Hey guys..
Now I got your attention lol...
Okay ... So here's what I mean...not that I have a million dollar to start playing Bacc rather
- if you have enough seed/unit/start money ($5 to $8k) every time when you went to casino then your odds of winning at Bacc is much much much greater then having to start out with only $1,000.00 - and your goal is to reach $2k win!!
I noticed that ever since I increased my casino marker I been winning more consistently at $2k per trip.. Of course I start out around $3 to $4k always.
What do you think?
I once stated it's easier to reach 900 from 300 than 3000 from 1000. It's even harder to reach 20k from 10k. IMO
For me, reward = risk.
Bigger BR will provide you longer session/progression, but the risk is bigger too.
How many times I've experienced, bringing 4k to get 1-2k, then after few days lost the 4k. Need more time to collect big BR.
And as always, there's no guarantee bigger BR will make you walk as a winner.
But, that's just IMO.
Thx
Wait... So are you guys saying I can not beat casino and bring them down to their knee?? Lol...
Thanks for good cold hard fact...yes I do agree..but having larger bankroll and aiming with lower winning has better chance to walk away as winner IMO.
Quote from: Drewm on June 14, 2016, 01:57:02 PM
Wait... So are you guys saying I can not beat casino and bring them down to their knee?? Lol...
Thanks for good cold hard fact...yes I do agree..but having larger bankroll and aiming with lower winning has better chance to walk away as winner IMO.
Yes! It is hard for you to win $600 with $2K but winning $600 (even $900) is so much easier with $10K-$15K. But winning $4500 with $15K is harder to win than winning $600 with $2K, in my experience.
How much "long term" patience, discipline do you have??
Compare going to a casino and playing $10 units with a $1000 bankroll, you should be pretty safe no? Well not always.
How about 'Punter A' plays $25 units with a few $kk bankroll, more or less same as above.
OR, how about 'Punter B' $25 units with an $8k bank, which of the two is less likely to bust out?
The problem usually is for 'Punter B' say $1k per day is not enough, they fail to see that after 8 days, will be risking none of their own money. Does it get boring raking in $6~7k per week, tax free?
Big bankrolls are great, so long as you don't jump in betting $500 chips to get noticed and impress the table and staff, this is what they want and expect you to do, therefore do the opposite.
Can't type anymore as the above has already taken 30 mins to type due to lockups and freezes, sigh...
The higher the bankroll, the easier it is to go on full tilt-patience and discipline need to be used at every level of bankroll.
Stay thirsty my friends.....
Quote from: MarkTeruya on June 14, 2016, 04:32:25 PM
Can't type anymore as the above has already taken 30 mins to type due to lockups and freezes, sigh...
I agree. The editor is really flaking out lately.
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Most cats ain't got nearly enough bankroll backin their play and that's the number one reason why most cats ain't never gonna win well and regular at the dice/bac style speculation, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on June 15, 2016, 03:44:24 AM
Most cats ain't got nearly enough bankroll backin their play and that's the number one reason why most cats ain't never gonna win well and regular at the dice/bac style speculation, hey hey.
I do agree with you!!! You need bankroll to win it is one of big reason.
Alrelax is right in many aspects. As in business as in baccarat, if you cannot handle small money, what makes you think you can handle big money? Perhaps the strategies may need to be different when bankroll is small and when bankroll is big. But instead of wallowing in self pity and what might have been, 'When life throws you lemons, make lemonades!!'
The rate of success of entrepreneurs is less than 5%, I would venture to guess. I don't believe it can vary much with professional baccarat gamers. So, there is a chance albeit a slim chance. But it is not beyond achieving.
All the best. And apologies if I hurt anybody's feelings.
Quote from: alrelax on June 15, 2016, 11:42:08 AM
To win what?
I have seen many, countless players win a couple to few hundred with the same kind of buy-in. Win a couple to a few hundred with $100 buy-in's at a $10 or $25 table in the Midwest.
True if you are trying for a $5,000.00 win with a $200.00 buy-in chances are slim. But a $200 to $400 win or so with the same $200 buy-in is very realistic. Also a $200 to $400 win with a $8k buy-in is very easy with a quick parlay on one side until it wins, and chances are you will succeed. Just the problem of the mind where almost all would not stop with a $400 or $600 win with risking $8k, etc. But the potential loss factor with the tilt and frustration setting in for most (not all) is so much greater with the larger bankrolls. IMO, experiences and observations.
Exactly what you and other guy saying... I feel it is easier once you have bankroll then win..however it is not easy when to walk away... You have to realize when it's right time to quit once you are ahead... That's all
Somebody on this forum had difficulties with a small bankroll of
@US$500. I wired over US$2,000 and it was all gone asap. Well, 2k may still be small but ...
Yours truly used to be a high roller. Now I am merely a whale.... But like is said, every individual is unique and one man's meat is another man's poison. If only we could give the meat to the correct person. I had offered a profit sharing scheme to 2-3 persons here on this forum if they come over to the far east. One don't fly. Another turned it down and discussing with yet another.
Big bankrolls can become small. Very fast.
Quote from: Lung Yeh on June 15, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
Somebody on this forum had difficulties with a small bankroll of
@US$500. I wired over US$2,000 and it was all gone asap. Well, 2k may still be small but ...
2K is a lot of money but it is consider minimal for $10 table. If you're on $25 - $50 table, it is way too small. Someone will claim that it's easy to win with that kind of bankroll. I'm sure everyone on certain occasions can win easily with that. When we're talking about consistency though, that is a problem.
To win consistently with a large bankroll, you still have to keep the winning goal relatively small. Another great factor as Alrelax mention is the human factor. MOST person bringing in 8K might think a 400-800 win a day is too small. I can win streaks of 7-20 days and I am willing to leave with 5-7% wins. My only trouble as Alrelax mentioned is going on tilt on the losing days. Half of the time, I can remain cool and grind my way back but the other half, patience is all out the door when you're dealing with large bankrolls. I had one of those days last night.
Quote from: Lung Yeh on June 15, 2016, 12:15:28 PM
Alrelax is right in many aspects. As in business as in baccarat, if you cannot handle small money, what makes you think you can handle big money? Perhaps the strategies may need to be different when bankroll is small and when bankroll is big. But instead of wallowing in self pity and what might have been, 'When life throws you lemons, make lemonades!!'
The rate of success of entrepreneurs is less than 5%, I would venture to guess. I don't believe it can vary much with professional baccarat gamers. So, there is a chance albeit a slim chance. But it is not beyond achieving.
All the best. And apologies if I hurt anybody's feelings.
I am not sure if I would agree with small and large money management. Sure some people can't manage small or large but with small, you might not even have a chance to do anything. Imagine a person barely making enough to pay bills, it would be hard for that person to save enough to start a business.
Sure the person can get a business loan but I'm sure not all will succeed on the first try and who will give them a 2nd or 3rd chance. With large money, you might have 3 or more chance to fail unless you go all out on your first business venture.
I read and heard the rate of success of entrepreneurs is around 5-10% but we might not really know the exact. Even within those that succeeded, a small percentage nearly went bankrupt before succeeding. I follow a lot of success stories and realize how close it came to us never even hearing about these people had luck did come to help them out. Most people think is easy when they read about the thousands of inspirational stories of those that succeed and not realize that not even a hundred of the failure out of the millions that failed will go on public to tell their story.
The rate of success for Baccarat is probably less than that. I have played this game over a decade and I only see about 5 other person that I started with that still plays. Not a single one of those that claimed to be masters of the game is any where to be seen.
Quote from: Babu on June 15, 2016, 04:18:27 PM
2K is a lot of money but it is consider minimal for $10 table. If you're on $25 - $50 table, it is way too small. Someone will claim that it's easy to win with that kind of bankroll. I'm sure everyone on certain occasions can win easily with that. When we're talking about consistency though, that is a problem.
To win consistently with a large bankroll, you still have to keep the winning goal relatively small. Another great factor as Alrelax mention is the human factor. MOST person bringing in 8K might think a 400-800 win a day is too small. I can win streaks of 7-20 days and I am willing to leave with 5-7% wins. My only trouble as Alrelax mentioned is going on tilt on the losing days. Half of the time, I can remain cool and grind my way back but the other half, patience is all out the door when you're dealing with large bankrolls. I had one of those days last night.
Well, that's what happened to me. Take any win, small win, 5-7% is enough. Then any losing session will wipe out the whole winnings, and your BR.
Been there too.
Win $400-800 with $8k maybe small for some, but how about winning $400 with $400 BR?
I choose the second. How about you?
Well, just Quick update on this subject, for past month or so I been up consistently 1k - 4K per session; can be 1 to 3 hours playing at $100 upto $700 per hand... Using my "method" lol...
Anyhow, I do agree all you guys - aiming for lower winning always works(well most of time) when working with large BR and when to walk way.
Quote from: Garfield on June 16, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
Well, that's what happened to me. Take any win, small win, 5-7% is enough. Then any losing session will wipe out the whole winnings, and your BR.
Been there too.
Win $400-800 with $8k maybe small for some, but how about winning $400 with $400 BR?
I choose the second. How about you?
Sorry for getting back to you late on this. I missed this post somehow. Win $400-800 with $8k maybe small for some because those able to bring $8K to gamble is probably well off so they winning that about is not enough especially when they don't go daily.
I still prefer the large bankroll because of the style that I play. I find it absolutely hard to win with $400 even on a $10 min bet table. I did bring only $300 on some occasions when I keep losing. Once with $300, I manage to build $12K in a few weeks. I won $300 on the first day. My BR became $600 on the 2nd day. Then I won another $300. My bankroll became $900. After that I would win $400-$600 on some days as my BR increased. I capped my bankroll after $4K and try to win at about $300-$600 a day and some days more if I get lucky and win really early. Some days I would even win $1200. So during that nice run, I manage to win $12K. Although I manage to lose almost all of it back.
I never worry about tryin to capture so much profits per session/day. I just put in my six shoe per day and let the profits come to me, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on June 25, 2016, 05:11:28 AM
I never worry about tryin to capture so much profits per session/day. I just put in my six shoe per day and let the profits come to me, hey hey.
Sometimes you're smarter than your grammar teacher. I do hope me telling you that doesn't jinx you!
Yeah....thanks for sharing ... And I pretty much figure your experience would me similar to mine. I'm glad I made right decision... If I didn't lend my "friend" so,e money then I wouldn't know how to ask money back unless he volunteer paying me back...
One of the reasons it may be true that it's harder to double, triple, or more a small bankroll vs a larger sum is because there is more room for play, and you forget to stick strictly to your unit size.
When you are playing nickels or quarters it's not to tough to double your unit size and strictly adhere to whole unit bets. However, when your unit size is 4 red chips or 3 green chips or any combination of higher denominations then there becomes a great deal of room to make partial unit bets. And you end up diluting your gains with less than full unit bets.
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