't matter.

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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #4 on: May 17, 2019, 09:17:40 pm »
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    Hello Ray, welcome to the board

    Ditto!!

    Welcome to the betting study crew... :nod:

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    Indeed! Thanks being here Ray.

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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #5 on: May 18, 2019, 04:59:17 am »
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  • Well spotted. 

    Glad you easily understood it.  I've sent you a more robust option, that reduces that 33% down to 14%.

    When it comes to Baccarat, it not to difficult to design bet selections that hardly ever fail.  The problem is, being able to design a money management approach to fit the bet selection.  I put together such a system few years ago in Australia, using dual progressions, winning about 34 consecutive sessions and made a lot of money in the process.  It came to a halt when the said casino changed certain aspects of the shoe preparation.

    I agree Lugi. Problem is how many punches we can withstand before we catch the wins.
    Then boils down to mm again. So I'm glad i found something here.

    If progression goes too deep, the B tax hurts.
    Like in Mbs, they Fabulous 4 Bac. Banker wins on 4 points, it's a push. Player side wins on 4, half payment.
    Even though it's a $25 to $500k spread, don't think anyone wants to play a progression on tat.
    Its even worse than B6 Bac.


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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #6 on: May 18, 2019, 05:06:10 am »
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  • Ditto!!

    Welcome to the betting study crew... :nod:

    Indeed! Thanks being here Ray.

    Productivity is in the air!!  :thumbsup:

    Hey there VLS.

    Thks for welcoming.

    1 question for u sir. Just want to clarify.
    I discovered my avatar is being changed n the personal text too.
    And i didn't do it myself LOL!

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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #7 on: May 18, 2019, 05:18:09 pm »
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  • I discovered my avatar is being changed n the personal text too.

    See there is the 'a' and the 'd' missing from the word 'and' above.

    FYI there is a lag with typing, sometimes it skips letters or entire words that you have typed. So it pays to read your post before selecting post.. You might type the word "have" but it is shows up as "hv".  Best to proof read  :thumbsup:

    You can upload your own avatar, otherwise one is automatically assigned I believe.
    Maths is great like that.  Once it's been proven that no method exists to do what you claim, it's not necessary to go through the details of your system to prove that it doesn't work.  You claim that it does something which can be proven impossible, therefore your claim is false. The details don't matter.

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    Re: 3 COL LCD
    « Reply #8 on: May 18, 2019, 05:27:14 pm »
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  • I agree Lugi. Problem is how many punches we can withstand before we catch the wins.
    Then boils down to mm again. So I'm glad i found something here.

    If progression goes too deep, the B tax hurts.
    Like in Mbs, they Fabulous 4 Bac. Banker wins on 4 points, it's a push. Player side wins on 4, half payment.
    Even though it's a $25 to $500k spread, don't think anyone wants to play a progression on tat.
    Its even worse than B6 Bac.

    Money talks unfortunately, Baccarat IMO is a money game, plain and simple.  The more you have at your disposal, when used wisely the more robust you are.

    Get hit too much, then you simply step up through the gears, recoup and step back down.  Best if we don't have to do this, but sometimes it's necessary.  So if you're betting $25 and you find yourself 20 or more units in the hole, then step to to betting $100 units, you only need 5 to recoup, should be easier than trying to grind back 20 or so units. Once done step back down to $25 units, alternatively go home broke.

    On a personal level, IF I was ever in a casino with a $10k bankroll, no way am I playing $100 units,. This is exactly how the casino wants you to play, they can get stuffed. $10k is only 100 units, yet it is 1000 units at $10, or a miserly 400 units at $25.  I much prefer to obtain small wins every night forever, than go for any major big one, I would get there in the end regardless, just takes longer, my way is more likely to succeed than the former.  Play low with maximum confidence.

    I might end up betting $100 and more, might engage in some gear changes , but was never playing $100 units to begin with.

    Whatever you think a casino what or expects you to do, then do the exact opposite.   

     
    MM is King 
    Maths is great like that.  Once it's been proven that no method exists to do what you claim, it's not necessary to go through the details of your system to prove that it doesn't work.  You claim that it does something which can be proven impossible, therefore your claim is false. The details don't matter.