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[esoito]

Basic Premise:   The majority of systems on this forum are capable of delivering 1 unit profit.

(If you disagree there's no point in reading any further)


A Grail:  Pick, say, half a dozen systems/methods that appeal to you.

Play each in turn, or in conjunction, stopping on 1 unit profit.

Rinse and repeat for how ever many sessions you can bear.

Whether or not you flat bet or use a progression is up to you. Perhaps choose a mix of methods.

Diversification is important. All the eggs in one playing basket makes your capital particularly vulnerable.


Rationale: So from this mixed strategy you can see that A Grail is made up of different methods working in conjunction, or working sequentially.

Notice how the definite article The is carefully avoided. There is more than just one grail.

So search not for The Grail. Instead it's more realistic to search for A Grail. 


And now your search has ended. Perhaps...

[Mike]

esoito,
Have you actually tried this yourself? 

[Albalaha]

When none of the methods have the potential to "win more and lose less" but rather opposite is the reality, how can they get a grail together? They can rather make, "method from hell" than "a holy grail".
         Don't take this otherwise, please. 

[Mike]

Actually, esoito is correct about diversification. It's a basic principle of any speculative venture that you don't put all your eggs in one basket. I'm not saying that it would amount to a grail, but it may help to reduce the roller-coaster effect and put you more on an even-keel, maybe even to the extent that some kind of progression becomes viable for those without balls of steel.

[plolp]

Basic Premise:   The majority of systems on this forum are capable of delivering 1 unit profit.
if this is the case, why switch methods?
I know of no method that can ensure certainty of winning a bet.
which one?

[Mike]

The key word here is capable. Any system is capable of delivering 1 u profit, but none can guarantee 1 u profit. You might start losing from the get-go and never recover. It does happen, and more often than you might think.

[greenguy]

You might start losing from the get-go and never recover. It does happen, and more often than you might think.

You might, so if you do you switch.


This can be very helpful where you use methods with short burst loops, or trigger cycles of no more than a handful of bets.

[esoito]

esoito,
Have you actually tried this yourself? 

LOL....Of course! Why else would I bother to post it?

I even do it with a program I wrote for my own use only. I call it 5-in-1. I'm currently adding two more routines so soon it will be become...wait for it....yes, 7-in-1.

And quite correct, Greenguy. Switching is part of the process.

[Leapyfrog]

When none of the methods have the potential to "win more and lose less" but rather opposite is the reality, how can they get a grail together?

Sometimes Albalaha, the sum of the parts are stronger than the individual. I have seen in this forum members reporting success from similar strategies.

Max - the key take away for me here is the Diversification. Diversification is an important aspect of any investment which has a risk element attached to it. Diversification could mean investing in different disciplines or within the same discipline adapting to different ways of working either within a specified period of time or across time intervals. This could translate to playing different bet selections, money management within a session, across sessions so on and so forth. If there is any one who is relying on finding an edge to beat the wheel, then diversification is one of the areas to look into. Of course, there are those whose preference is money management, but even for them they should have a go at diversification from a money management perspective.

[6th-sense]

probably one of the sanest ideas on here....i told stef a long time back that the bot should include some mechanism to pick from and or use sheets that you have ie systems  just to win 1 unit and switch to next system...yes some may lose from the onset....but rarely...a good bank of methods to choose from is a good idea...there are a lot of flat betting systems that waver up and down the start balance wherein they could stop in plus a few units and switched to another method...the reality is that the bot needs 1000,s spins to do this...by hand it would be not worth it.......great idea from my point of view 

[Dr. Mabuse]

Sharp cats  do NOT attack a casino with only one game.
Switching roulette systems  does not mean anything just shifting numbers.

Three  games  like  Roulette, Baccarat, and PaiGow  poker would be a good selection from the tool chest.



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[esoito]

Switching roulette systems  does not mean anything just shifting numbers.

I disagree.  And so does my betting capital! 

Switching systems with my software means slowly -- but steadily -- shifting numbers up...and up...and up...in my accounts.

One unit profit. Then move on to the next.

Disclaimer:  Like I mentioned before -- the software I wrote is for my use only. It's NOT for sale, so this thread is not some sort of sales-bait. [I chose to write the program because I can, and because it makes life easier.]

Instead, this thread is an attempt to feed the butterflies that flit from forum to forum looking for grail-nectar.

They won't need software to operate this approach.

[greenguy]

There's nothing new about this idea.

Grap a bunch of systems then play each in turn or concurrently...

Or, grab a bunch of systems then play the intersecting, or crossover numbers.

Even, grab a bunch of systems then eliminate the intersecting, or crossover numbers.

...And the list goes on.

The difficult part is knowing how and why to switch, when is it worth switching and when is it not. Something we can never truly know 100%.

Changing systems after 1 unit profit is not always going to be successful, or as easy as that. There will be occasions when the current system of choice never attains the 1 unit needed to trigger the switch. What then? Bring in a stop loss? What then? Switch to a new system and go for 1 unit profit to slowly recover the previous stop loss amount? Who's to say the original system couldn't recover the stop loss of its own, or faster than the rest? I mean, it's in your team so it must be good, right?

Switch after 1 unit profit seems too short-sighted for any long term edge. It's just another simplistic 'hit & run' mechanism.

Roulette never ends – you can't run. You can't run because roulette never ends and eventually you will run right into it again.

One good and stable method of bet selection that can hold its own and break even over lengthy time is enough foundation to build upon. Once you have that (not an easy ask, BTW) then it's time to study forms of diversification within the break even system. It could be on/off switches, looping switches, scaling switches, limiting switches or empowering switches. The switches could be selection based or MM based or both.

One thing's for sure, it's going to take more than one switch to squeeze an edge out of whatever you throw at roulette.

IMO.

[esoito]

Yes Greenguy, the devil is usually in the details!

Those wanting to try this approach will, of course, have to take into account several or all of the things you've raised. And more.

They will have to work out the finer points for themselves, just as I have. And just as others who already use this approach have had to.

Short-term gain? Long-term profits? Some want one; some want the other.

Either way, searchers now have a spoon but they must now work out how best to feed themselves.

You raised excellent and valid points to help with the feeding. I addressed most of those in my own software.

And of those points, setting stop losses is crucial, in my conservative opinion -- just as it is with any form of diversified financial activities.

[wannawin]

Disclaimer:  Like I mentioned before -- the software I wrote is for my use only. It's NOT for sale, so this thread is not some sort of sales-bait. [I chose to write the program because I can, and because it makes life easier.]

Why not put it up for sale? With so much systems scammers selling their systems right and left, it would be a breath of fresh air having a software in which you can trust. You can be sure it would be a welcome addition to the systems offering online.