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[Albalaha]

@Law,
       Will your 65 step labby or 50 step labby (pick any one you like) clear entire 1600 spins with a net win?


@ Maestro,
            Same question for your suggested progression.




We may reverse engineer any given/known session and create a progression that can beat it but that is not workable in random sessions.
           If any of your progression beats this 1600 spins entirely, I can give another similar case and if they win both, everybody will admire that.

[TheLaw]

@Law,
       Will your 65 step labby or 50 step labby (pick any one you like) clear entire 1600 spins with a net win?


@ Maestro,
            Same question for your suggested progression.




We may reverse engineer any given/known session and create a progression that can beat it but that is not workable in random sessions.
           If any of your progression beats this 1600 spins entirely, I can give another similar case and if they win both, everybody will admire that.

1600 Spins challenge completed (note that I just started each new game with next spin-if someone would like to play the opposite w/l record, be my guest)




33 Standard Labby with 1/2 modification (just bet every other spin) beats #1512 Spins (stopped due to #200 spins needed for another game)


Bankroll : $1000


Win total : +550 units


Largest Bet : -$795


Max Draw-down : -$745


***note that I played this as a standard Labby as described in earlier posts with 1/2 mod - so all Martingale scenarios were played through without adjustments (adding lines)-hence the massive bet and dd from game #7***


Results :


#142----+ 50 units win end of game #2 ( game ended first starting with 2nd spin)


#189----+ 50 units win end of game #1 (starting with bet #1 and then every other spin)


#346----+50 units win end of game #3 - largest bet = $98 - dd=-$29


#505----+50 units win - end of game #4 - lb=$123 - dd=-$31


#640---+50 units win - end of game #5 - lb=$180 - dd=-$150


#817---+50 units win - end of game #6 - lb=$129 - dd=-$202


#948---+50 units win - end of game #7 - lb=$795 - dd=-$745


#1099---+50 units win - end of game #8 - lb=$15 - dd=-$16


#1224---+50 units win - end of game #9 - lb=$82 - dd= (less than 10)


#1351---+50 units win - end of game #10 - lb=$18 - dd=-(less than 10)


#1512---+50 units win - end of game #11 - lb=$50 - dd=--$30---last game (200 spins needed for game)


**spin results file attached

[Albalaha]

@ Law,
        Incredible stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Can someone please show this step by step, preferably in an excel sheet? The given session was the worst EC case that I got in a million spin analysis that lasts for 1600 spins.  Beating this successfully means we can beat the worst stretch of an EC that should come in a million spin (little worse is possible too but this one was standard example of long lasting and irritating variance). I can't understand as explained or exhibited in the text file but it is serious.
                      If someone does this step by step, I will put another similar session. If that gets beaten too, with the same methodology, we need a tracker of this way of playing.
              Great job after a long time. I hope calculations have no fault.

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

The theory of this type of betting is, bet every increasing increment, to avoiding long losing streaks,
...since   win and lose, will always at nearly 50/50 chance.
After a long spins, the profit /loss, result will always near equilibrium, meaning if u play FLATBET, u either lose or win only a few chips!
Given this kind of result, any labby strategy will win, as the   WIN/lose ratio will always more than 1/3.

quote:
[just bet spin 1,2,4,8,16 when you go to spin 16 start count again 1,2,4,8,16 and so on ... till the end....you should get "w"235/"l"265 it should work for any sequence]

Bet spin number 1, then bet spin number 2, then 4, then 8, then 16, so on till positive, and RESTART!....Bet NEXT spin AS number 1, then bet spin number 2, then 4, then 8, then 16, so on till positive, and RESTART!

Thus u avoid being trapped in the long losing streaks, and since the probability= near 50/50, then the result will always nearly equilibrium, win alittle or lose a little and with a godly progression, this betselection a good choice.

[Albalaha]

Bet spin number 1, then bet spin number 2, then 4, then 8, then 16, so on till positive, and RESTART!....Bet NEXT spin AS number 1, then bet spin number 2, then 4, then 8, then 16, so on till positive, and RESTART!

How doing this guarantees any benefit over playing all spins? Since we do not know the future, it could go opposite too. Like after trying fourth failure at 8th spin, there may be many wins from 9th to 15th and a loss at 16th. It would be like  firing randomly while blindfolding yourself expecting better hits than with open eyes.

[maestro]

see attached excel..with your numbers betting high..you can change formulas depend on what EC betting and how many spin so you can get count of <w> and <l>  right..hope it helps...it is not reverse eng...

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

see attached excel..with your numbers betting high..you can change formulas depend on what EC betting and how many spin so you can get count of <w> and <l>  right..hope it helps...it is not reverse eng...

Hi Maestro,
Since I am spreadsheet illiterate,
may u please tell,
how is the averages, of
say, 1000spins of any EC result.

1]worst win/lose ratio ever encountered.
2]longest losing streaks count.
3]longest winning streaks count.

if the win/lose ratio is good, and the losing streaks very short,
then this bet selection good.
thanks in advance.

[TheLaw]

@ Law,
        Incredible stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Can someone please show this step by step, preferably in an excel sheet? The given session was the worst EC case that I got in a million spin analysis that lasts for 1600 spins.  Beating this successfully means we can beat the worst stretch of an EC that should come in a million spin (little worse is possible too but this one was standard example of long lasting and irritating variance). I can't understand as explained or exhibited in the text file but it is serious.
                      If someone does this step by step, I will put another similar session. If that gets beaten too, with the same methodology, we need a tracker of this way of playing.
              Great job after a long time. I hope calculations have no fault.

Hey Albalaha,


I'll do a bet-by-bet breakdown of the worst sequence (dd-745) when I get a chance in the next 48hrs.


The txt file just show 11 games one after another using the standard 33-line Labby, with the beginning and end of each game with details.


The 33-line Labby is simple :


-write out 33 lines
-next bet is always just the first line (not a combination of lines)
-always add losses to all lines starting with the last line
-only bet every other spin


That's it!


From this test, it appears that there may be a maximum draw-down that is possible mathematically with over 150 spins and a large enough Labby.


The worst sequence, for instance, had another 4 losses after reaching a $159 bet (hence the large draw-down).

[TheLaw]

Please note that I am making some adjustments to the system, so please hold off on any further comments until I post the new information (should be up in 24hrs) - Thanks!

[TheLaw]

Final Update : Failure : Labby 33 (bet every other spin)

After reviewing the spins, I found an error in the final few bets of the worst sequence (game #7) that brought the total draw-down to over $5000 busting both the bankroll and table limit. Although my error only effected the last couple of spins, and thus did not effect the outcome of the other games, it still indicates an overall failure of the system.

I subsequently tried to adjust the betting to insure against Martingale by capping bets at $100 and adding lines after each loss, but found this to ultimately be a losing strategy, as more and more lines meant imminent failure.

Thanks to Maestro, Albalaha, and GLC for their help with this system - Much appreciated!!!

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

Hi
Since the bet selection quite ok,...


I think the LABBY strat from one is SAFER!!!
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Below I do a LABBY start from a single 1

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1st spins. Lose

start labby as
  [1]

bet 1=lose=-1=-1
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2nd. =Lose   2nd bet

[11]
bet 2=lose=-2=-3

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4th spin. =W   [3rd bet]

[112]
bet3=win=3=0

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8th.= Win  [4th bet]

[1]
bet 1=win=1=+1 win, reset.[total win=+1]

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16th. =L [5th bet]

start labby as [1]

bet 1=lose=-1=-1

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17. L1

[11]
bet 2=lose=-2=-3

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18. L2

[112]
bet 3=lose=-3=-6

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20. L4

[1123]

bet 4=lose=-4=-10


24. W8

[11234]

bet5=win=+5=-5

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32. L16

[ 123 ]

bet 4=lose=-4=-9

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33. L1

[ 1234 ]

bet 5=-5=-14
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34. L2

[ 12345 ]

bet 6=lose=-6=-20
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36. W4

[ 123456 ]

bet 7=win=+7=-13

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40. L8

[  2345  ]

bet 7=lose=-7=-20

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48. W16

[  23457  ]

bet 9=win=+9=-11

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49. W1

[   345   ]

bet 8=win=+8=-3

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50. W2

[    4    ]

bet 4=win=+4=+1  reset. total=win=2
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52. W4[count as4

[1]
bet 1=win=+1.  reset. total=win=3


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56. L8

[1]
bet 1=lose=-1=-1

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64. W[16]

[11]
bet2=win=+2=+1.  reset. total=win=4

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65. L1

[1]
bet 1=lose=-1=-1

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66. W2

[11]
bet2=win=+2=+1.  reset. total=win=5

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68. L4

[1]
bet 1=lose=-1=-1
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72. L8

[11]
bet 2=lose=-2=-3

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80. W16

[112]
bet 3=lose=-4=-7

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81. L1

[1123]
bet 4=lose=-4=-11

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82. L2
[11234]

bet 5=lose=-5=-16

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84. L4

[112345]
bet 6=lose=-6=--22
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88. L8

[1123456]

bet 7=lose=-7=-29

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96. L16

[11234567]
bet 8=lose=-8=-37

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97. L1

[112345678]
bet 9=lose=-9=-46

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98. W2

[1123456789]
bet 10=win=10=-36


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100. W4

[ 12345678 ]
bet 9=win=9=-27

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104. L8

[  234567  ]
bet 9=lose=-9=-36

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112. L16

[  2345679  ]
bet 11=lose=-11=-47


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113. W1

[  2345679,11  ]
bet 13=win=13=-34
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114. W2

[  345679  ]

  bet 12==win=12=-22

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116. L4

[   4567   ]
  bet 11=lose=-11=-33


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120. W8

[   4567,11   ]

bet 15==win=15=-18



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128. L16

[    567    ]

   bet 12=lose=-12=-30



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129. L1

[ 567,12]

   bet 17=lose=-17=-47

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130. L2

[ 567,12,17]

bet 22=lose=-22=-69
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132. L4

[ 567,12,17,22]

bet 27=lose=-27=-96

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136. W8

[ 567,12,17,22,27]

bet32=win=-64

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144.L16

[  6,7,12,17,22, ]

bet28=lose=-92

and so on....

[Albalaha]

@Maestro,
         222 Wins vs 263 losses. Don't you think that it is merely a coincidence to get such numbers? Do you expect similar counts in another worse session?