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[wannawin]

Can anyone recommend a method to play double-streets?
Right now I do studies regarding thirds in this position. Expecting 4 in every 6 spins. If you have a method that is based on this phenomenon then it is better. No matter if your recommendation requires big progressions.

Thank you very much.

[wannawin]

Anyone have statistics on what happens in the following sets then given that exactly 4 of the 6 show. How many of these 4 double-streets appear in the second 6 draws in the long run. From next 7 to 12?

Is there a program to present these statistics already? I am seeing interesting things that could lead to a system but I need statistics on them.

[HarryJ]

   Hi Wannawin,
                What exactly are you looking for? I have been betting  double streets for  many years. One of the methods I use involves 'seeing' 4 DS.
      Unfortunately I do all my testing manually, using previous records selected at random.

      If i had a better idea of what you were looking at I might be able to help. you can also reach me at Email: hpjosey(~)wemail.co.za [mod]~ = @[/mod]

      Regards        Harry

[wannawin]

Hello friend, thank you very much for the helping hand. Please let me know if you have statistics on relations in consecutive sets where 4 double-streets are expected. Example:

Spin 1-6: 4 double spun streets. Marked.
Spin 7-12: 2 double streets from marked group.

In many consecutive sets. Maybe you have experience with this type of game? I am just considering this game for exploration. it would be ideal if a forum developer can provide us a program to automate the analysis. A good progression may give something.

[VLS]

it would be ideal if a forum developer can provide us a program to automate the analysis

Hey, weren't you learning how to code in BASIC? This is a wonderful opportunity to try!

I'm willing  assist you IF there is motivation from your part.

(i.e. not making the program for you; instead helping you make it).

[HarryJ]

  Hi Wannawin,
                   I tried betting any 4 DS that appeared in less than 6 spins. Despite a 97% suss rate in 3 spins, I couldn't quite make it work. It needed 2 3 bet stages and the progression was too brutal. You need a very good trigger to bet 24 numbers.
     I found betting the 2 sleepers or the 1st 2 of the 4 to be more profitable. I am still not quit sure what you are looking for. ie. The idea behind tracking the 4 from group 1 into group 2.  I need a better idea of your objective.

                  Harry

[wannawin]

  Hi Wannawin,
                   I tried betting any 4 DS that appeared in less than 6 spins. Despite a 97% suss rate in 3 spins, I couldn't quite make it work. It needed 2 3 bet stages and the progression was too brutal. You need a very good trigger to bet 24 numbers.
     I found betting the 2 sleepers or the 1st 2 of the 4 to be more profitable. I am still not quit sure what you are looking for. ie. The idea behind tracking the 4 from group 1 into group 2.  I need a better idea of your objective.

                  Harry

My goal is to know long term if it is possible to take advantage of consecutive groups recurrences.
We all know that while there are a group of sleepers another group is emerging. I want to know how often the group that stands out in the first cycle of 6 sets (4 for the thirds law) recurrences in the next cycle.
My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics if anyone has them or a program that allows me to carry them out myself.

[wannawin]

Hey, weren't you learning how to code in BASIC? This is a wonderful opportunity to try!

I'm willing  assist you IF there is motivation from your part.

(i.e. not making the program for you; instead helping you make it).

Sorry, it is hopeless. I tried with various programming languages ​​to always fall on a point where I am not able to do any better. My head is spinning and it discouraged me many times. I stopped trying. Not everyone is meant to be programmers. Thanks for the offer though.

[VLS]

Sorry, it is hopeless. I tried with various programming languages

Walter, can you please elaborate more on the languages you tried?


It is interesting to know what puts people off from general-purpose programming.


I have various theories which I would like to contrast.

[Gizmotron]

" My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics ..."

You will find that any progression, based on this trigger, will have times when it would fail. So to succeed, you need to add a factor, a circumstance that triggers when to use the progression. Otherwise you will fall victim to the progression you wish to use. A good trigger might be when singles are dominating. Or perhaps a best time to use it are when singles are sleeping.

[wannawin]

" My objective is to adapt a progression of maximum 4 double-streets bets selecting only good ones from the first cycle during the second cycle of 6. For this I need long-term statistics ..."

You will find that any progression, based on this trigger, will have times when it would fail. So to succeed, you need to add a factor, a circumstance that triggers when to use the progression. Otherwise you will fall victim to the progression you wish to use. A good trigger might be when singles are dominating. Or perhaps a best time to use it are when singles are sleeping.

You mean something like watching the lw? The truth is that I prefer systems lately where I will not have to guess. Yes I see the patterns. If I put the patterns of a session of 100 sets I see patterns clearly. With many spins in front you can say here there are many more w's or here there are more l's. The patterns exist and I do not doubt the people that say they are watching it.

what I use is simply not achieving at a level that will bring the success that some members claim to have by guessing the patterns. Any specific information on the subject would be greatly appreciated. I could not achieve it but I am not so closed as to say that if I could not do the guessing then no one else can. This is a great topic of study if you can remove the uncertainty that surrounds it.

[Gizmotron]

1. Know how to read randomness.
2. Find out what is going on in the strongest form.
3. Get actual data on the current effectiveness state.
4. Only place a bet while currently in the winning state.
  a. any loss is proof that you are not in the winning state any longer.
5. Use large enough bets that two or three net wins over any losses is enough.
6. Leave the casino with your success.

It takes experience with every step. It comes down to being in a win streak to place bets, and to quit while you are ahead.

[wannawin]

1. Know how to read randomness.
2. Find out what is going on in the strongest form.
3. Get actualdata on the current effectiveness state.
4. Only place a bet while currently in the winning state. a. any loss is proof that you are not in the winning state any longer.
5. Use large enough bets that two or three net wins over any losses is enough.
6. Leave the casino with your success.

It takes experience with every step. It comes down to being in a win streaktoplace bets, and to quit while you are ahead.

Thank you. this deserves its own thread and hopefully could be consolidated. Are you sure you can not make a program that bet by itself? programming all possible patterns: llw, LWLW, lllw absolutely all patterns used. While patterns are active it identifies them taking advantage of all opportunities to bet.

[wannawin]

can you please elaborate more on the languages you tried?

Basic256, Python, others. it is not difficult to understand why we quit. As it goes with everything there comes a point where things get complicated and you give up.

[Gizmotron]

Thank you. this deserves its own thread and hopefully could be consolidated. Are you sure you can not make a program that bet by itself? programming all possible patterns: llw, LWLW, lllw absolutely all patterns used. While patterns are active it identifies them taking advantage of all opportunities to bet.

I have changed my over all method. I'm no longer interested in grinding out agrigated wins, that take hours to reach satisfaction. I could write a pattern recognition application that targets opportunities. It only requires the identification of this single  pattern, "w w w w... ." With one, two, or three maximum bets placed its easy. One of the most common streaks are any two of the six double streets sleeping for many spins in a row. I doubt that you can't find some form of a sleeping dozen in every wheel being played in any given five to ten hours not happening. It's always somewhere. I track 25 unique dozens while I search for streaks of sleepers or dominance of singles. It's  enough. You don't need progression based blind betting