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[ADulay]

AD I just got it....lightbulb....the 2-5-8 right.....

You beat me to it!

AD

[Sputnik]

 
How much can you win using the Van Keelen Test?
You should Place 1000 bets and gain 100 units or more.

Cheers

[plolp]

         
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150 spins , 41 attack      overall score : +7

[Sputnik]

Why don't you test The Van Keelen Test - Place 1000 bets and gain 100 units or above - then you know if you have a edge or not ...
I reach 70/80 units using this test ...
Flat betting.

Cheers

[plolp]

for now 204 bet =+18

[Sputnik]

for now 204 bet =+18

Do you use Roulette Extreme or by hand?
I hope that is 204 placed bets and not spins :-)
Nice results.

Cheers

[Nickmsi]

I have finished testing whether it is better to bet the complete full 9 spins each time or to start a new session after any win or mutual bet.

I did 3 sessions each of 50,000 spins.

Results attached show that both methods won 2 out of the 3 sessions.  The left portion of the picture are Full Cycle betting and the right is starting a new session after a win or mutual bet.

My thinking is that you can use either way.  It does not matter.

All you need is to complete an AP within any consecutive 9 spins.

In live play, though the starting a new session after a win or mutual bet seems the most logical and fastest way to play.

Cheers
Nick

[ADulay]

In live play, though the starting a new session after a win or mutual bet seems the most logical and fastest way to play.

Cheers
Nick

I would tend to agree with this, especially when playing live, online.

AD

[plolp]

Do you use Roulette Extreme or by hand?
I hope that is 204 placed bets and not spins :-)
Nice results.

Cheers

By hand
204 placed bets  of course   

[Sputnik]

By hand
204 placed bets  of course   

Nice :-)

[MarkTeruya]

I have attached a VDW Baccarat Tracker.

This tracker will automatically tell you what your next bet is based on the AP to be completed.

You don't have to do anything but enter "P" or "B" in Column A and if there is a bet it will show up in Column L.

Enjoy

Nick

Hi Nick

Is the coding for this correct?

Because PBBBBBBBB returns +1 unit, whereas BPPPPPPPP returns zero bets?

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Also this doesn't look promising;

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I started testing against a set a 9 column binary tables (512 possibilities), half that to 256 same result.

Have to admit the results were rather poor, unless I am missing something.  I was feeding a row at a time into your attached Baccarat checker, first thing I noticed was it is geared to return a single win per column of 9 hands, which won't compensate for runs like this;

B   B   B   B
B   B   B   B
P   P   P   P
B   B   B   B
B   B   B   B
P   P   P   P
P   P   P   P
B   B   P   P
B   P   B   P
-3   -3   -3   -3


It can get worst;

B   B
B   B
P   P
P   P
B   B
B   B
P   P
P   P
B   P
-4   -4

I was left with the impression it relies heavily on a 3 streak somewhere in a 9 hand sequence, sure other patterns provide a single win, bulk of my testing was looking for a streak of 3. 

Sure I could restart after any win, but the flip side is, as it appears not to like repeating two's, is long doubles will consume your bankroll making it impossible to recoup if you were flat betting.  I don't profess to fully understand it, so apologies if I have skipped something, as I say all I did was feed binary possibilities into your excel sheet and did not complete the exercise as initial showings very poor.

Having said that and as I am use to working with columns, this is my rookie observation, personally I am not a fan of having columns of different lengths because you snared a win after 3 hands, I personally prefer to stick with columns of 9.  The tester sheet places no further bets after any initial win, so in a best case scenario you can only win 1u per round robin of 9 hands, the worst case is that you can lose 4u (this is on par with Eirescots "BP pair" method and frankly doesn't work), yet it appears the number of winning columns v's losing columns does not compensate for this from my testing.

It lacks the option for more wins per 9 hand sequence than the tester Baccarat sheet is currently delivering.  The flip-side, obviously would be, win a unit then lose a few units in any 9 hand sequence, maybe only gun for additional wins after say a 9 hand column has produced a -3 or -4 outcome.

Interesting though, cheers for posting......

[Nickmsi]

You are right Mark,

there must be something wrong in the code.

I will check it out and advise, I know often when going from roulette to baccarat my fat little fingers mess up the "copy and Paste" function.

Cheers for checking

Nick

[Nickmsi]

Hi Mark . .

I did find the error.

Attached sheet corrects it.

Kindly continue testing with this new sheet.

Cheers

Nick

[plolp]

Do not waste your time , Nick

it can not function .

[Nickmsi]

Hi Mark  . . .

Yes those 6 pattern out of 512 do show the losses of -3 or -4.

What do the other 506 show overall.  Do they compensate for these 6 patterns?

Let's review the statistical data and determine where to go if they are positive or if they are negative.

As I have said from the beginning, this is a FRAMEWORK that we can use in playing.  This is NOT the final version.  There is much more we can do to make it better.

In the history of the game, there has never been a NON RANDOM method that I know of.  Do you know of any?  Kindly let me know, because I sure would like to pursue testing them.

What I am trying to do is get you all excited about a new way to play.  I want you to try something new and revolutionary.  I want you to expand your knowledge of roulette/baccarat.

Sure there are those of you who don't believe anything I say,  those who think they know it all and will continue to play the way they want to.  God bless them.

But for those students of the game and those who want a better, safer and hopefully more profitable way, then jump on board and let's see where this takes us.

We are just talking about baccarat currently in this thread,  we have not yet begun to explore the possibilities with roulette which has much more options.

Cheers
Nick