Hello ophis

I will run through them and get back to you!

cheers.

Quote from: Bally6354 on January 28, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
The one criticism I do have about system9 is that using the streets as a betting vehicle does not allow me to be as creative as I would like and I also don't like covering so many numbers.

This idea is about 18 months old. I have since come up with system18 and system36.

I wanted to develop something which did not take as long to get started and which covered less than 50% of the board.

System 36 is the most dynamic because it bets on single numbers. I have got it down to roughly between 8-12 numbers and still get some amazing winning runs with some additional concepts that I threw in.

It goes to prove that this game is not unbeatable. I now find myself winning most sessions I play. The only downside is that it does take a lot of mental effort. So I just play short sessions looking to hit a few wins and then stop and have a break.

well, you can't have it all

are you going to share system36 with us? or if you already did and I missed it can you post a link?thanks

* * * * * * * * * ** **
08=03
07=03 (*)
17=06 (*,*)
27=09 (*,*)
11=04 (*,*,**)
02=01 (*,*,*)
19=07 (*,*,**)
27=09 (*,*,*)
31=11 (*,*,**)
20=07 (*,*)
06=02 (*,*,*)
30=10 (*,*,**) *5* bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5.
23=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (-2)
00= * repeat same bet. 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. +5. (+3)
12=04 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+8)
02=01 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 2,3,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5. (+13)
20=07 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,6,8,9,10,11 = 8. +4. (+17)
28=10 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. -7. (+10)
36=12 (*,*) *5* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 5 is still the missing street) The bet was actually a loss. no bet next. never bet from the 12 street.
I don't like betting from the 12 street because it often involves betting 9 or more streets.
I don't really see the point in that. The risk seems to outweigh the reward.
33=11 (*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10 = 8. +4. (+14)
27=09 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+19)
22=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (+12)
15=05 (*,*,**) *1* LOST. bet 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 8. -8. (+4)
15=05 (*) *1* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 1 is still the missing street)
This is a situation where I have just lost 2 in a row and I can either bet for the losing run to continue or wait for a paper win before I start betting again.
Betting for the losing run to continue means I would bet for the missing 1 street or the 12 street to appear on the next spin.
That is only a 3 chip bet and I would only bet streets 1,2,12.
01=01 (*,*,*) *7* LOST.
The missing 1 street did appear and that takes the losing run to three even though I would have won the last bet looking for the loss.
New total = +13.
So I would look for the losing run to continue and now I would bet for the missing 7 or 12 street to appear.
That is only a 4 chip bet and I would only bet streets 2,4,7,12.
36=12 (*,**) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
One of either the missing 7 street or the 12 street did appear and that now takes the losing run to 4.
You can see what I mean by the losing runs clumping together as well sometimes.
New total = +21.
Now remember I don't bet from the 12 street and so there is no bet on the next spin.
22=08 (*) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
Now I have had 4 losses in a row and there was no bet on the last spin because I don't bet from the 12.
However the last bet was a 'technical winner'
These are the grey areas. You could wait to see if things get back on track with another win.
Or you could dive back in looking for the 7 and 12 to stay missing.
OK, let's bet for the 7 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,6,9,10,11 = 8.
21=07 (*,*,**) *3* LOST. New total +13.
So the losses are 5 from the last 6 even though we bet for a few of those losses.
This is one of those times when you might like to wait for at least the wins to approach 50% over the last few spins.
That's just to confirm that things may be getting back on track.
So I am not going to bet and just see what happens.
It may be the losses continue and I bet for more losses.
14=05 (*,*,**) *3* WON.
OK, so two wins from the last three for the missing street and the 12 street. Back looking for that.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue.
Bet 1,2,4,6,9,10,11 = 7.
03=01 (*,*,*) *3* WON. +5. New total +18.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,5,6,7,8,9,10 = 7.
03=01 (*) *3* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 3 is still the missing street) That was a loss. -7. New total +11.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,5,6,7,8,9,10 = 7.
22=08 (*,*,9) *3* WON. +5. New total +16.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,4,5,6,7,9,10 = 7.
17=06 (*,*,**) *3* WON. +5. New total +21.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11 = 8.
16=06 (6) *3* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 3 is still the missing street) That was a loss. -8. New total +13.
Bet for the missing 3 street and 12 to continue missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11 = 8.
30=10 (*,*,**) *3* WON. +4. New total +17.
Bet for the missing 3 street and 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 7.
02=01 (*,*,*) *2* LOSS. -7. New total +10.
So I have 3 losses out of the last 5 and the wins are dropping below 50% again.
This is where you need to use your judgement.
You don't have to bet every spin.
The 3 was missing for a long while but it kept getting hit by the 12 (ie.. repeat streets in this instance)
So no bet on the next spin. I only like to bet for the losses to continue if there are a few losses on the bounce.
07=03 (2,*,*) *11* LOSS. So another loss but no harm to the balance.
Now the actual missing street has come up twice.
So I will look for the missing 11 to come up here.
Bet 2,11 = 2.
29=10 (1,*,**) *11* WON. So that was a loss for me. -2. New total +8.
So back to looking for the missing 11 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,6,7,8 = 7.
13=05 (3,5,7) *11* WON. +5. New balance +13.
Bet for the missing 11 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,10 = 7.
11=04 (4,10,11) *8* LOSS. That was a loss. -7. New total +6.
Well that is a pretty detailed and concise explanation of how I would play it.
It came out in front flat betting and it was not a pretty session.
system9 can be a grind, but hey, that's roulette.
cheers.

Quote from: soggett on January 28, 2013, 04:18:04 PM

well, you can't have it all

are you going to share system36 with us? or if you already did and I missed it can you post a link?thanks

I will share it soggett!

Give it a year or two. The novelty will soon wear. I am an Aries! 

Another quick example....

I downloaded 100 spins from random.org.

Here they are...

34 16 21 2 33 12 34 26 35 17 31 1 26 3 15 5 14 29 20 5 35 24 6 31 12 22 25 21 16 6 2 7 30 9 26 33 17 16 28 20 26 14 17 4 11 35 30 24 32 17 27 5 2 10 29 8 23 12 31 9 35 36 26 35 23 11 31 30 5 20 8 27 27 1 6 10 10 26 28 30 18 32 5 17 15 4 24 13 5 14 27 7 17 11 20 14 4 11 16 9 

Timestamp: 2013-01-28 21:03:38 UTC

I put them through the tracker/bot

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Things were not going very well until a 13 spin win streak on the missing 1 + 12 street brought it into profit.

I have also played 4 games of system9 over the weekend just to get the feel for it again.

Just using 5 cent pieces at betvoyager.

session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.

Total +96 units.

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So you can see it can be a bit slow at times. system9 was the next step up from my 'streets of gold' strategy. Now that was a grind. 

does this completely replaces OLD System9? can i remove old version from the bot?

Hello ophis

Yes mate. I think that is OK for an adrenaline ride but not a sensible way to play if you are looking for consistency in winning sessions.

cheers.

I wouldn't have been able to sleep if I didn't reach 100 units. 

session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.
session 5. +22.

Total +118 units.


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It will add up, many small becomes more.

Quote from: Bally6354 on January 28, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
* * * * * * * * * ** **
08=03
07=03 (*)
17=06 (*,*)
27=09 (*,*)
11=04 (*,*,**)
02=01 (*,*,*)
19=07 (*,*,**)
27=09 (*,*,*)
31=11 (*,*,**)
20=07 (*,*)
06=02 (*,*,*)
30=10 (*,*,**) *5* bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5.
23=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (-2)
00= * repeat same bet. 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. +5. (+3)
12=04 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+8)
02=01 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 2,3,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5. (+13)
20=07 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,6,8,9,10,11 = 8. +4. (+17)
28=10 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. -7. (+10)
36=12 (*,*) *5* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 5 is still the missing street) The bet was actually a loss. no bet next. never bet from the 12 street.
I don't like betting from the 12 street because it often involves betting 9 or more streets.
I don't really see the point in that. The risk seems to outweigh the reward.
33=11 (*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10 = 8. +4. (+14)
27=09 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+19)
22=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (+12)
15=05 (*,*,**) *1* LOST. bet 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 8. -8. (+4) shoudnt you bet here 2 3 7 9 10 11?
15=05 (*) *1* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 1 is still the missing street)
This is a situation where I have just lost 2 in a row and I can either bet for the losing run to continue or wait for a paper win before I start betting again.
Betting for the losing run to continue means I would bet for the missing 1 street or the 12 street to appear on the next spin.
That is only a 3 chip bet and I would only bet streets 1,2,12. 
i understand that after 2xL you are reversing bet and you go for 1 and 12.... but where from did you took 2?
its not most sleeping, its not recent... even if you suppose to bet all that shoudnt be bet we would end up with 1 5 6 8 12....
01=01 (*,*,*) *7* LOST.
The missing 1 street did appear and that takes the losing run to three even though I would have won the last bet looking for the loss.
New total = +13.
So I would look for the losing run to continue and now I would bet for the missing 7 or 12 street to appear.
That is only a 4 chip bet and I would only bet streets 2,4,7,12.  same here... where from did you took 2 and 4?
36=12 (*,**) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
One of either the missing 7 street or the 12 street did appear and that now takes the losing run to 4.
You can see what I mean by the losing runs clumping together as well sometimes.
New total = +21.
Now remember I don't bet from the 12 street and so there is no bet on the next spin.  can street12 be part of DoubleLoss trigger to reverse bet?
22=08 (*) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
Now I have had 4 losses in a row and there was no bet on the last spin because I don't bet from the 12.
However the last bet was a 'technical winner'
These are the grey areas. You could wait to see if things get back on track with another win.  would you agree to reverse bet back to original betting mode after 2Actual Losses?

Hello ophis

I checked through it again and I did make a few mistakes.

To answer your questions....

''i understand that after 2xL you are reversing bet and you go for 1 and 12.... but where from did you took 2? '' --ophis.

The last street out was the 5 and my missing two streets are the 1 and 12.

So I go to the 5 block on the chart because that was the last street out and look for anything that has a 1 or a 12 in it.

There are four streets that have a 1 or a 12 in it.

These are the 1, 5, 10, and 12.

So I would bet these four streets.

(my mistake was looking up and seeing the 1 and thinking that was the last street out. I would have then backed the 1, 2 and 12 if that was the case.)

It was still a winner. I just need to take a chip of the end result.

''same here... where from did you took 2 and 4?'' -- ophis.

The last street out was the 1 and my missing 2 streets are the 7 and 12.

So I go to the 1 block on the chart because that was the last street out and look for anything that has a 7 or 12 in it.

There are five streets that have a 7 or 12 in it.

These are the 1, 7, 8, 9 and 12.

So I would bet these 5 streets.

(I made the same mistake by looking up and seeing the 7 and thinking that was the block I was working from. I am not used to doing everything in this new word doc that I am using. I should have used my charts. Sorry)

''can street12 be part of DoubleLoss trigger to reverse bet?'' -- ophis.

Yes, if I am understanding you correctly. That's what I have shown above.
Alternatively, if you get a run of 12's. Bet for them after they appear twice.
It can only ever be a 1 or 2 chip bet.
It will be 1 chip if the 12 keeps repeating or 2 chips if you keep getting a repeat street other than the 12.

''would you agree to reverse bet back to original betting mode after 2Actual Losses?'' -- ophis.

After two losses playing for the missing two streets, I play for the reverse bet.

If the reverse bet does not come straight away. I jump back on the original bet.

'shoudnt you bet here 2 3 7 9 10 11?' -- ophis.

The 1 and 12 street are missing from the 5.

So I go to the 5 block and look for anything without a 1 or 12 in it.

So these would be 2,3,4,7,9,10,11.

All that scrolling back and forth and the numbers too close together is my excuse. Or maybe I need to go to specsavers. 

Well I think that answers all your questions ophis.

cheers.

 

 

if 2L (LL) is a trigger to reverse then would
L noBet L
or
L noBet noBet  L
be also a trigger?


Alternatively, if you get a run of 12's. Bet for them after they appear twice.
in that case we would reverse here:

L noBet noBet REVERSE

Alternatively, if you get a run of 12's. Bet for them after they appear twice.
in that case we would reverse here:

L noBet noBet REVERSE

Yes, that's ok to do that.

I understand vague answers are no good to you if you are designing a tracker. So rules need to be made.

My experience tells me to reverse the bet after two losses playing for the missing two streets. Then I will normally go straight back to the original if I have a loss betting the reverse.

cheers. 

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session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.
session 5. +22.
session 6. +21.

Total = +139 units.