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[RouletteGhost]

Nick stay away from GF

It's just a negative stuff hole

That's where all the failed mutants go

It'll drag you down.

[Nickmsi]

RG, you may be right but I got 3-4 people interested and that's what counts.

Those that see the merit will try, others just deny, deny, deny.

Cheers

Nick

[RouletteGhost]

Nick

I admit I don't fully understand vdw

But it looks very promising for baccarat

The 0 in roulette hurts

However for baccarat you may have something very special

[Baelog]

ADulay
Could you teach me your style of play using VDW?

Baelog

[ADulay]

ADulay
Could you teach me your style of play using VDW?

Baelog

I will grab one of the recently posted shoes on the site and transcribe it to a worksheet and post it up here with details of the line by line play.

Probably tomorrow as today is pretty well tied up with scheduled duties, 9 holes of golf and a shooting match tonight.

AD (Monday night Match Director)

[RouletteGhost]

Really interested to know how exactly vdw is played on baccarat

New local casino opened with baccarat machines. Real cards

[Blue_Angel]

Really interested to know how exactly vdw is played on baccarat

New local casino opened with baccarat machines. Real cards

Don't play those machines because they arrange the sequence of the cards, actually don't play neither pre-shuffled decks which bring them on the tables.
Play only with the good old fashioned way when shuffling was manually in front of you.
Unfortunately under the excuse of making the game faster, they've invented these shady tactics.
At least on Baccarat you could bet either way but on Blackjack is real slaughterhouse!

[ADulay]

Don't play those machines because they arrange the sequence of the cards,!

And just how are they "arranged"?

AD

[Blue_Angel]

And just how are they "arranged"?

AD

You should know better after all these years, I didn't expect to receive this respond from someone like you.
Just a friendly tip, the best way to decide what to bet is to wait to see where the most money have been bet and then bet the opposite.
If you are the only person at the table then good luck...!

[Eight Iron]

Don't play those machines because they arrange the sequence of the cards, actually don't play neither pre-shuffled decks which bring them on the tables.
Play only with the good old fashioned way when shuffling was manually in front of you.
Unfortunately under the excuse of making the game faster, they've invented these shady tactics.
At least on Baccarat you could bet either way but on Blackjack is real slaughterhouse!

Great Post.

It can also work to your advantage if you spot it.

These are the opening hands of six of fourteen EZ-Bac machine shuffled shoes I played over two sessions. 

PBBBPPB
PBBBPPB
PBBBBPP
PBBPPPB
PBBPBBP
PBBPPBB

For Blackjack, the CSM only need be programmed to shuffle the shoe so the count remains neutral throughout the shoe, so there will never be any point in the shoe where the player has an edge.

[RouletteGhost]

I've seen things happen on airball roulette and electronic baccarat with real cards that makes me question that

[RouletteGhost]

I do agree that the electronic airball roulette may alter results

So I tend to play only on full tables. Can't avoid us all lol

But on the flip side of the token I've seen electronic baccarat (with real cards) have 12 B in a row where the crowd is erupting because everyone rode the streak and cashed in big time. So how rigged is it?

I've seen people win thousands on electronic roulette

[Blue_Angel]

So how rigged is it?

It doesn't have to be, but it could be.
I prefer dealers rather than airballs.

[alrelax]

You should know better after all these years, I didn't expect to receive this respond from someone like you.
Just a friendly tip, the best way to decide what to bet is to wait to see where the most money have been bet and then bet the opposite.
If you are the only person at the table then good luck...!

I can seriously understand at Blackjack and possibly at Poker with some 'possibles' that are not outright cheating, but along the lines of not allowing the player at BJ to be able to count and determine with approximating how many big and small valued cards are left and at poker keeping the players there waiting longer with 'no start' hands, etc., etc.  And, of course, that is only with the continuous shuffler not the machine they use at baccarat tables.  But not at baccarat whatsoever.  For two factors, one the players can wager either side and second, when the shoe is cut there is always a change in any pre-set make up the deck could have had. 

As well, I have witnessed just as many perfect shoes, streak/runs or huge sections of chop-chop with auto shufflers as manually shuffling.  At times it sure is easy to say, that damn shuffler, etc., but not true at baccarat.  Also, why would some multi billion dollar corporations risk immediate revocation of their license?   

[Blue_Angel]

the players can wager either side

I agree but why not bet pass/don't pass instead of player/banker, on craps you could set and influence the dice in such way which makes a difference on the results.
For example there is a combination of bets which make you win with 34 out of 36 possible permutations of the dice, if you could avoid the 2 losing permutations by dice setting then each and every roll provides profit.

and second, when the shoe is cut there is always a change in any pre-set make up the deck could have had.

Yes, but not so big change. 

As well, I have witnessed just as many perfect shoes, streak/runs or huge sections of chop-chop with auto shufflers as manually shuffling.

I don't doubt about it.

Also, why would some multi billion dollar corporations risk immediate revocation of their license?

First, not all of them are in the multi billion sphere, second, if you have indications but not evidence you can do nothing legally, which is what it matters.
It's almost impossible to get evidence, hidden cameras and other similar gadgets don't even have the chance to get inside, so what you left with is just your word and as you might understand this means nothing legally.