Good that you recovered 
I also track back 4 or 5 to speed things up.
5 is the least you can have to get a trend indicator:

1
1*
1
11


I do not think any harm in that to get next qualifier because a new player entering the game with those 5 numbers would then begin to bet at that point on quad 4 (28-36).
As you stated a

1
1
1*
1

causes a new retrack.

Good Luck,
A.

Quote from: Atlantis on June 21, 2013, 07:32:25 AM

I do not think any harm in that to get next qualifier because a new player entering the game with those 5 numbers would then begin to bet at that point on quad 2.

Exactly my thinking
Cheers

Some really nice discussion on progression suitability - personally I think I would stay with B&B or Cocoon, being the coward that I am.  But I look at the last sentence in GG's progressions and shudder a little bit "this goes on until a win or pre-defined loss".  At least there is mention of a pre-defined loss - I think this is important. 

Actually, I would like to go back and re-visit a comment made by Turner right up at the beginning - "to pass 3-3-3 with the same bet has no relevance as the trigger didn't work this time".  Yes yes yes!  If you don't get a hit within, oh I don't know, say 6 - 9 spins, then the strategy didn't work this time so best not to try and force a win.  Take the loss, grab a cigarette, come back and start again - maybe with a slightly higher starting point.  If the game win rate is as high as Turner suggests, then there is no point in escalating bets up to a stupid level in an attempt to force a win out of the game - Madam Roulette will bite you!

And the stats will support my contention that the highest chance of a hit happens on the first attempt, slightly lesser on the next, and the next, and so on.  So the longer the game goes, the smaller the chance of a hit becomes.  Anyway, apart from that, there is mathematical evidence to support the fact that an advantage (if there is one) disappears the longer you chase it.  Therefore games should be limited to a number of attempts dependent on the strategy employed and in this case I would suggest 6 - 9. 

So what would be the best progression to use on this basis?  Not sure - there are more experienced people than myself here who can offer suggestions I would think.  But I would suggest a two-tiered approach - tier 1 is the in-game progression, limited to a short series of 6 - 9 spins (determined by trial and error perhaps?); and tier 2 wold be a game-level progression, perhaps a multiplier is applied to the tier 1 progression after a losing game, or a "plus 1" to each bet or some such.

regards
Bryan

Quote from: sqzbox on June 21, 2013, 01:07:29 PM

And the stats will support my contention that the highest chance of a hit happens on the first attempt, slightly lesser on the next, and the next, and so on.  So the longer the game goes, the smaller the chance of a hit becomes.  Anyway, apart from that, there is mathematical evidence to support the fact that an advantage (if there is one) disappears the longer you chase it. 
Bryan

Bryan, yep and it's called the Geometric distribution. Here's a nice little tutorial on it (hope this isn't too off-topic).


4 5 2 Geometric Distribution

Tidied the posts up.....most were mine....keeping it readable and relevant
Update:

140 won sessions, betting 1u= 50p, £10 daily win goal won 7 days straight.

(This will have to produce for 1 month with 50p = 1u before i would even consider £1=1u)

21Nova casino, live dealer

Its slow and requires intense discipline. Winning is not for everyone I guess


Tweaks


Qualify on 8
1-9      111
10-18  11
19-27  11
28-36  *

Is not to bet 1-9 anymore, but to bet 28-36.

Qualify on 7
1-9      111
10-18  11
19-27  1
28-36  *
is the last hot bet (in this example) 1-9


Don't track back past a zero
Stop everything on a new dealer and track from scratch.


Progression (stop on any win)


2 dozens covering the target quad 2u wins 1u
L/H covering the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 4u 
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 7u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 1u 
Stop loss 23u.

Good luck (because its probably all it is, but I seem to of got awful lucky this week)

Turner

Thanks for the update Turner, and the parachute tweaks.
This is really great news you're winning with the Quad Cycle.
High hopes for this one.
A.

Morning All.
A little birdie tells me to look out for this one, and possibly blend it with Fine Grindings of
EC coffee, with Line Whitener.


Will come back with questions if I may, if I don't understand any trigger conditions!
Cheers 

I've been known to stop at e/c if it don't feel right. I've also been known to play the DD again because the hit wasn't the target. One time, that DD  hit enough to be in profit on a loss even though the trigger had hit. I stayed same DD which hit 8 times.....total 12.
You see little opertunities to go "off road" when tracking.

@ Turner. I have been studying this method with great appreciation of the complex bet selection. I have a couple of questions, if you can help answer these, it will be really great.

See the attached image.
You mentioned don't track back beyond zero. So once the zero appears here, should I abandon the spins I have been tracking so far and start tracking all again?
Second question is, around the first bet. It should ideally be 2 dozens covering the quad. Here there is only one dozen. Do you do one dozen with 2u or you include the 2nd dozen as well?

Quote from: Priyanka on July 02, 2013, 04:05:31 PM
@ Turner. I have been studying this method with great appreciation of the complex bet selection. I have a couple of questions, if you can help answer these, it will be really great.

See the attached image.
You mentioned don't track back beyond zero. So once the zero appears here, should I abandon the spins I have been tracking so far and start tracking all again?


No....I mean this
1
3
14
22
0
6
16<<<<say I win here, I would only take 16 and 6 as  tracking numbers when looking to fill the tracking up from
so
1-9      1
10-18  1
19-27
28-36
So, if no zero

1
3
14
22
6
16      <<<< again, win here


1-9      111
10-18  11
19-27  1
28-36


Second question is, around the first bet. It should ideally be 2 dozens covering the quad. Here there is only one dozen. Do you do one dozen with 2u or you include the 2nd dozen as well?


If this is a capture from the attached files, there is no file attached playing as in the final post. I changed the parachute.


1-9      1
10-18  11
19-27  1
28-36  *

1U D2, 1U D2
#29
3U LOW
#11 <<<<wins 1U

Hi...see replies above.


The whole thing should be stopped on a dealer change. its annoying....and my loss recently was 4 into the progression when the dealer changed.


About 2 losses in 130 sessions or so.


each loss was 23U......winnings were about 150 U.....remember, some parts of the progression pay 4u and 7 u


Im going to do a Nathan Detroit now...


Play this at your own risk.


You must test on a real wheel or real wheel permz.


Its been lucky. All systems do well then don't.


i am seeing changes in opinions of Ralph, 2 Cat Sam and GLC. All old dogs in this game.


One way or another every system is doing the same thing.


Think of this......


i bet on a street because its hot. it's a six number group. Like a group of six neighbours on the wheel.


What about the last 6 unique spins? say 12,11,14,23,33,35


This is a group of 6. Its also the hottest you could ever get a 6 group. Its hit 6 times in the last 6. So why doesn't it just go ahead and hit....its as hot as F&*^.!!!!


It may do, but i bet it doesn't.


Its an illusion....hot this, cold that....but we try!

OK, I've looked at Turner's first post.  If I'm understanding it right, he bets nine numbers.

Now I'm looking at the "Cocoon" and if I'm understanding that, he bets an EC which is 18 numbers.

How do you reconcile 9 vs 18?

@Turner

You said you like a bet in 8 or 9 spins.  Is it 8 or 9?

Sam

Samster......


i am playing this like the last post...These were GGs progressions, but I didn't like  3U L/H then marty 6U.
What I want to do is win 1U. And if my idea is a bag of shyte....and my bet selection and tracking are too.....at least the first bet is 1:2 odds.


2 dozens covering the target quad 2u wins 1u
L/H covering the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 4u 
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 7u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 1u 
Stop loss 23u.

I have played many games since the first post...and I stopped posting due to lack of interest.

Its now 7 for a hot bet and 8 is a cold bet

1-9      111
10-18  11
19-27  1
28-36  *
Bet for 1-9

1-9      111
10-18  11
19-27  11
28-36  *
Bet for 28-36

Thing is Sam......The tracking is just an indicator
I've bet 1-9 here for obvious reasons without the cycles finishing
1-9     1111
10-18  1
19-27 
28-36 

And here....I didn't bother because its not clear over 2 cycles

1-9      1
10-18  1
19-27  1
28-36  *

1-9      11
10-18  1
19-27  *
28-36  1


absolute hard and fast rules will kill you.

One thing I havny pis*ed around with is the progression and stoploss. That has to be exact.
And stop on a dealer change.....always!

I do get it !.....people want to test it....and this is where JL lost respect...when you say it failed, he had some tweak he hadnt mentioned before

surely everyone here is starting to realize that a clockwork system with no intuition is going to die.

Thanks Turner for the explanations! Still practicing it.

Turner, when quad 1 or 4 qualifies do you bet 2 dozens or just 1?
if quad 1 qualifies you bet dozen 1 and 2 or what? same for quad 4
briefly going over my previous tests it looks very good so far, I will give this a go but I need to know this first

Hi sogget
I play first dd because i wanto just win. that's it. 1:2 odds.
I play h/l to get the dd loss back...and win 1:1
1:2 followed by 1:1. In the trigger quad area.
Then on to the quad via streets.
The quads will only fit into 2dozens completly
1 =D1,2  then low
2 = D1,2 then low
3= D2,3 then high
4=D2,3 then high.

Half my wins are dd hit where the trigger dint hit