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[soxfan]

That seth cat's latest blog entry is the must read for serious cats, hey hey!
http://targetbetting.blogspot.ca/

[from100]

Hey, thanks!

[Jimske]

The caveat with Seth is always the same thing.  Bailey also who maintains the same defensive strategy a necessary part of his progression concepts.  That caveat is know when to quit and regroup else you'll end up way over your head.  "Rational Self Defense" is the way Seth terms it.  The necessity of this relegates the game to subjectivity.  But only because of bankroll and max bet limitations.  Nevertheless, that's our reality which precludes any truly sure win mechanical method.

Seth, "Money management is the key, and the key depends on discipline and consistency."

Enter tight, or nearly flat bet play.  (Like Gr8's 7 step cancellation prog for example).  It's all the same!  MM and discipline are required to win.  One could win the same amount of $ using tight or deep progression.  Just depends on the unit size.

No matter what we choose one thing is clear, deep prog or tight play we are NOT going to get back losses with small bets!

Baccarat is a betting and guessing game.

J

[Gizmotron]

So what else is new: "Bet Big while you are doing good, bet small while you are not doing good"

After an opening loss, bet 5x the previous bet (PB).
After a second loss, bet PB/2 and do the same after a third loss.
If losses continue, repeat the bet (NB=PB) until a win, then apply the LTD+ rule.

After an opening win, bet 2x (NB=PBx2), and keep doing that after each successive win until the bet hits $200.
When the win progression (WP) x2 limit is reached, NB=PB+$100 until a loss ends the winning streak.
When an opening winning streak ends with a loss, NB= the lesser of PBx2 or PB+$100 and LTD=PB.
If losses continue, freeze the bet (NB=PB) and continue doing so until a win calls for the LTD+TGT rule.

Doubled wins (meaning any wins greater than the value of the original bet) do not affect the NB value, but doubled losses change the NB value to match the prior loss (-1, -1, -1, -1x2, -2, -2, -2x3, -6 and so on).

After a push (about 9.0% of all bets at blackjack), double the bet (NB=PBx2) to a maximum added value of $100, and do the same after a dealer natural except if a 2x bet would be due anyway (see above), in which case, add $100 (NB=PB+$100) on top of the doubled value. Treat any dealer 21 as a push, and respond accordingly.

I'll try again. Every rules based system will run right into a perfect sequence that will kill it. Fixed rules is a Sucker's bet.
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Bottom line: If you bet randomly, you will probably lose; If you bet progressively, using a consistent strategy that includes rational self defense, you probably won't. The casinos know this, and you should too.

I couldn't agree, IMO. I've already explained Randomness.

[soxfan]

So what else is new: "Bet Big while you are doing good, bet small while you are not doing good"

I'll try again. Every rules based system will run right into a perfect sequence that will kill it. Fixed rules is a Sucker's bet.
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I couldn't agree, IMO. I've already explained Randomness.

No balls, no bankroll, no shot, it is that simple, hey hey.

[21 Aces]

Bet more win more.  I consistently play better bigger, but I will take the following any day:
- Easy progression.
- Strong table with professional drivers.

In any one try at a progression, if you win one and bet the right way you could have a lot of upside with the worst case being a slight setback or back to square 1.

One day I just want to cruise the tables with some boats and have that basic win amount be a lot.  I like pretty chips.

[alrelax]

but I will take the following any day:
- Easy progression.
- Strong table with professional drivers.

I have no idea where you play or the length of time at the table of the 'professional drivers' or how long they played.  But in my years of playing, A.C.; Vegas; Reno; Southern CA; South FL; Midwest; and CT, the more professional and the longer they play, they are just as common to lose as everyone else and even more so.  Yes there are spectacular plays and short times a 'pro' wins, but personally, I would wager my short term quick payoff money on the newbie and the guy that sits down and has absolutely no idea what the game is about.

Following anyone consistently is a great way to always lose, watch how often those people are changing their money and repeated buy-ins.   

[greenguy]

One day I just want to cruise the tables with some boats...

I would wager my short term quick payoff money on the newbie and the guy that sits down and has absolutely no idea what the game is about.

We are all lost at sea then..

[Gizmotron]

No balls, no bankroll, no shot, it is that simple, hey hey.

Any programmer can sim the rules and prove it's a losing proposition. If you have balls prove me wrong. Hey Hey!

[marinetech]

Any programmer can sim the rules and prove it's a losing proposition. If you have balls prove me wrong. Hey Hey!

he has already stated he uses discretion which cannot be programmed.......IMO, he is a recreational player.

Someone may ask why i think that and I will tell you why. If you had a system, something like he says he has had for 30 YEARS, why would you be on an internet forum unless you are just sad and lonely? Do you get your jollies off telling people you make x amount, etc? It don't add up. 2+2=4, not 5. Something smells...

Again, you could build your roll, travel the world, go to macau with the BIGGEST limits and be on your way...Instead, constantly posting and ranting about the clown seth who bets with an imaginary 5000 units and unlimited bankroll...

Nah, i don't believe it....

[Gizmotron]

he has already stated he uses discretion which cannot be programmed.......IMO, he is a recreational player.

Someone may ask why i think that and I will tell you why. If you had a system, something like he says he has had for 30 YEARS, why would you be on an internet forum unless you are just sad and lonely? Do you get your jollies off telling people you make x amount, etc? It don't add up. 2+2=4, not 5. Something smells...

Again, you could build your roll, travel the world, go to macau with the BIGGEST limits and be on your way...Instead, constantly posting and ranting about the clown seth who bets with an imaginary 5000 units and unlimited bankroll...

Nah, i don't believe it....

That's it, recreational player. I just said what I did not to offend him but to warn others that might fall for it. A complete and full explanation of his discretionary tactics might save this discussion and it would be very interesting to hear what he has to say. Hey Hey!

[soxfan]

he has already stated he uses discretion which cannot be programmed.......IMO, he is a recreational player.

Someone may ask why i think that and I will tell you why. If you had a system, something like he says he has had for 30 YEARS, why would you be on an internet forum unless you are just sad and lonely? Do you get your jollies off telling people you make x amount, etc? It don't add up. 2+2=4, not 5. Something smells...

Again, you could build your roll, travel the world, go to macau with the BIGGEST limits and be on your way...Instead, constantly posting and ranting about the clown seth who bets with an imaginary 5000 units and unlimited bankroll...

Nah, i don't believe it....

Nice to see that the john-O has made the scene, again, hey hey.

[Jimske]

That's it, recreational player. I just said what I did not to offend him but to warn others that might fall for it.

This is funny!  So is calling someone a "recreational player" supposed to be some kind of put down?  Or are you trying to say that you are the "real" pro?

And fall for what exactly?  That you got to be a disciplined skillful player to win this game?

Can we please get Aces21 and Alrelax in on this thread?  I'm a little bored today and I need some more fun stuff.

J

Come on Aces - I'm sure you got a few gems!

[Jimske]

I have no idea where you play or the length of time at the table of the 'professional drivers' or how long they played.  But in my years of playing, A.C.; Vegas; Reno; Southern CA; South FL; Midwest; and CT, the more professional and the longer they play, they are just as common to lose as everyone else and even more so.  Yes there are spectacular plays and short times a 'pro' wins, but personally, I would wager my short term quick payoff money on the newbie and the guy that sits down and has absolutely no idea what the game is about.

Following anyone consistently is a great way to always lose, watch how often those people are changing their money and repeated buy-ins.

I got to agree, Al!   LOL - yeah really, no kidding.  Aces hasn't figured that out yet.

It's anecdotal but yeah pretty amazing how many times you see some totally fresh player walk up and score good not having a clue!  hehehehe

[21 Aces]

HAHA that is rich. You guys are that weak that you actually want to find someone who has never played and follow them because they have beginner luck?   

The fact of the matter is that you can piggy back on any one player or players regardless of tenure.  Something about baccarat that is completely lost on poker players.  Hey a hot hand is a hot hand...  Over the past couple days, I have had floor managers, dealers, and other players go out of there way to say a little something or do things that really helped me get through some very, very crappy situations.

These observations can be made in any arena where money is put at risk...

Excuse me, I want to see how good I am at baccarat and whether I can teach someone easily. Want to try?