Can anyone recommend a method to play double-streets?
Right now I do studies regarding thirds in this position. Expecting 4 in every 6 spins. If you have a method that is based on this phenomenon then it is better. No matter if your recommendation requires big progressions.
Thank you very much.
Anyone have statistics on what happens in the following sets then given that exactly 4 of the 6 show. How many of these 4 double-streets appear in the second 6 draws in the long run. From next 7 to 12?
Is there a program to present these statistics already? I am seeing interesting things that could lead to a system but I need statistics on them.
Hi Wannawin,
What exactly are you looking for? I have been betting double streets for many years. One of the methods I use involves 'seeing' 4 DS.
Unfortunately I do all my testing manually, using previous records selected at random.
If i had a better idea of what you were looking at I might be able to help. you can also reach me at Email: hpjosey(~)wemail.co.za [mod]~ = @[/mod]
Regards Harry
Hello friend, thank you very much for the helping hand. Please let me know if you have statistics on relations in consecutive sets where 4 double-streets are expected. Example:
Spin 1-6: 4 double spun streets. Marked.
Spin 7-12: 2 double streets from marked group.
In many consecutive sets. Maybe you have experience with this type of game? I am just considering this game for exploration. it would be ideal if a forum developer can provide us a program to automate the analysis. A good progression may give something.
Quote from: wannawin on May 22, 2014, 12:48:54 AMit would be ideal if a forum developer can provide us a program to automate the analysis
Hey, weren't you learning how to code in BASIC? This is a wonderful opportunity to try!
I'm willing assist you
IF there is motivation from your part.
(i.e. not making the program
for you; instead helping you make it).
Hi Wannawin,
I tried betting any 4 DS that appeared in less than 6 spins. Despite a 97% suss rate in 3 spins, I couldn't quite make it work. It needed 2 3 bet stages and the progression was too brutal. You need a very good trigger to bet 24 numbers.
I found betting the 2 sleepers or the 1st 2 of the 4 to be more profitable. I am still not quit sure what you are looking for. ie. The idea behind tracking the 4 from group 1 into group 2. I need a better idea of your objective.
Harry
Quote from: HarryJ on May 22, 2014, 01:20:38 PM
Hi Wannawin,
I tried betting any 4 DS that appeared in less than 6 spins. Despite a 97% suss rate in 3 spins, I couldn't quite make it work. It needed 2 3 bet stages and the progression was too brutal. You need a very good trigger to bet 24 numbers.
I found betting the 2 sleepers or the 1st 2 of the 4 to be more profitable. I am still not quit sure what you are looking for. ie. The idea behind tracking the 4 from group 1 into group 2. I need a better idea of your objective.
Harry
My goal is to know long term if it is possible to take advantage of consecutive groups recurrences.
We all know that while there are a group of sleepers another group is emerging. I want to know how often the group that stands out in the first cycle of 6 sets (4 for the thirds law) recurrences in the next cycle.
My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics if anyone has them or a program that allows me to carry them out myself.
Quote from: VLS on May 22, 2014, 12:29:28 PM
Hey, weren't you learning how to code in BASIC? This is a wonderful opportunity to try!
I'm willing assist you IF there is motivation from your part.
(i.e. not making the program for you; instead helping you make it).
Sorry, it is hopeless. I tried with various programming languages to always fall on a point where I am not able to do any better. My head is spinning and it discouraged me many times. I stopped trying. Not everyone is meant to be programmers. Thanks for the offer though.
Quote from: wannawin on May 23, 2014, 03:53:48 PMSorry, it is hopeless. I tried with various programming languages
Walter, can you please elaborate more on the languages you tried?
It
is interesting to know what puts people off from general-purpose programming.
I have various theories which I would like to contrast.
" My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics ..."
You will find that any progression, based on this trigger, will have times when it would fail. So to succeed, you need to add a factor, a circumstance that triggers when to use the progression. Otherwise you will fall victim to the progression you wish to use. A good trigger might be when singles are dominating. Or perhaps a best time to use it are when singles are sleeping.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 28, 2014, 06:10:32 PM
" My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics ..."
You will find that any progression, based on this trigger, will have times when it would fail. So to succeed, you need to add a factor, a circumstance that triggers when to use the progression. Otherwise you will fall victim to the progression you wish to use. A good trigger might be when singles are dominating. Or perhaps a best time to use it are when singles are sleeping.
You mean something like watching the lw? The truth is that I prefer systems lately where I will not have to guess. Yes I see the patterns. If I put the patterns of a session of 100 sets I see patterns clearly. With many spins in front you can say here there are many more w's or here there are more l's. The patterns exist and I do not doubt the people that say they are watching it.
what I use is simply not achieving at a level that will bring the success that some members claim to have by guessing the patterns. Any specific information on the subject would be greatly appreciated. I could not achieve it but I am not so closed as to say that if I could not do the guessing then no one else can. This is a great topic of study if you can remove the uncertainty that surrounds it.
1. Know how to read randomness.
2. Find out what is going on in the strongest form.
3. Get actual data on the current effectiveness state.
4. Only place a bet while currently in the winning state.
a. any loss is proof that you are not in the winning state any longer.
5. Use large enough bets that two or three net wins over any losses is enough.
6. Leave the casino with your success.
It takes experience with every step. It comes down to being in a win streak to place bets, and to quit while you are ahead.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 29, 2014, 03:09:47 AM
1. Know how to read randomness.
2. Find out what is going on in the strongest form.
3. Get actualdata on the current effectiveness state.
4. Only place a bet while currently in the winning state. a. any loss is proof that you are not in the winning state any longer.
5. Use large enough bets that two or three net wins over any losses is enough.
6. Leave the casino with your success.
It takes experience with every step. It comes down to being in a win streaktoplace bets, and to quit while you are ahead.
Thank you. this deserves its own thread and hopefully could be consolidated. Are you sure you can not make a program that bet by itself? programming all possible patterns: llw, LWLW, lllw absolutely all patterns used. While patterns are active it identifies them taking advantage of all opportunities to bet.
Quote from: VLS on May 28, 2014, 12:59:54 AMcan you please elaborate more on the languages you tried?
Basic256, Python, others. it is not difficult to understand why we quit. As it goes with everything there comes a point where things get complicated and you give up.
Quote from: wannawin on May 29, 2014, 03:22:57 AM
Thank you. this deserves its own thread and hopefully could be consolidated. Are you sure you can not make a program that bet by itself? programming all possible patterns: llw, LWLW, lllw absolutely all patterns used. While patterns are active it identifies them taking advantage of all opportunities to bet.
I have changed my over all method. I'm no longer interested in grinding out agrigated wins, that take hours to reach satisfaction. I could write a pattern recognition application that targets opportunities. It only requires the identification of this single pattern, "w w w w... ." With one, two, or three maximum bets placed its easy. One of the most common streaks are any two of the six double streets sleeping for many spins in a row. I doubt that you can't find some form of a sleeping dozen in every wheel being played in any given five to ten hours not happening. It's always somewhere. I track 25 unique dozens while I search for streaks of sleepers or dominance of singles. It's enough. You don't need progression based blind betting
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 29, 2014, 04:31:16 PM
I have changed my over all method. I'm no longer interested in grinding out agrigated wins, that take hours to reach satisfaction. I could write a pattern recognition application that targets opportunities. It only requires the identification of this single pattern, "w w w w... ." With one, two, or three maximum bets placed its easy. One of the most common streaks are any two of the six double streets sleeping for many spins in a row. I doubt that you can't find some form of a sleeping dozen in every wheel being played in any given five to ten hours not happening. It's always somewhere. I track 25 unique dozens while I search for streaks of sleepers or dominance of singles. It's enough. You don't need progression based blind betting
25 dozens! must be many with double streets and streets combinations. The specific questions are: What spins window is used? In how many spins a dozen is considered as asleep? The process is waiting for w w w w and then follow it until there is an L? Then again enters standby mode until w w w w for another dozen line?
Thank you for giving a concrete form to bet. It is a pleasure to read it.
" 25 dozens!"
There are six double streets, six table based dozens, three private dozens based on wheel layout, the tens, 0 00 10 20 30, 1 11 21 31, 2 12 22 32, -- 8 18 28, 9 19 29. The Tens are easy to track with the table marquee. The others are tracked with index cards laid out like the charts in my practice software. That software is available here at no charge. It's somewhere around here.
http://betselection.cc/gizmotron/tracking-software-for-practice-real-play/msg5333/#msg5333
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 29, 2014, 05:13:03 PM
" 25 dozens!"
There are six double streets, six table based dozens, three private dozens based on wheel layout, the tens, 0 00 10 20 30, 1 11 21 31, 2 12 22 32, -- 8 18 28, 9 19 29. The Tens are easy to track with the table marquee. The others are tracked with index cards laid out like the charts in my practice software. That software is available here at no charge. It's somewhere around here.
http://betselection.cc/gizmotron/tracking-software-for-practice-real-play/msg5333/#msg5333 (http://betselection.cc/gizmotron/tracking-software-for-practice-real-play/msg5333/#msg5333)
Interesting, welcome back Gizmotron and thanks for the information. I have spent a lot of time studying your work, I could see from your previous postings that you were more interested in dozens and the bets that arose from the various set ups so I had an excel tracker made up to track the various dozen combinations; so far mine has 18 based on double streets and columns. I like the idea of the added private dozens and tens etc. and may well make the necessary additions.
Every once in a while, a dozen or two of the same double streets will sleep for 30 consecutive spins in a row.
Check this out: bet 100 on the high 18, (19-36). Bet 25 on two of the three double streets from the low 18, (1-18). If you get a high 18 spin then you get 50. If you get one of the low 18 double streets then you break even. If you get the one double street without a bet then you lose 150, same for zero.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 31, 2014, 02:49:18 PM
Every once in a while, a dozen or two of the same double streets will sleep for 30 consecutive spins in a row.
Check this out: bet 100 on the high 18, (19-36). Bet 25 on two of the three double streets from the low 18, (1-18). If you get a high 18 spin then you get 50. If you get one of the low 18 double streets then you break even. If you get the one double street without a bet then you lose 150, same for zero.
Hello mr. gizmotron
Can I ask what is the use of this bet? I can see it is a solid break even bet, and that means the only advantage to come will be in a streak of the high 18, but at those times wouldn't you be best to simply bet the high 18? I don't understand the arrangement.
Quote from: greenguy on May 31, 2014, 09:05:04 PM
Hello mr. gizmotron
Can I ask what is the use of this bet? I can see it is a solid break even bet, and that means the only advantage to come will be in a streak of the high 18, but at those times wouldn't you be best to simply bet the high 18? I don't understand the arrangement.
Here are the rounded percentages:
49% chance of winning.
32% chance of nothing happening, you get your bet back.
19% chance of losing.
This is exceptionally good when you have a single sleeping double street.
Thanks to all participants for the valuable involvement in my thread.
Hi Wannawin,
My appologies for my slow response, but personal problems often make it impossible for a quick reply.
I have never arranged my records in that way, and frankly the idea of a 6 step progression cares the pants off me!! The average repeat seems to be just over 2. No repeats is quite rare. I found one that consisted of 2 zeros and a triple. Rather unussual!!
I was getting a 97% hit rate with only 3 steps. With 6 it must be over 99.9%, but only ome really long term testing can show if it will beat the nearly 750 wins it takes to recover from a loss.
I found it best to turn the bet into 1/1 by betting the 1st 3 DS to show, or the last, and the 2 sleepers.
Best wishes Harry
Quote from: HarryJ on June 02, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Hi Wannawin,
My appologies for my slow response, but personal problems often make it impossible for a quick reply.
Best wishes Harry
No need to apologize. what matters is that you finally found the time. Much appreciated your good participation. Thank you.