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[alrelax]

Would be nice to get a real world stat on the following:

After a Fortune 7 (Banker winning with a 3 card total of 7) what is the next hand, Banker or Player?

I have been involved in discussions with a good dealer at a casino that is also a baccarat player at other casinos.  He claims, he says that he wagers an entire Fortune 7 win on the Banker for the next hand after the F-7 appeared.  He says, he prevails at it numerous times.  No stats of course.  I have seen and witnessed the highest majority of the hands following an F-7 cut to Player.  Of course, I play at the tiniest trivial amount of casinos and time as compared to all the casinos 24/7.

The real kicker is, the past several weeks, there has been more and more continuing Bankers after an F-7 at this particular casino, where he works and I play.  We have been involved in this discussion for about 4-5 months now I think. I am very conscious of this  because after I hit an F-7 win, I would normally wager about 20-25% of the F-7 win on the Banker with max on the F-7 for a back-to-back F-7 or at least a continuing Bankers with a nickel or two out tot he side for the dealer on each the F-7 and the Banker.   

Can anyone run this scenario? 

Would like to see what 500-1,000 or 5,000 shoes or more produces for this. 

[alrelax]

Would be nice to get a real world stat on the following:

After a Fortune 7 (Banker winning with a 3 card total of 7) what is the next hand, Banker or Player?

I have been involved in discussions with a good dealer at a casino that is also a baccarat player at other casinos.  He claims, he says that he wagers an entire Fortune 7 win on the Banker for the next hand after the F-7 appeared.  He says, he prevails at it numerous times.  No stats of course.  I have seen and witnessed the highest majority of the hands following an F-7 cut to Player.  Of course, I play at the tiniest trivial amount of casinos and time as compared to all the casinos 24/7.

The real kicker is, the past several weeks, there has been more and more continuing Bankers after an F-7 at this particular casino, where he works and I play.  We have been involved in this discussion for about 4-5 months now I think. I am very conscious of this  because after I hit an F-7 win, I would normally wager about 20-25% of the F-7 win on the Banker with max on the F-7 for a back-to-back F-7 or at least a continuing Bankers with a nickel or two out tot he side for the dealer on each the F-7 and the Banker.   

Can anyone run this scenario? 

Would like to see what 500-1,000 or 5,000 shoes or more produces for this. 

[Bally6354]

Alrelax, Here are 100 shoes with all the card values and results. Pretty neat to check out what you are looking for. 

[alrelax]

Alrelax, Here are 100 shoes with all the card values and results. Pretty neat to check out what you are looking for. 

You mean I have to read through the entire list and make notes as to the hand following an F-7 win if it winds up being P or B???

Yes, it snowed here all day yesterday and last night, the guys are clearing our parking lot with our front end loader and a skid steer, I am not going out there!  But can do other things inside, LOL.  Lord, I thought this was an EZ program for say, XYZ times Banker or XYC times Player after an F-7??

[Bally6354]

It's not that bad, lol. 

They do a good layout really. Pretty easy to read and go through it quickly.


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[alrelax]

Ted's in the middle of Cambodia in the jungle looking for snakes to fry up for my upcoming trip, maybe I can delegate this to him to spend some time inside studying?? 

[alrelax]

My mind doesn't grasp programming or system testing I assume.

Personally have no idea what the 11's-12's and 13's are in one card spots?

As well the number next to the P or B final on the extreme right??

[Bally6354]

The 10, 11, 12 and 13's are just face cards.

So looking at hand 9.  First player card '10' = 0. Second player card '11' = 0. Third player card '2'. So the total player hand = 2.

The bank had a 5, 6 and 2 for a total of 3. So bank wins 3 vs 2. The winner B or P is located at the far right hand side. The number to its direct left is the final bank score.

[Ted009]

LOL, talking about snake, I was offered a snake meal yesterday and no thank you..
I saw our Hollywood star eating crickets and whatsnot, I am not ready to eat those stuff yet..
I want thank everyone who is genuinely helping the members like me learn how to be a better player. Special thanks to Alrelax as well for your continuous contributions to help members like me.
I have concluded that to be a consistent winner, I must have the knowledge and skill  and apply them at the tables when I play. Sufficient bankroll is also important but without the knowledge and skill, bankroll alone won't help.
Cheers!!

Ted's in the middle of Cambodia in the jungle looking for snakes to fry up for my upcoming trip, maybe I can delegate this to him to spend some time inside studying?? 

[Sputnik]

Stats are stats.  Won't change for those shoes you ran or played live. 

What I am saying and I know I am not wrong, is that the order of the shoes--meaning the order of the events that happened, will not and cannot be the same at the table in a B&M.  That cannot change, correct me if I am wrong--PLEASE.

So you sit down and you find a 70%-80% stat.  What is the assurance you will sit down with real money in a B&M and those same prevailing hands come in any kind of order.  You can very well be sitting down at the continuous 30%-30% time at the tables waiting for those stats to come forward. 

My perspective is not same as yours - i measuring the periodic events or average bias length of states - and my expectation is the same in real casino when i target short bias states to win ...
I can also predict what coming next with conditional values where one past state include at least one event out of two into the future event and is not only happening with RNG or TRNG it happens in a real casino ...

So your point is another and i don't use patterns or common stats - i base my game on Ecart or Z-Score values that show me the strength behind bias states.

[alrelax]

There will always be a debate about opportune times and repetitiveness of stats whether from a computer such as we are talking about or previous games at the same B&M, etc. 

I personally ran the Fortune 7 question I proposed earlier this morning.


In some ways close to a B&M and in some ways not so close.  But then again, if you play long enough you will see it all.  Such as times I have played no Fortune 7's for 7 entire shoes and well into the 8th.  Then series of shoes with only 1, maybe 2 F-7's and then 4 to 6 in each shoe.  So, yes---when and if, certainly applies 100%.

I ran through the pages quickly up to about hand 4200 which should equate right around 52.5 shoes.

69 Total F-7's. 

Bankers prevailing after an F-7=41 Times
Players prevailing after an F-7=28 Times

I did not mark down how many shoes had B only or P only after an F-7, that would be another way to look at it. 

Hand 437 which equate to about 5.5 shoes, there was approx. 8 F-7's.
Hand 1002 which equate to about 12.5 shoes, there was approx. 21 F-7's.
From Hand 2659 to 4200 there was 23 F-7's. 

31 Shoes into this series there was something that mimicked something that happened to me almost exactly a few weeks that I wrote about, that Back to Back F-7 I experienced for the first time.

I believe the F-7 was made and then a Tie and a repeat Tie came at.  Then 4 hands later another F-7 came out and a back to back F-7 came as well.  This was hand 2551 to 2558 on the sample here I downloaded of the 100 shoes.

In my B&M casino I believe I hit an F-7 about less than 10 hands after that, probably like 7 or 8 or so, there was a tie.  Then my 2 Back to Back F-7's came. 

I had the a great F-7 with a 'skip tie' back a couple of months ago, where I had that $50 table max on F-7 up and 3 nickels for the dealer and hit the 'Skip Fortune'.  Where we had an F-7, then a tie and then another F-7.  I wrote about that also if you recall.

Within this sampling of 100 shoes, I went through right at 52-53 shoes.  There was several times, there was a tie immediately after the F-7.  What is unique was that 3 of those ties cut to Player and another 3 ties cut to the Banker for the immediate hand after the F-7.

[alrelax]

LOL, talking about snake, I was offered a snake meal yesterday and no thank you..
I saw our Hollywood star eating crickets and whatsnot, I am not ready to eat those stuff yet..
I want thank everyone who is genuinely helping the members like me learn how to be a better player. Special thanks to Alrelax as well for your continuous contributions to help members like me.
I have concluded that to be a consistent winner, I must have the knowledge and skill  and apply them at the tables when I play. Sufficient bankroll is also important but without the knowledge and skill, bankroll alone won't help.
Cheers!!

I know you eat that snake!  It's okay big guy!  The wife and her family eats some kind of bugs they put in their food at times, soup--not me, better not place them things in mine.  If I am on the interstate and get a fly or something flying in my mouth I go ape-bananas!  Oh well. 

As far as the experience, it depends the way you use it.  There will be winning and losing times.  Anyone that tells you they win like the last 39 or 46 times straight, I rather not engage conversation with, I have been around casinos far too long to gossip, etc.  But the real experience is to recognize the situation what is presenting itself, and when that situation is winning-that is the time to pour it on and accelerate like the devil from hell is chasing you with a fork and a fire blaze. 

[AsymBacGuy]

So Al you are asking if after a fortune 7 hit the probability to get banker the next hand is somewhat increased.

The probability to get a fortune 7 is 1 to 43.4 against; about 25% of those fortune 7s are composed by 0-0-7 (0=zero value cards) and, at a very far inferior degree 0-2-5 or 2-0-5.

Since we are betting after a very selective situation, we could argue that itlr that 7 caught by banker to hit the fortune 7 slightly reduces the probability to fall into the P side on the very next hand. And a 7 is a quite good Player first card.
Additonally, most of the time a fortune 7 is the product of a symmetrical hand (the exceptions are when B has a 6 and the third card is a 6 or 7). That means that the probability to get on the next hand an asymmetrical hand (favoring the banker) is slightly enlarged.

Of course anything could happen as card combinations are almost endless but the condition of betting in such rare circumstance again again and again might very slightly increase the probability to get another Banker hand.

Once I've read somewhere that everytime the banker stands after giving to P side an 8 or a 9 as third card (no matter the result), the probability that itlr the next hand will be Banker is slightly increased. This seems to be true.

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[Sputnik]

Hello Bally - i buy Baccarat Buster 2 - but did not find a download link after paying with paypal - so i email Dennis and wait for reply.

Cheers

[Bally6354]

Hello Sputnik,

Yes, when I first bought it, I remember it saying the download link would e on the Paypal page, however I couldn't find it. So I clicked back to the Upperhand.com homepage (even though I know it says not to do this) and there was the download link for the software.

Hope this helps....

cheers