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[Rolex-Watch]

My play has me believing:

-winning 3 units each and every day= plausible
     -and with 100 unit bankroll = highly unlikely

-playing 365 days x 3U = 1095units/year and risking only 100U would be bliss

-"averaging" 3U a day is attainable using :RolexWatch's "hard" play among many others.

If I could guarantee myself 3 units per day without risking nerve wrecking draw-downs, without the need of a 5 figure bankroll, I would play 500 units.  Alas I can't, so don't even go there, also sometimes I lose! 

1095 @ 500 = half a mill yearly income, yeah okay I'll be having some of that, if it was more than just a fantasy.

[soxfan]

A bankroll of 100 unit should be plenty when usin a positive progression jsut lookin to capture three unit per day. And the good thing about the positive progression is that it acts like flat betting when losing but gives ya that extra oomph in profits when winning. The positive progression willallow you to win with a striks rate under 50 percents, hey hey.

[Bac2Bac]

I am still stymied on the 100U lifetime bankroll and being able to win 3U a day.

      - I couldn't "guarantee" myself 3u a day
      - maybe I could "average" 3U a day and that would be a stretch for me
      - I'm thinking more like a 1000U lifetime bankroll

How can it be done with just a 100U lifetime bankroll ?
     - I'm beginning to convince myself that I'm the second best Baccarat player in the world
       And everyone else is # 1. LOL

[ezmark]

Soxfan, Do you favor a 30% to 50% positive progression so that you increase your bet amount about 30% - 50%,  similar to  ...  3u, 4u, 5u, 7u

When do you take your profits ? 

[soxfan]

I pose this question because I actually played this style with mostly good result. And yes I did manage to capture my three unit per day, most often, but some days it just wouldn't come. So, my stop loss was in terms of time expenditure and I'd only play five shoes, per day, no more. And the worst drawdown I had to buck up against was 27 unit in a session though I maanaged to cut that deficit in half before I walked outta the joint. And, as far as progression I used positive with first thee bets being 1-1-1.5 unit. That way ya never lose with the w-l outcome and a wwl captures half a unit, to help toward yer three unit win goal, hey hey.

[Sputnik]

That sound great.
I never tought you could make 3 units each day as the game has negative expectation.

Cheers

[Bac2Bac]

Thanks for the clarification soxfan.

I feel better understanding that the 3U a day
win comes about most days not everyday.

[Jimske]

I pose this question because I actually played this style with mostly good result. And yes I did manage to capture my three unit per day, most often, but some days it just wouldn't come. So, my stop loss was in terms of time expenditure and I'd only play five shoes, per day, no more. And the worst drawdown I had to buck up against was 27 unit in a session though I maanaged to cut that deficit in half before I walked outta the joint. And, as far as progression I used positive with first thee bets being 1-1-1.5 unit. That way ya never lose with the w-l outcome and a wwl captures half a unit, to help toward yer three unit win goal, hey hey.

The 11 1.5 is the start of the Guetting and with it a fair chance of getting 3 units. But you need a bit of a run or some small runs.  It can easily go nowhere but it doesn't lose much.  I have used it.  A no pressure bet scheme.

[andrebac]

I want to add a consideration. I am a smal-ball player, I mean I play to get 1 to 5 units per shoe.
I try to go for 5 or more if it's a good one but as soon as I lose, I exit that shoe.
its important that your stop loss is adequate, you cannot aim for 3 units when winning and losing 10 in a bad shoe. if you are aiming to 3 you must lose at least 4 max 5, then exit. that way if losing and winning shoes balance, your bankroll doesn't suffer too much!

[roversi13]

Some comments:
-1)baccarat has a negative EV.It means that you pay VIG at each hand.
-2)even with an EV=O,casino wins because his bkr is higher than bkr of each player(see google for formula) and because there is a maximum bet allowed
-3)to bet a small unit having a big bkr is pure suicide(see google for formula)
-4)stop win and stop loss must be at the same level (almost no player do that)
-5)play only a few hands per shoe(0 - 5 max)
-6)use bet selection you want(useless but OK for discipline)
-7)use conservative progression(max 5 units)
-8)bankroll 10 units,win goal 1 unit,best compromise for me,but against rule 4)
-9)bkr 100 units,stop win 3 units.Possible,not every session and sure loss middle/long term(see google for formula)...LOL

[ezmark]

Trip report.
I flat bet four shoes.
The short of it. I won 3 units early in the first shoe,
I continued to play being I flat bet only $15.
by the end of fourth shoe I lost 4 units.
I didn't bet every hand. usually 6 bets per shoe.
Will see if I can recover and gain 3 units next trip. 

[gr8player]

The short of it. I won 3 units early in the first shoe,
I continued to play being I flat bet only $15.

When you're looking to pick up just a few units per session or per day or per trip, then you'd better make those units sizes sufficient to satisfy your personal session/day/trip win goal(s).

It appears that you've just learned that the hard way, Ezmark, when you continued betting after you achieved your 3-unit goal, all because it was "only $15" units.

I'm not necessarily saying that you should raise your unit size.  I am saying, however, that I would take a deep look inside of myself, and honestly answer whether it was the win goal you were truly after, or, alternatively, was it the "action".  Why else continue betting after hitting your win goal?

[Trbfla]

That's a great post gr8.....I've had to look inside myself many times to answer that very question.....discipline for me is key so it's something I've had to battle within myself...

[soxfan]

I agree with the gr8888888one, and anyone playing this style should be workin with a minimum of a single black chip base unit. And, I also pose this question cuz I just read the Conquer the Casino book and the author come to some interesting conclusion, hey hey.

[roversi13]

With a slight edge,the player,using minimum flat bet,wins in the long term.
It's mathematical,not my opinion
You are right when you say that,in spite of the edge,the player must overcome big drawdowns,maybe higher than his bankroll.
The same situation exists when a given table of Roulette of Baccarat loses for several weeks in a row,in spite of positive EV.
But Casinos don't care:their bkr is very huge...