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[Bally6354]

When it all boils down to it, the only way to keep the naysayers quiet (for a little while at least) is to prove you can win.

The only way to do that is in a fashion that they can understand and can't really dispute.

The answer lies in statistics. There is a concept in statistics called ''Chance of Randomness'' (COR). This is an exact statistical measurement of how 'lucky' a series of events are.

The COR figure is derived by computing the Standard Deviation of an event. The Standard Deviation measures how much better the results are compared to random.

A +4.0 Standard Deviation represents a COR of 31,574. There is almost no question that skill was involved if someone performs at that level. Especially on their first attempt.

Myself and a few others it seems were quite happy to take the test on the in-house game on the other forum before it vanished. So I will challenge myself against the live wheel at Dublinbet and post up the results.

My play will comprise of an even money bet. However that's not playing the outside E/C bets. I said above that I don't believe you can win consistently playing those.

My idea of an E/C bet is a combination of Streets, Splits and Single numbers which will comprise of no more than an E/C bet. (sometimes less)

I will start on Monday and dedicate a few hours each day to playing. My play is in short bursts because of the taxing nature of tracking and analysing the permanence looking for bets to place. I will achieve the minimum COR requirement of +4.0 standard deviations as mentioned above.

Naturally, I don't mind someone checking my account when I have finished to make sure everything was above board.

cheers

[sqzbox]

That will be really interesting Bally - I'll look forward to your results. And thanks for taking the time to do it. I had not heard of this COR measure before so I have learned something new - love it when that happens!

[XXVV]

Outstanding idea Bally, and full marks for your initiative.


Should I add, Good Luck! (lol)


I will speak with colleagues to see if we can establish a COR sample also, and strike paydirt ( to really mix metaphors).


XXVV

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

Is this a one-off test or can you do it every time?


@ BEAT-THE-WHEEL,


What do you mean by divisor, and what is "HP"?


So are you saying that if there at least 69 wins in 200 spins then you will always end in profit?


I don't believe it but I'm willing to test it.

Hi Mike,
Divisor=Lanky's Divisor.
HP=HP Johnson .

Since worst ever world record=69/200
Divisor, make it 1/69, trigger included.
HP, make it [137zero + 1], since 69x38, thus the 138string will closed when 69th win hit.
Not playable at BM casino thou...

Please test, as I am Computer-illiterate

[esoito]

COR blimey...   Here's a useful link:

http://betselection.cc/wheelwatcher/cor-chance-of-randomness/

[peleus]

To me, it's just plain impossible. These things are designed for players to lose. Maybe gain some but definitely a big time lose.

[Mr J]

Previous post..... I don't agree. I think roulette was designed for the idiots (such as) in order to play lucky numbers, birthdays etc.

As long as 99.5% of roulette players toss their chips on ANY stupid numbers for ANY stupid reason, the casino will laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh!!!!

Ken

[Albalaha]

Ken,
        Even if someone picks  one or two numbers to bet by the best logic, it may still have the same fate as of selecting one/two fixed numbers, in any session. No betselection will give you win in continuous and flat betting. It is mainly about "how much", "when" and "why" than "what" to bet.

[Turner]

Previous post..... I don't agree. I think roulette was designed for the idiots (such as) in order to play lucky numbers, birthdays etc.

As long as 99.5% of roulette players toss their chips on ANY stupid numbers for ANY stupid reason, the casino will laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh!!!!

Ken

I was in the casino once, playing something clever and IMO...a edgy betselection...getting nowhere. As I played, my birthday (22) hit like this 22,22,22,13,22


My lucky number is 13....lol I didn't have 22 or 13


True story.

[Mike]

Bally,


I appreciate the gesture, and looking forward to your results.

Naturally, I don't mind someone checking my account when I have finished to make sure everything was above board.

I'd like to volunteer to be that someone. 

[Gizmotron]

System or method, same thing.
Guessing or feeling and mechanical system/method, same thing.
If you can not out guess 50/50 then is no better then mechanical methods/systems.

I have no trouble guessing at 100% , until the first loss. What's truly funny to me is that you don't  know why. Perhaps someone will feel sorry for you and clue you in.

[Sputnik]

I have no trouble guessing at 100% , until the first loss. What's truly funny to me is that you don't  know why. Perhaps someone will feel sorry for you and clue you in.

Yes you can guess but you can not out guess 50/50 - if you claim you can do - then you lie and no need to feel sorry for me :-)

[Gizmotron]

Yes you can guess but you can not out guess 50/50 - if you claim you can do - then you lie and no need to feel sorry for me :-)

I guess you have told me. So what exactly do you expect to get from these gambling forums? ... please don't let it be that you are here to help poor us. Someone will need to open up a spandex shop.

[Sputnik]

So what exactly do you expect to get from these gambling forums? ...

Well i don't read and expect i will learn from you and others like you, i just want to make that clear.
From 2007 to 2014 so have you only post empty claims with empty words, nonsense, this because you are a "hint guy".
This means you never give explanation with example with clear writing about methods, you just come with worthless hint's that helps no body.

Sometimes i find some interesting ideas, but that is rare.
I don't hang around for a holy grail or any kind of super method.
So i hang around to spend time with others who share same interest as me.

[esoito]

Moderator's Comment

@Sputnik and Gizmotron

Both of you count to 10,  and then simply agree to disagree and leave it at that, and not wind each other up any further.

Thank you.