This is the Baccarat version of PB. Its nothing new but I thought it may help some ppl in their play
Ok so the Patterns for Player and Banker are as follows
PPP
PPB
PBB
PBP
BBB
BBP
BPP
BPB
This is how I play it.
1. I track the outcomes in groups of 3 (PPP etc)
2. Then when Three of the Four Patterns for either Player or Banker have hit We bet the next 3 outcomes won't be the last remaining Pattern to hit. I will give examples of this
3. I also play in layers. I will give an example of this later
4. Any time a Tie hits just ignore it as its just a Push (money back)
Ok so lets look at Player outcomes
Examples of Results,
PBP PBP PBP PPB PBB
So now we have 3 out of 4 Patterns hit with PPP unhit
We now bet that PPP will not hit in the next 3 outcomes, so the Bet is BBB
Its the exact same for Banker
Examples of Results,
BBB BPB BPB BBB BPP
So now we have 3 out of 4 Patterns hit with BBP unhit
We now bet BBP will not hit in the next 3 outcomes, so the bet is PPB
Ok layer betting. On some shoes you will get the chance to have more than one bet, here are some examples
BBB BBP BPP BPP PPP BPB BBP BPP BPB
That looks like this, for Banker results
BBB x
BBP x x
BPP x x
BPB x x
The x represents how many times a Pattern has hit
The first bet would of been PBP as BPB was the first Pattern to have not hit then following on once BPB hit the following results
left BBB unhit in the second layer so the bet is now PPP
Sometimes you will get a 3rd layer bet, and its played the exact same way. You are always betting that the remaining unhit Pattern won't hit in the very next 3 outcomes
I find playing 2 shoes at the same time to be the best way to play
I always begin at the very start of a Shoe after a Shuffle
Enjoy !
Im currently on a 30 win Streak, playing at Paddypower Normal Table and their VIP Table 8)
Any easy to grasp explainations on how to play baccaratt?
QuoteAny easy to grasp explainations on how to play baccaratt?
Search is your friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baccarat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baccarat)
Quote from: subby on November 29, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
Any easy to grasp explainations on how to play baccaratt?
sNubby (why the N ??) (2CS??) You don't need to know mate, that's the ease of this game
Watch it play at Paddypower or a Live Casino of your choice
Once you play it and see you never lose to Zero (Tie is a Push) you will wonder why you have never tried it before !
I love it 8)
haha, after readin ghta iki thing I am still none the wiser. Do you have to "beat" the croupier? beat another person? Get a score UNDER something...or OVER something??
Hello Twisteruk...
Do you play this "Hit and Run Style", like the JL way of playing PB. And if so roughly how many a day have you been playing to get your 30 wins without a loss.
subby and snubby
There are complicated rules. I've played for years and I don't understand them. Basically, it's a coin flip. You bet banker or player. One of those will win or they will tie. If you don't bet tie, you get your money back. Ties pay 8-1. There is a 3% vig at Dublin on the Banker as he wins more often.
This is a game where you just forget the rules and wait for the coin toss. You are not dealt cards; there is no decision to make like hit or stand. You just back your horse and wait. And you won't wait long. It's a fast mother goose!
Sam
QuoteGet a score UNDER something...or OVER something??
Your target is 9 in total or to be the closest to it, tie you don't win or lose player pays even money and banker pays 19/20 so its best to play as player, if you bet for a tie its usually 8/1 payout, go to dublinbet and play the demo mate
I did some today at BV.I use to add one Euro every deal until plus. Got 26 today. Losing streak can last. I see it a bit as EC on roulette, but somehow a bit
easier to win. I do not like to play it as I like roulette.
If you keep playing bac you'll see the patterns manifest themselves
differently than they do in roulette. In the end the law of series has
them come out the same, but while you're playing they come a little
strangely sometimes. Dealing down a shuffled deck is not the same
as starting the sequence fresh with every new spin of the roulette
wheel.
Quote from: Tarantino on November 29, 2012, 04:23:57 PM
Hello Twisteruk...
Do you play this "Hit and Run Style", like the JL way of playing PB. And if so roughly how many a day have you been playing to get your 30 wins without a loss.
I play the full Shoe or until its obvious there won't be another Layer bet
I play 2 Shoes and usually get *about* 6 bets per 2 Shoes
Yesterday I played all day as had alot of free time and won 27 Units, today I've had less time and played just 2 Shoes to get another 3 Units
I will play some more tonight 8)
Quote from: subby on November 29, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
haha, after readin ghta iki thing I am still none the wiser. Do you have to "beat" the croupier? beat another person? Get a score UNDER something...or OVER something??
It doesn't matter mate if your playing PB
Just follow the selection and bet lol
As others have said if you get 9 you can't be beat only tied, however you can win with a score of 1 also
Also if you bet Player you get paid Evens if Banker its 0.95 to 1
IE bet £10 and win 9.50
Quote from: spike on November 29, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
If you keep playing bac you'll see the patterns manifest themselves
differently than they do in roulette. In the end the law of series has
them come out the same, but while you're playing they come a little
strangely sometimes. Dealing down a shuffled deck is not the same
as starting the sequence fresh with every new spin of the roulette
wheel.
Hi spike
Can you expand on that and explain why ?
QuoteDealing down a shuffled deck is not the same
as starting the sequence fresh with every new spin of the roulette
wheel.
I guess he means the roulette wheel stays at 37 slots on offer but the deck has different card values all the time and towards the last deal you would/could maybe estimate sort of what's left, although there's a good few decks being used similar to BJ as far as I know, haven't studied it deeply but have looked at Bac in the past
Quote from: Superman on November 29, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
Your target is 9 in total or to be the closest to it, tie you don't win or lose player pays even money and banker pays 19/20 so its best to play as player, if you bet for a tie its usually 8/1 payout, go to dublinbet and play the demo mate
I've always wondered why the Player bet is so underrated - it's like a 49.3%/50.7% edge in Bankers favour, Player pays evens, but so many systems & players seem to pile on Banker all the time.
Even winning on the last step of a 1-2-4-8 marty on Banker will see you only winning 0.6 of a unit - any sort of spread betting on Banker seems a nightmare.
Would it not be better to base all your bets on trending/betting etc Player only - I don't get the obsession with Banker??
Quote from: monaco on November 29, 2012, 08:55:25 PM
I've always wondered why the Player bet is so underrated - it's like a 49.3%/50.7% edge in Bankers favour, Player pays evens, but so many systems & players seem to pile on Banker all the time.
Even winning on the last step of a 1-2-4-8 marty on Banker will see you only winning 0.6 of a unit - any sort of spread betting on Banker seems a nightmare.
Would it not be better to base all your bets on trending/betting etc Player only - I don't get the obsession with Banker??
Maybe. Try it and let us know :thumbsup:
QuoteI don't get the obsession with Banker??
Probabll because in our mind he's the enemy so if we can side with him, surely the casino relies on him eventually coming out ahead, not so?
It's not a good idea to just stick to one side of anything. ie.. RED/BLACK or PLAYER/BANKER. You are going to get shoes dominated by one or the other and will get slaughtered if you stick to a losing side.
Update:
38 Games Played 38 Games Won :cheer:
Im due a loss 2moz me thinks :o
Yes there is a slight difference but with six decks it is minor. If a number in roulette shows it can show a number of times, a card which is not put back will not show next hand.
Yes I think they use 6 or 8 decks
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 29, 2012, 07:07:38 PM
Hi spike
Can you expand on that and explain why ?
The roulette wheel starts over on every spin,
its an independent event. In bac, the shuffled
shoe is done, it doesn't start over with every
card drawn, you just deal down the shoe. This
makes for some screwy outcomes in the short
term sometimes. Clumping is one of them. You
never get clumping in roulette, not possible.
What throws everybody off is yes, in the long run
the law of series works out the same for roulette
and bac. But often in the short term in bac you
see some really whacko cards come out.
Quote from: Superman on November 29, 2012, 09:09:08 PM
Probabll because in our mind he's the enemy so if we can side with him, surely the casino relies on him eventually coming out ahead, not so?
or it could be this -
House edge excluding ties:
1.36% on Player and 1.17% on Banker :)
Im gonna play this system twisteruk and will keep u informed on how im doing. Very interesting way of playing, you ever played roulette this way, as in splitting it into 2 parts !
don't understand all the rules for Bacarrat as in, big road, big eye boy, small road and cockroach, but know the basics !
Do you wait for a shuffle before you start or do you just dive in whenever ...
Quoteyou ever played roulette this way, as in splitting it into 2 parts !
Isn't that what even chances are all about?
Quote from: Tarantino on November 30, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
Im gonna play this system twisteruk and will keep u informed on how im doing. Very interesting way of playing, you ever played roulette this way, as in splitting it into 2 parts !
don't understand all the rules for Bacarrat as in, big road, big eye boy, small road and cockroach, but know the basics !
Do you wait for a shuffle before you start or do you just dive in whenever ...
You don't need to understand it mate. Just play PB and your be fine :nod:
ALWAYS after a Shuffle and begin at the start of a new Shoe :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 29, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
Update:
38 Games Played 38 Games Won :cheer:
Im due a loss 2moz me thinks :o
Yup had me first Loss >:(
42 Games Played 41 Games Won
Suck it up...move on....take the hit and come back fighting another day. We've had 6 total losses in Speramus but grinding out units has let me increase our BR by over 30% in 3 weeks ;)
Quote from: subby on November 30, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
Suck it up...move on....take the hit and come back fighting another day. We've had 6 total losses in Speramus but grinding out units has let me increase our BR by over 30% in 3 weeks ;)
I did :thumbsup:
Well done on your 30% increase sNubby ! :applause:
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 30, 2012, 01:45:09 PM
Yup had me first Loss >:(
42 Games Played 41 Games Won
Twister you are pretty hard on yourself when it comes to wins and losses. I picked up on that a while back. Let me tell you 41/1 is superb. And even if it fans down to 12/1. At the end of the day I always say.
A profit is a profit. We are doing what we arent supposed to be doing. We catch the heat from the maths squad who maintain we are on borrowed time. And we are due to give it all back soon. That's where they make their big mistake. Randoms taking a portion of the profit back.
Once in a while. But its never going to have it all back. Not with a method like PB. Its TOO CONSISTENT..... :forbidden: :forbidden: :forbidden: :forbidden: :forbidden: :forbidden: :forbidden: :forbidden:
Any updates on your PB Baccarat play Twister?
I also really like the idea of playing PB 4 DL on Baccarat but do not know if it is possible.
AMK:
Twister is having connection problems.
I'm sure he'll answer you when he's back online -- could be a while, though...
Quote from: esoito on December 17, 2012, 06:17:27 AM
AMK:
Twister is having connection problems.
I'm sure he'll answer you when he's back online -- could be a while, though...
Thanks for letting us know Esoito, its been a while since I saw his presence on here. I was wondering why.
Quote from: Tarantino on November 30, 2012, 01:11:43 PM
don't understand all the rules for Bacarrat as in, big road, big eye boy, small road and cockroach, but know the basics !
Do you wait for a shuffle before you start or do you just dive in whenever ...
Sorry for coming into this thread a bit late but .. . . . .
The terms Big Eye, Small Road, cockroach, etc are merely terms to describe certain patterns that most Asian players seem to really dwell on. Nothing mystic here nor even part of the game, it's merely symbolism to describe a pattern.
At the table, as well as online, you can jump into a current shoe at any time. No need to wait for a new shoe unless you prefer to play that way.
Myself? When I play online (live dealer only, of course) I can see what the tote board is doing as it presents the previously played hands. If it looks like a shoe that I can work with, I'll jump in. If the shoe is showing nothing that I like, I can go back to watching Star Trek and finish off paying bills and things like that.
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Is anyone still doing this system in baccarat? are there any results on a big sample of shoes or actual play?
All,
I've noticed in this particular thread that there is a lot of confusion about the game as it is played.
Some find the "rules" confusing, others don't really understand how the wins are computed and a few more are confused as to why people bet on different sides.
First off, the Banker hand has nothing to do with the Bank (or casino). The Player hand has nothing to do with the player (that would be you). The ruling powers could have just as easily named them "Frick and Frack", "Tom and Jerry", "A and B", "Red and Blue" or just about anything else describing two events. It just so happens that Player and Banker are the terms and this is derived from another version of the game where you actually CAN be the true Banker of the game against everyone. But that is not important here.
Most people state that to win you have to be "closest to nine" to win. Well, that's true, but it's not the way baccarat players look at it. The winner is the hand with the highest total and it just so happens that this makes it closer to nine than the other (losing) hand. The reason the "nine" pops in there is because "nine" is a natural hand and wins automatically (unless tied with a nine in the other hand). So, for the time being, just think of it as "highest hand wins" and you'll be all set.
On the drawing rules. This is what generally throws most people off of the game. They say its too complicated. I can remember who gets the draw card. I can't remember the 667 rule. I can't remember the 83 rule. Yada, yada, yada.
Hey, deal with it. You play the game (or at least practice it at home) for two days and I guarantee you'll know the arcane drawing rules forwards and backwards. Of course for those two days it helps to have a printed cheat sheet sitting next to you so you actually do know when to draw and when not to (during practice when you're actually dealing out cards).
Once you learn those rules, they'll be in your head for a long time. I seen several dealers draw cards when they weren't supposed to and usually only one or two players will catch it and call it. ESPECIALLY if the incorrectly drawn card results in a losing hand for them! If it gives you the win, keep quiet!!
There's no need to type out the rules. Just Google "Baccarat Rules" in the images area and about 2000 pictures will come up that you can print out and read along as you deal cards to yourself.
Which side to bet on? Take your pick. The drawing rules favor the Banker hand and most people seem to gravitate to the Banker hand because they heard somewhere that Banker always wins more hands. Well, it's kind of true but a good way to get your bankroll handed over to the casino if you chase that way.
If your roulette game is based on EC, baccarat is made for you and there's no Zero involved. Ties are returned so there is always a winner and a loser, short of a tie. You can never have both sides lose!
If you don't believe that a lot of Players can show up in a shoe, how about this one that was recently played? My online (live dealt hands) casino pushed this one out and I was lucky enough to be there when it happened. The circles are the hand result. See how your EC system would do on it. I wandered on into the shoe around hand 9 and starting playing at hand 14. This was a very unusual shoe in that there were only 3 small runs on Banker with two of them being twos!
Hopefully we can get a few more people interested in the game. I pretty much gave up serious roulette probably 5 or more years ago. The vig on the American roulette wheel was just too much to overcome, at least for me.
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http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/ (http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/)
Here i find drawing rules chart ,,, when to stand and when to get one more hand ,,, same as basic strategy for blackjack ...
Also with program to play baccarat for fun, good for practice.
This is from wizard of odds site.
http://wizardofodds.com/play/baccarat/new/ (http://wizardofodds.com/play/baccarat/new/)
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^^^^^ High 5
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Who is John Galt ?
has anyone tried this at a casino?