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[twinriverdlr]

 Has anyone on this site use baccarat buster2 ? I was looking for software and came across this seems interesting.  Please only serious responses. Yes I am a real casino dealer.

[Bally6354]

I have this bit of kit and I really like it. They have a deal on at the moment knocking 33% of the price if you buy the download version. So it comes in at $99.00

There are loads of different features for playing, high speed testing, crunching the stats etc...

One of the main selling points is that you can choose to have the cards shuffled anyway you like. So it mimics what you would expect to get in a real life B+M Casino. I used to test loads of systems (admittedly not over a large enough sample) on random.org which performed brilliantly. Took them to the Casino and they fell down pretty quickly a lot of the time.

Anyway, I will try and show a few of the features of this software in more detail over the coming week.

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cheers

[Sputnik]

Looks like a good baccarat software - maybe i should buy a copy - at the moment i use RX for simulations.

Cheers

[Bally6354]

Here is the 'High Speed Testing Feature'

You can get as many shoes as you want quickly.

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cheers

[Sputnik]

Hello Bally6354 - does it has a summary for placed bets with peaks and drawdowns charts - does it have overall graph over winning and loses when you play by hand - what else does it do ...
This look like a very good simulation tool.

Cheers

[Bally6354]

Hello Sputnik,

It does have a very comprehensive Session Analysis page with a lot of different features. However, it doesn't have the peaks and drawdowns chart similar to the extreme roulette software.

Here are a few pics of some of the features from the analysis page after I ran 5 shoes.


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More than enough different features to see what's going on below the surface.

They used to offer a free 7 day evaluation copy from the 'myupperhand' website. Unfortunately that didn't work when I tried to download it. Maybe they have fixed it now. They are easy to reach though and pretty helpful.

cheers

[Bally6354]

Another nice feature is the 'Best Bets' results.


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I ran 50 shoes this time (took a few minutes)

The top result was betting for P after PBPP

PBPP happened 142 times in the 50 shoes and you would have won 84 times and lost 58 times betting for a P to follow for a gain of +26.

It will be interesting to run multiple batches of 50 shoes and see if anything repeats up near the top on a consistent basis. You could argue it shouldn't playing in a random fashion. Who knows?

That's me finished plugging this bit of kit, lol. However, if anybody wants any stats pulling up and I can do it, ask and you will get it.

cheers

[21 Aces]

I have it and the difficulty I had is that if you have a complex set of rules there are limitations.  That is, the rules you set up can only go so deep.  It would be great to expand this so there are much higher limits.

[alrelax]

Please believe if nothing else!

Stats, research, playing with different possibilities and all that.  All great, fun, interesting, etc. 

But, just remember one thing if nothing else.

What you are doing no matter in groups of 25, 50, 100 or 5,000 shoes or whatever the number---will not be represented at the B&M casino real-life wagering table.  Even if you find a 90% something or heck, a 100% something.  Those shoes played will not be the shoes in a casino.

With that said, research and familiarity with what can happen----great, yes.  Convince yourself you found the possible holy0grail because a machine told you so---you will go broke 100%--how quick or how long before that happens, don't know--but it will happen because you will be looking for something that exists, just doesn't exists in the order being dealt out by the bank that has to pay it out. 

[Sputnik]

What you are doing no matter in groups of 25, 50, 100 or 5,000 shoes or whatever the number---will not be represented at the B&M casino real-life wagering table.  Even if you find a 90% something or heck, a 100% something.

This is not true - i don't use patterns and i explore the bias using different states - they can come as tiny, medium or large waves of events - and the same is happen in my local casino where i play.
There is no difference when you measuring results from real casino from games like Baccarat, Craps, Roulette. The states with the bias events is the same and not different in any way.
So i can compare any RNG results or TRNG results with Real Casino Results and there is no difference.

If i did not have the ability to study and search and measuring random bits before real play i would not play - as i would not have any expectation when placing my bets.
But i can agree that the simulation software above does not all function you need and the common way to look at stats does not make you a winner.

Cheers

[alrelax]

This is not true - i don't use patterns and i explore the bias using different states - they can come as tiny, medium or large waves of events - and the same is happen in my local casino where i play.
There is no difference when you measuring results from real casino from games like Baccarat, Craps, Roulette. The states with the bias events is the same and not different in any way.
So i can compare any RNG results or TRNG results with Real Casino Results and there is no difference.

If i did not have the ability to study and search and measuring random bits before real play i would not play - as i would not have any expectation when placing my bets.
But i can agree that the simulation software above does not all function you need and the common way to look at stats does not make you a winner.

Cheers

Stats are stats.  Won't change for those shoes you ran or played live. 

What I am saying and I know I am not wrong, is that the order of the shoes--meaning the order of the events that happened, will not and cannot be the same at the table in a B&M.  That cannot change, correct me if I am wrong--PLEASE.

So you sit down and you find a 70%-80% stat.  What is the assurance you will sit down with real money in a B&M and those same prevailing hands come in any kind of order.  You can very well be sitting down at the continuous 30%-30% time at the tables waiting for those stats to come forward. 

[alrelax]

I don't have this program, I might very well get it??  But I have ran other stats myself and had many 'programmers' do it with programs as well. 

With stats, I don't see how you can get a 'rock-solid' result that can be wagered on that will (WILL) prevail time after time. 

Let me explain what I am getting at.

1)  I agree with you that the stats will be the same, even 100% the same and will prevail the exact same if those shoes were instantly transferred to a casino you were able to wager on.  However, the order of the cards, the shuffle, the cut and the back cut reserved cards will generally all be different. 

2)  Because of a different order of cards coming out to form hands, those 25 or 50 or 250 shoes you ran on the program test will alter from the results of the ones being played live.  It has to be, the order of the cards cannot produce the same (SAME) results, impossible.  At times, might appear close or even a section or two with the same, but not the entire shoe or shoe after shoe.  Utterly impossible.

3)  If you stats of 50 shoes say, produced a number of 60% there will be a Player after P-B-P-P, etc., it was produced because of a certain order of the cards that came out, that same order will not be the definitive result at the live B&M casino shoe after shoe.  Cannot be and will not be.

4)  If you have the same shuffle with the same order of cards, the same cut point, the same amount of cards reserved in the rear, the order should be the same each and every time because there are no optional draws.  However, once you change the shuffle, the order of cards and the cut point--the order of the hands being made will change.  There might and there might not be coincidences but to get the same result of certain outcomes, shoe after shoe would be utterly impossible. 

Again, research-exploring-familiarization with results and variance, etc., are all good.  When you start attempting to find key trigger because of a computer program is producing 'so and so' slightly more than 50% of the time, I think it is a far fetch of wishful thinking anyone is trying to transfer from program to casino. 

[alrelax]

Another nice feature is the 'Best Bets' results.


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I ran 50 shoes this time (took a few minutes)

The top result was betting for P after PBPP

PBPP happened 142 times in the 50 shoes and you would have won 84 times and lost 58 times betting for a P to follow for a gain of +26.

It will be interesting to run multiple batches of 50 shoes and see if anything repeats up near the top on a consistent basis. You could argue it shouldn't playing in a random fashion. Who knows?

That's me finished plugging this bit of kit, lol. However, if anybody wants any stats pulling up and I can do it, ask and you will get it.

cheers

I have sat shoe after shoe and have seen rare 3's on the Player in that scenario.  Then at other times there was plenty of 3's, yes.  I could not tell you the stats on each and every time that I played, of course not.  However, I do watch the '3'rd spot enournoumesly because it is a key trigger with many--either repeating or cutting on the possible 3rd repeat. 

On the lighter side, if a player had one, possibly two key triggers such as this, and he could refrain himself from any other wagers in a B&M (I think extremely hard and next to impossible) but yes it is down once in a while, the advantage would raise in your favor no matter what the scenario was you choose to believe in and wager on.

There is a lot more to winning key triggers or favorable wagers than the stat themselves.  Their are psychological and variance that will always come into play that the gambler has absolutely little to control over except not playing.   

[Bally6354]

Alrelax, you have made some good points and I think you are right of course that it would be dangerous to go into a casino with a pre-planned  notion of looking for specific triggers. I did that many years ago when playing roulette and it worked well until it didn't. 

I wrote a post in my blog titled 'The Law of Disproportionate Occurrence'. One of my favourite quotes from that text is the following.

''Though the whole is still equal to the sum of its parts, the parts themselves are not simply abbreviated versions of that whole.''  This sums up my philosophy towards any game any of chance. It's just a matter of using whatever tools/concepts you have at your disposal to identify the strong plays that are currently happening and dip your toe in the water to see if it continues. Crunching the stats to see that different theories are possible is encouraging.

cheers

[alrelax]

Alrelax, you have made some good points and I think you are right of course that it would be dangerous to go into a casino with a pre-planned  notion of looking for specific triggers. I did that many years ago when playing roulette and it worked well until it didn't. 

I wrote a post in my blog titled 'The Law of Disproportionate Occurrence'. One of my favourite quotes from that text is the following.

''Though the whole is still equal to the sum of its parts, the parts themselves are not simply abbreviated versions of that whole.''  This sums up my philosophy towards any game any of chance. It's just a matter of using whatever tools/concepts you have at your disposal to identify the strong plays that are currently happening and dip your toe in the water to see if it continues. Crunching the stats to see that different theories are possible is encouraging.

cheers

Yes 100% to a point AGREE!

I wrote it more the protection of those that would go buy the program and invest lots of cash to 'win' that easy money.  People get side tracked from reality merging info/data from others and themselves into ammunition to make easy $$$ at the casino.

Sure (SURE) 1,000,000% I have triggers that stick like glue at times, and other times those same exact trigger are going like a group of street walking prostitutes in NYC on the west side when a blue and white NYPD car rolls down the street and they hear that warning whistle from their pimp.  Same, no different.