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Bally6354

This will be an explanation of how I would play system9 a little bit differently from the tracker/bot. It is a less volatile way to play.

I will upload the Master Chart here which contains everything you need for tracking and betting.

Master Chart.

1-1=1,12.
1-2=1,2.
1-3=2,3,4.
1-4=3,4,6.
1-5=4,5,8.
1-6=5,6,10.
1-7=6,7,11.
1-8=7,8,9.
1-9=7,8,9.
1-10=5,9,10.
1-11=3,10,11.
1-12=1,11,12.

2-1=1,10,11.
2-2=2,12.
2-3=1,2,3.
2-4=2,4.
2-5=3,5,6.
2-6=4,6,8.
2-7=5,7,9.
2-8=6,7,8.
2-9=5,7,9.
2-10=3,8,10.
2-11=1,9,11.
2-12=10,11,12.

3-1=1,8,10.
3-2=2,10,11.
3-3=3,12,12.
3-4=1,2,4.
3-5=2,4,5.
3-6=3,6.
3-7=4,7.
3-8=5,8.
3-9=3,6,9.
3-10=1,7,10.
3-11=8,11.
3-12=9,12.

4-1=1,6,9.
4-2=2,8,10.
4-3=3,10,11.
4-4=4,12.
4-5=1,2,5.
4-6=2,4,6.
4-7=3,5,7.
4-8=3,4,8.
4-9=1,5,9.
4-10=6,10,11.
4-11=7,9,11.
4-12=7,8,12.

5-1=1,4,8.
5-2=2,6,9.
5-3=3,8,10.
5-4=4,10,11.
5-5=5,12.
5-6=1,2,6.
5-7=2,3,7.
5-8=1,3,8.
5-9=4,9,11.
5-10=5,9,10.
5-11=6,7,11.
5-12=5,7,12.

6-1=1,2,7.
6-2=2,4,8.
6-3=3,6,9.
6-4=4,8,10.
6-5=5,10,11.
6-6=6,12.
6-7=1,7.
6-8=2,8,11.
6-9=3,9.
6-10=4,7,10.
6-11=5,11.
6-12=3,6,12.

7-1=1,6.
7-2=2,3,7.
7-3=3,5,8.
7-4=4,7,9.
7-5=5,9,10.
7-6=6,11.
7-7=7,12.
7-8=1,8,10.
7-9=2,8,9.
7-10=3,6,10.
7-11=4,11.
7-12=2,5,12.

8-1=1,3,5.
8-2=2,5,6.
8-3=3,7.
8-4=4,8,9.
8-5=5,9,11.
8-6=1,6,10.
8-7=2,7,11.
8-8=8,12.
8-9=1,9,10.
8-10=2,8,10.
8-11=3,6,11.
8-12=4,12.

9-1=1,4,5.
9-2=2,5,7.
9-3=3,6,9.
9-4=4,7,11.
9-5=1,5,8.
9-6=3,6,9.
9-7=4,7,10.
9-8=2,8,11.
9-9=9,12.
9-10=1,10.
9-11=2,8,11.
9-12=3,6,12.

10-1=1,3,7.
10-2=2,4,9.
10-3=3,5,11.
10-4=1,4,6.
10-5=3,5,7.
10-6=5,6,8.
10-7=6,7,9.
10-8=4,8,10.
10-9=2,9,11.
10-10=10,12.
10-11=1,10,11.
10-12=2,8,12.

11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5.
11-5=5,6.
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.

12-1=1,11.
12-2=1,2.
12-3=3.
12-4=4,5.
12-5=5,7.
12-6=6,9.
12-7=7,10.
12-8=8.
12-9=6,9.
12-10=4,10.
12-11=2,11.
12-12=12.

Here is a screenshot of the session I will be running through.

Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

Here are the numbers again that I will be using in this quick session.

20
13
4
11
9
20
3
22
7
31
16
13
29
1
11
30
19
9
17
2

Now running these numbers through the tracker/bot would have finished at -12 with a highest drawdown of -23.

The way I am going to show you would have finished at +22 with a highest drawdown of -7. It is less volatile and can throw up some long winning runs.
 
I first of all need to write 1 - 11 on the top of the page.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

20=7 (this signals 20 is the first number out and belongs to street 7)

13=5 (5,9,10) (13 is the next number out and is street 5. This is where I use my chart.
Street 7 travelled to street 5. Look for the 7-5 on the chart.)

It should show as follows.....7-5 = 5,9,10. You then write the 5,9,10 next to the 13=5 like I did above.

You also need to cross out the 5,9,10 from the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 that you wrote at the top of the page.

So it should look like this now...

1 2 3 4 * 6 7 8 * ** 11

20=7

13=5 (5,9,10)

The numbers will get crossed out of the 1-11 at the top of the page as they appear.

You can see this happening if you play about with the tracker putting in numbers.

The tracker looks for potential bets straight away. What I am doing here is waiting until there is just one number left in the 1-11 at the top of the page.

The next number out is 4 which belongs to street 2.

The page should now look like this...

1 * 3 4 * * 7 8 * ** 11

20=7

13=5 (5,*,10)

4=2 (2,6,9)

Street 5 travelled to street 2. Look for the 5-2 on the chart. It shows 2,6,9.

Now I already have a previous 9. It needs to be crossed out. You can not have two of the same numbers in the brackets.

Always cross out the one which is furthest back.

You can see where I did this... 13=5 (5,*10)

I also crossed out the 2 and 6 from the 1-11 at the top of the page.

So now I will write out the numbers as they come out up to the point where I have just one number left in the 1-11.
 
* * * * * * * 8 * ** **
20=7

13=5 (5,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,9)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,7)

3=1 (1,6) *8*

The 8 is now the only number that has not appeared from the 1-11. This is my missing street.

So now I am ready to look for my first bet. I use the same chart as before.

It is multi-purpose and is used for both tracking and betting.

(now you might be asking at this point what happened to the 12 street?)

That was not included at the top of the page. I only used 1-11.

I always count the 12 as my 2nd missing street.

So 8 and 12 are missing. I always have two missing streets. Never less, never more.

Now the last number out was number 3 which belongs to street 1.

Go to where all the 1's are in the chart. 1-1, 1-2 etc...

This is what it looks like....

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)

Now remember the my two missing streets are 8 and 12.

So I look through all 1's and will back every street that does NOT have an 8 or 12 in the brackets.

So I will put an * next to all those.

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2) *
1-3 = (2,3,4) *
1-4 = (3,4,6) *
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10) *
1-7 = (6,7,11) *
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10) *
1-11 = (3,10,11) *
1-12 = (1,11,12)

There are 7 streets in total with NO 8 or 12 in them.

I will bet on these 7 streets.

The next number out was 22.

Unfortunately this belonged to street 8 and was a loss!

Now how here is one of the most important parts to remember!

The missing 8 has appeared. This means they now needs to be a new missing street to go with the 12.

Here is what needs to happen.

20=7

13=5 (5,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,9)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,7)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9) ***so what I need to do is this****

I cross out the furthest back 7 and 9 as usual. Now looking like this....

20=7

13=5 (5,*,*)

4=2 (*,*,*)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,*)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9)

And I also use the furthest back number (which happens to be the 5) as my new missing street.

So I need to cross that out as well. Now looking like this...
 
20=7

13=5 (*,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,*)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,*)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9) *5* NO. (The no signals the previous sleeping 8 did not continue) (The *5* is the new sleeper)

So Now I need to look for my next bet.

The last number out was 22 belonging to street 8.

So I go to where all the 8's are in the chart this time.

I am not going to back anything with a 5 or 12 in it.

The * marks any bets.

8-1 = (1,3,5)
8-2 = (2,5,6)
8-3 = (3,7) *
8-4 = (4,8,9) *
8-5 = (5,9,11)
8-6 = (1,6,10) *
8-7 = (2,7,11) *
8-8 = (8,12)
8-9 = (1,9,10) *
8-10 = (2,8,10) *
8-11 = (3,6,11) *
8-12 = (4,12)

There are 7 streets for me to bet with no 8 or 12 in them.

The next number out was 7 which belongs to street 3.

That was a winner.

The screen picture I uploaded above shows all the remaining bets and results.

cheers.
Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

RouletteFan

great job bally

have you done a lot of test

you consider this version safer and wining in the long run?

O0

Bally6354

Quote from: roulettefan on January 27, 2013, 11:42:03 PM
great job bally

have you done a lot of test

you consider this version safer and wining in the long run?

O0

Hello roulettefan

I definately prefer playing it this way. It suits my conservative nature.

One thing about playing it this way is that you get some real streaky sessions.

My record for a missing street using this method is 15+

One of the best MM plans that works great with it is the 'pluscoup progression'

That's the one where you stay level on a loss and go up 1 on a win if you are not in profit for that series. It almost doubles the profits compared to flat betting.

One thing that I have noticed is that the missing streets do tend to appear in swarms.

It always pays to be watchful.

cheers
Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

Just ran a quick 100 spins through the tracker and all the upward curves in the pic are when just the 2 streets are missing.

Winning runs of....

WWWWWWWW

WWWWWWW

WWWWWW

You do get times when a few early hits can boost up the profits. However there are other times when it just eats up a few chps every spin and you are down 20-30 units before you know where you are.

Winning runs like the ones above can always dig you out of a hole.

cheers.
Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Ophis

Hmmm.

This is quite confusing.
Assigning additional sleeping street after miss forces us to also track chart on last numbers spun... which wasn't necessary before.
I may need to rebuild entire tracker because of that.

I see what are you doing here but would be nice if you provided some more examples of choosing one more missing street.
Is there any correlation between furthest removed/furthest spun street  and  assigning new missing street?

What would happen if we lose X times in a row? How would you assign them?
What happens if you are in Profit? How do you reset.
Are you using here cycles (games) here?
When does cycle end?
After cycle ends, do we reset tracking from beginning?
Multi Systems Tracker
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Bally6354

I will run through another game throughout the day with some pictures and explain what's going on.

[attachimg=1]

The numbers that have come out so far!

10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,3)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (1,10,11)

13=5 (4,5,8)

5=2 (2,6,9) *7*

So you can see in the picture that the 7 and 12 column are empty.

These are my two missing streets.

Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

Here is the next pic...

[attachimg=1]

You can see that there are three wins with the missing 7 and 12 before the 7 finally appears.

Now the furthest back is the 3 where I have put an arrow.


The pics are a good illustration because only 1-3 X's can go into a row.
This leaves at least 9 empty boxes after every spin. So you can get an idea of how long one or two of these streets can go missing for.

Here are all the numbers so far.....

10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,*)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (1,**,**)

13=5 (*,5,*)

5=2 (2,*,*) *7*

16=6 (*,*,*) *7*

11=4 (4,8,**) *7*

30=10 (*,10,11) *7*

21=7 (6,7,9) *3* (The new missing street is now the 3)

Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

Here is the next pic....

[attachimg=1]

So you can see there are four wins where the 3 and 12 went missing before the 3 finally appears.

Now the furthest back is the 2 where I have put the arrow!

This was a nice win streak first involving the missing 7 +12 and then the missing 3 + 12.

It had a W/L registry of WWW L WWWW L.

**To answer some of ophis's questions**

This way of tracking gives me an insight into what's happening. There are no hard and fast rules and that's why I said I never used the bot and only used the tracker. I like to work my way through things and get a feel for what's happening and go with the flow. That's what works best for me. I can only tell you the way I go about it. Every session is different and I adapt accordingly.

Let's say the missing street keeps appearing (excluding the 12) That is only a 2 or 3 chip bet and I play it if that's what is happening most of the time. It does not pay to keep betting on something that's not happening.

The numbers that have come out so far!


10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,*)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (*,**,**)

13=5 (*,*,*)

5=2 (*,*,*) *7*

16=6 (*,*,*) *7*

11=4 (*,*,**) *7*

30=10 (*,**,**) *7*

21=7 (6,*,*) *3*

33=11 (4,11) *3*

19=7 (*,8) *3*

13=5 (*,*,**) *3*

28=10 (5,9,10) *3*

2=1 (1,3,7) *2* (The new missing street is now the 2)


Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

So you can see how waiting for just one missing street and then adding the 12 in as the second missing street can throw up some nice winning runs.

These runs will come. You could play after a bad batch of spins hoping for some kind of correction scenario if you liked. Just wait for the positive indicators that things are changing and then test the waters with a bet.

Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

One thing I need to add regarding leaving out the 12 street.

You never mark it when charting.

So for example......

Let's say street 11 travels to street 11 again.

The Master Chart has the following....

11-11 = 11,12.

You would just mark in the 11.

example....

31=11

32=11 (11)

You will ALWAYS have 10 numbers in total in the bracketed numbers once you have your missing street.

Like this....


10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,*)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (*,**,**)

13=5 (*,*,*)

5=2 (*,*,*) *7*

16=6 (*,*,*) *7*

11=4 (*,*,**) *7*

30=10 (*,**,**) *7*

21=7 (6,*,*) *3*

33=11 (4,11) *3*

19=7 (*,8) *3*

13=5 (*,*,**) *3*

28=10 (5,9,10) *3*

2=1 (1,3,7) *2*

Count all the numbers in the brackets. There are 10. You have 2 missing. One is your missing street and the other one is the 12 street.

More info regarding the 12 street....

The only way the 12 can appear is if you get a repeat street or the actual 12 street itself (34,35,36) appears.

This would only be a two chip bet if you saw that it was coming out like wildfire in one shape or another and wanted to bet for it.

More info regarding the missing street....

Let's say street 5 (13,14,15) was your missing street and number 32 has just appeared.

Let's also assume the missing street has come in on the last two spins and it is clumping and you want to just continue betting for the missing street to keep appearing (which can obviously happen from time to time)

All you would do is just look for any 5 in the 11 block on the Master Chart.

Let's have a look!

11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5. *
11-5=5,6. *
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.


I have put an * next to where the 5's are.

You can see that there are only two of them here.



So you can bet for the missing 12 or the missing street (or both combined) if you see either or both of them clumping together.

cheers.



Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Bally6354

This pic shows a typical example of how the streets as I would use them can go out of action for a while.

The 7 went AWOL for 19 consecutive spins.

This is just variance at work.

[attachimg=1]

Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.

Ophis

can you show me first 40spins from this file?

with LW
Multi Systems Tracker
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soggett

ooo, I like the sound of this
great job Bally, very nice :thumbsup:
you think it can work just by flatbetting?

and if Ophis is gonna code it...  :cheer: :cheer:

Bally6354

The one criticism I do have about system9 is that using the streets as a betting vehicle does not allow me to be as creative as I would like and I also don't like covering so many numbers.

This idea is about 18 months old. I have since come up with system18 and system36.

I wanted to develop something which did not take as long to get started and which covered less than 50% of the board.

System 36 is the most dynamic because it bets on single numbers. I have got it down to roughly between 8-12 numbers and still get some amazing winning runs with some additional concepts that I threw in.

It goes to prove that this game is not unbeatable. I now find myself winning most sessions I play. The only downside is that it does take a lot of mental effort. So I just play short sessions looking to hit a few wins and then stop and have a break.



Sometimes it is the people who no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine.