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Re: Swiss Dreams
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2015, 11:18:31 pm »
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  • Again let's be clear here. I have no favourites or hidden agenda. It may be useful to churn selected passages from 5-7 years ago from other forums and see what hits the fan/ filter. I notice that when 'Shikamaru' was posting on Gamblers Glen, TurboGenius- already with long experience in roulette and roulette discussions- was no fool. Here is an exchange from May 2009 :

    Shikamaru
    about that Charles Hampshire guy i think there might be some truth to what he says

    90 mins later
    TurboGenius
    No one registers here and then on the same day brings up a dead thread from 9 months ago unless there's a reason. We're not jackasses here at GG ok?

    and so on....

    Another post a day later..

    CN
    The text that was on win3million is not there now....this was it from an old copy
    'Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real 'stability', and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is 'A BET WITHIN THAT BET'. It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner! It may also be that the CONSISTENCY is so good you can bet quite heavy. You may just need a 'Dummy' ( no win-no lose) bet to while the time.'


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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #31 on: December 26, 2015, 03:15:12 am »
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  • The Shikamaru posts continued ( by this stage it is clear he and CEH are one and the same entity).

    Have a read of this and the key phrases are 'CREATE a bet', "bets", "thought pattern" - as written by CEH/Shikamaru.

    Note of course all this may be insane rubbish, or rubbish designed to enable the long sting, or it may have some use, or it may be true in principle, or even in detail - let's keep an open mind.

    'When I said to try to CREATE a bet that includes a dozen or column or maybe both that is exactly what i wanted you to do. I did not say to include or exclude the even bets (EC) or to use the column and dozen combo. All I said was that you need to create a bet that INCLUDES a column, a dozen, or maybe even both. The word INCLUDES means that that the column, dozen, or column dozen combo is not the whole bet, but just part of it.'
    'Use the fact that these "bets" pay out double when you win to your advantage....' a certain thought pattern'.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #32 on: December 26, 2015, 03:28:48 am »
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  • The posts just presented were part of a good introductory post by 'Alan' on Gamblers Glen  21 August 2008 titled 'One Big Hoax' - perhaps he was correct.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #33 on: December 26, 2015, 06:36:57 am »
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  • In 2010 I had dealings with the member then called 'CommonSense1968'. In his introductory posts he came across cleverly as a clone of CEH with his matrix pairs theory. This was contemporary with the Swiss PPPC and I continue to have high respect for this work as well as his theory on penultimate spin betting. Years later I acknowledge that like everything in roulette, current phase forms are cyclic, and at times penultimate cycle bets can be lucrative, as can phases of repeat numbers. These come in short bursts and if recognised and acted upon can be very profitable - nothing complex or mysterious about this at all.

    This the script from CS1968....

    'Look at these in detail and you will get a flat bet. These are the 9 movements on the table and cross reference dozens and columns- they are the key to a CWB.'

    aa . ab . ac

    ba . bb . bc

    ca . cb . cc


    aa                  ab                   ac
    1   R  O           2  B  E            3  R  O
    4   B  E           5  R  O            6  B  E
    7   R  O           8  B  E            9  R  O
    10 B  E    L     11 B  O   L       12 R  E   L

    ------------------------------------------------
    ba                  bb                  bc
    13  B  O         14  R  E           15  B  O
    16  R  E          17  B  O          18  R  E
    ------------------------------------------------
    19  R  O         20  B  E           21  R  O
    22  B  E         23  R  O           24  B  E


    ca                  cb                   cc
    25  R  O         26  B  E           27  R  O
    28  B  E          29  B  O          30  R  E
    31  B  O         32  R  E           33  B  O
    34  R  E  H      35  B  O  H      36  R  E   H


    anticipate  18-20 wins to 10-12 loss

    ie  18-20/ 30   ie 2/3 wins

    based on theory on reversals or switches such as ac predicts ca

    or

    aa triggers reverse cc

    or

    same /  change    sequences/ cycles of same   and then abrupt change  - measure sequence durations and likely triggers

    From these notes taken October 2010 some testing followed with inconclusive results despite these ingenious patterns.

    The door is open to any current updates from the original author.
         

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #34 on: December 26, 2015, 06:49:32 am »
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  • Before you write off the above as well intentioned madness consider the following sequences...

    ab
    cb
    cb
    ac
    cb   note the continuity of clusters ac vertically  and bc vertically  5 spin duration - what if after 4 spins you bet change from ac/bc to ba

          you would be correct

    ba
    cb
    ca   note vertical cb and vertical ba clusters  .... consider betting for change to ac

          you would be correct

    ac


    Such an approach might  be developed based on switch from same to change after say 3 or 4 consecutives forming vertical clusters.

    Looks like a bet within a bet.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #35 on: December 26, 2015, 07:00:33 am »
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  • Again, let me make this clear. I did not continue the pairs matrix work and instead re-studied and further improved my own private bet work with cluster analysis ( context of recent spins as above) and flat staking ( as above). I simplified and strengthened my own bet development by improving bet selection, timing and focus, as well as bet efficiency. Money management should not be a big deal if you have a flat bet that shows frequent net profit cycles.

    The above notes I added were merely insights that occurred to me recently. There may well be merit in the above ideas from CS1968.

    What this illustrates is that there are many many ways to look into roulette when you take the quantum shift away from just one spin at a time, and instead consider recent sequence outcomes and project ahead on the basis of sudden change to a short cycle pattern.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #36 on: December 26, 2015, 01:47:16 pm »
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  • Thanks XXVV for the topic, posts, facts and explanation.

    During my research I have read Shikamaru's and Razor's posts.

    What I understand from their posts is that they have chosen to base their research on trying to trap the runs and changes in Dozens, because the payout on each of the 3 Dozens is 2:1 in addition to trying to trap the runs and changes in Columns because the payout on each of the 3 Columns is 2:1

    Betting on the runs in Dozens / Columns is betting on the same Dozen / Column of the last outcome and the payout is 2:1

    Betting on the changes in Dozens / Columns is betting on the 2 Dozens / Columns that are different from the Dozen / Column of the last outcome, and the payout is 1:2, now if you would like to include the Even Chances consider the following facts:

    A) Dozens 1 and 2 contain 18 Low Numbers (If the result of last outcome is Dozen 3 and you would like to bet on the change, instead of betting on Dozens 1 and 2 for a payout of 1:2, you can choose to bet on Low, this way you will cover 75 % of Dozens 1 and 2 for a payout of 1:1 and the bet on Low can be considered as a "bet within a bet")

    B) Dozens 2 and 3 contain 18 High Numbers (If the result of last outcome is Dozen 1 and you would like to bet on the change, instead of betting on Dozens 2 and 3 for a payout of 1:2, you can choose to bet on High, this way you will cover 75 % of Dozens 2 and 3 for a payout of 1:1 and the Bet on High can be considered as a "bet within a bet" )

    C) Columns 1 and 2 contain 14 Black Numbers (If the result of last outcome is Column 3 and you would like to bet on the change, instead of betting on Columns 1 and 2 for a payout of 1:2, you can choose to bet on Black, this way you will cover 58,33 % of Columns 1 and 2 for a payout of 1:1 and the Bet on Black can be considered as a "bet within a bet")

    D) Columns 1 and 3 contain 14 Red Numbers (If the result of last outcome is Column 2 and you would like to bet on the change, instead of betting on Columns 1 and 3 for a payout of 1:2, you can choose to bet on Red, this way you will cover 58,33 % of Columns 1 and 3 for a payout of 1:1 and the bet on Red can be considered as a "bet within a bet")

    After dealing with those facts, what remains is the "know how", that is how to trap the Runs and Changes?

    I believe members that have experience in applied "Clustering Analysis" and applied strategies can help devise a viable strategy for trapping the runs and changes in Dozens / Columns.


     




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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #37 on: December 26, 2015, 09:42:34 pm »
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  • Thanks RLogic for your excellent and helpful summary.

    My own work 15-20 years ago was built on two professional mentors MS and BC  who dramatically shifted my views and also the influence of the professional player Dr Martin Blakey with his money management, enthusiasm and lifestyle. After that through empirical testing I devised many bets and some I will share with you here. Some such as WF have been outlined here before, and others such as the D+C and Loss Bet do relate to the context above in this thread.

    My own private bet exploded into reality when I realised it worked flat staking, and that there was no need to progress. In practical play however I tend to step bet values in the context of favourable/ unfavourable trending.

    In reference to RLogic's most helpful post, and thanks to CS1968 ( since re-named) and his extraordinary progress, I do observe from experience through the long practice of the 'thought pattern' (ie way of thinking - tilt ) that clusters in varying formats have a bell curve of distribution, and to observe the centreline of the that bell curve can tell you when same can switch to change (ie run to switch).

    Note in the model matrix proposed by CS1968 a theory of common duration extent may be 4 spin outcomes, or 5 outcomes as trigger to switch to change.

    That matrix works with D+C , dozens/ colours and may overlap with EC bets. There are 9 movements or variable forms with all containing 4 inside numbers. Zero is set aside. My view on this is to play Zero as an independent single number target that transcends shorter games and which game may have a life of its own within but most probably without other sessions in this matrix form. Because it is a game targeting only one number, and given a suitable bank, it is quite a good bet. The goal would simply be to break even. Like wise with 00 as well as 0- the two could be played in a sort of parallel universe zero game.

    My observations regarding the switch bet ( that gives great returns on only 4 target numbers with this CS1968 matrix ) are based on initial views only but a sort of 'idea level' operation. In real life most such ideas come to nought, but in this case the research into this might be time very well spent. It is sad that in some forums I note some world weariness where some writers  who have been around too long seem to lament that the enthusiasm and naivety of research and writing 5-10 years ago is no longer with us, as if we are now all wise to the impossibility to beat the game, or that anyone who dares to entertain such thoughts must be a scammer. Amusingly some have accused me of such despite having given away so much 'free' information - must be a long scam then.  This is nonsense of course because now more than ever roulette opens many parallel paths into winning bets. Far more than the 4 or 5 Simon and CEH mentioned. Always it is important to note the fraudsters may never have found a true bet, but just raked in all the offerings from those on the trail. They may have had the signs and some principles but it is pleasing to note that there are some of us who have truly developed worthy bets despite being de-frauded or let down many times by time wasters or lazy individuals who want it all spoon fed. Yes I could name about a dozen and some are still readers and regular visitors to this forum. 

    In contrast with the CS1968 switch bet noted above ( my terminology) which targets 4 numbers, my own bet targets 9 numbers, but because it overlays several sets or matrices, it can produce a target every spin if sufficient sets are monitored. If playing one set, then a target is set every 7 spins or so.

    In my own work which has 4 variables abcd as opposed to the CS1968 bet which has 3 variables abc, the duration of a cluster runs from 1 spin** to a maximum once observed of 20 spins with a median at about 4-5 spins. Thus we know change will follow soon after. On that basis a technique can be built.

    **formation of a cluster by definition may take 2-3 spins and the term 1 spin is applied after that formation phase

    The technique, then the strategy is formed around the bet characteristic performance.

    It is not hard once you get the 'thought pattern'.

    By the way, the bet efficiency of a 4 number target is superior to that of a 9 number target, but another variable is the consistency of the bet which needs to be measured over a very large sample size, or better, multiple samples, at least 10,000 spins per sample.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #38 on: December 27, 2015, 12:59:42 am »
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  • To be fair I should add an extra note to the comments on trying to apply the optimum bet efficiency for the pairs matrix as outlined above.

    To obtain a hit on the ideal double change change would give you +31 units gain flat staking, and you make seek the double change for several spins. But of course the downside is that only one change occurs while on the other side you may need to cover a continuity of the same, and it is that variation and uncertainty that may be the undoing of this ingenious work.

    My initial test of course showed two consecutive ideal results - this always happens with testers. I will do a larger sample and see how it goes. 100 samples is a good initial guide.

    With my own bet the variables are much more fixed, and once the trigger is set the bet is locked in for up to 6 attempts before a pause stop loss, and then a later second attempt when the screws tighten ( not gambler's fallacy).

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #39 on: December 27, 2015, 03:34:53 am »
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  • In this broad cover 'Swiss Dreams' which by the way has a sub-text 'swiss nightmares' I weave various ideas and writers into this context which at the moment is set at about October 2010 which is the fateful time I was preparing a 335 GBP bank draft for the HSBC in Brighton.

    At that time I was writing as XXVV but on RouletteForum.cc as was CommonSense1968.

    In the next post I will list some of the suggested bets that came out during the time. To cut a long story short, the best approach is to seek out short cycles where there is a trend imbalance (same) and take advantage of it, such as the notion that an odd number will follow Red3. No great mystery there it just works some of the time. Also the theory that Odd will follow certain black odd numbers, and the RO/BE and vice versa relations. I think many people have spent a lot of time investigating this stuff and really it is all more to do with short cycle trending.

    I think a writer like Gizmotron has a better overall view of these random behaviours and over the past 5 years his approach and overview is recommended. My own Private Bet approach harnesses and incorporates some of these enigmas like a giant snowball, and I even take on board the 13/31 relationship which can at times be a wheel resonance on the European wheel. However I can say my own bet stands quite apart from the CEH or CS1968 or other writings - but I still listen to what they all say and try to keep an open mind to any possible leaps forward.

    Here is one of the archetypal quotes from CS 1968...

    'Remember This. The (matrix) that is 9 places where the ball will land. Engineer a bet. Let your imagination go wild. 20 bets from ceh means there is at least 4 spins in between EACH ONE IN A COMBINATION pointing to the bet selection.'  9 October 2010.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #40 on: December 27, 2015, 07:03:55 am »
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  • Here is an example of the matrix pairs...

    ab
    cb
    cb
    ac
    cb
    ba
    cb
    ca
    ac

    It seems to me a valid approach ( flat staking) might be to always aim for the opposite ( ie change) once a cluster has formed..

    a cluster could be for example

    ab
    ba
    ba  with say 3 spins being the minimum definition of a 'cluster' which here is an ab-ba cluster - do you see this?

    After this you could play for a switch to cc ( being 4 targets), ie 4 individual numbers. Even if you scored a half hit, ie bc you would win by playing a D+C/ EC cover bet in some circumstances.  This needs further research of course, but I will have a look tomorrow. I have already coded a 200 spin initial live spin sample test.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #41 on: December 27, 2015, 08:41:59 am »
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  • Well now that you mentioned the AA BB  CC and AC etc.... the way that in understood at the time was that, when you look at each dozen and column and what kind of Even Chang has come out in it then over 18 spins or more, it looks like this -, ( Ps, Z = Black.).

    DZ1 ZE ZO ZE ZO ZE ZE ZE
    CL2 ZO ZE RO ZO ZO

    DZ3 ZO ZO RE RE ZO RO
    CL1 ZE RO RE ZO RO

    DZ2 RO RO RO ZO RO ZE
    CL3 RE ZE ZE

    --

    DZ1 ZE ZO ZE ZO ZE ZE ZE
    DZ2 RO RO RO ZO RO ZE
    DZ3 ZO ZO RE RE ZO RO

    CL1 ZE RO RE RO RO ZO
    CL2 ZO ZO ZE ZO ZO ZE ZE ZE
    CL3 RE ZE ZE

    So it can be that only Black is showing in an dozen. As you can see it looks more stable this way. However some dozens or columns could be more choppy but then in another dozen or column its more stable.



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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #42 on: December 27, 2015, 07:59:49 pm »
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  • Okay thanks Carlitos.  I think I understand that approach.  This application appears to provide more 'stability'/ 'consistency' and by breaking the outcomes unfolding spin by spin, and putting them in certain categories of D+C, and by focus on say black as the dominant target focus (if appropriate) then over a short 'cycle' of outcomes, say less than 20, then a short cycle dominant pattern may be revealed.

    So I take it after say 6 or 7 outcomes in one line of selected spins ( say under the category Doz 1, then Col 2) the short cycle dominant in that line may be revealed, soon enough to enable a short gain of say up to +5 units.

    By doing this you are forming a selection of a game ( or pattern) within game.

    As far as I see it, this has some valid use in short cycles if the player is looking to simply gain +3 to +5 units, maybe more. 

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #43 on: December 27, 2015, 08:02:48 pm »
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  • Over the coming days I will publish a few more of this applications/ derivations, and with the benefit of time and hindsight we might see some valid applications, and out of fun and genuine interest, I will publish some results over the coming week. Thanks Carlitos and RLogic for your interest and valuable contributions.

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    Re: Swiss Dreams
    « Reply #44 on: December 28, 2015, 05:31:16 am »
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  • By the way in order to remind you of the pairs matrix by CS1968 this is the core attribute....

    aa    ab    ac     doz 1 a

    ba    bb    bc     doz 2 b

    ca    cb    cc      doz 3 c

    col   col   col
     1     2     3
     a     b     c