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[Garfield]

I play @ SBObet online with live dealer, held by First Cagayan PHI. They used pre-shuffled card and then hand shuffle by the dealer before going into the shoe. Sometime they even used the same deck, hand shuffle only. But only for one or two times max.

I believe Casino wouldn't have to manipulate the result. First, they know the house always win. Second, even if some pattern/bias appear in the shoe, there is still Gambler Fallacy. Not everyone will see thing the same.

But, I understand there are some thing happened beyond my understanding. Maybe I haven't seen much in this bacc world. Where many impossible things happened a lot.

Just sharing the experience.

[Garfield]

I also have talked to a friend who used to work in the online casino. He said that they DO make an arrangement so that some player WILL lose because they make it that way. They have the prog that could do that.

It make me think to use 2 player style of play. If one is suffering several LIAR, the other simply reverse the BS with larger unit.

Because in my experience, I have considered to change my BS when I'm facing several LIAR. But the fear of "How if the next one is the right ones?" always show up.

Yes indeed some stated that this is a game of mind, not technique, not edges, not math, no statistic etc.

Or maybe this is just a game of luck? 

Funny how I often win when play paper bet, but lose if play with real money. 

[Wewin2222]

Jimske- I think you need to answer your own question, I really don't have time for people who are judge mental and want to attack a person reputation. Frankly life is just to short to deal with people like that.

Wewin2222

[Jimske]

Jimske- I think you need to answer your own question,

What question is that? The "Why are you here one?"  I already answered it iniitially - To toot your own own.

I really don't have time for people who are judge mental and want to attack a person reputation. Frankly life is just to short to deal with people like that.

Wewin2222

You sure had plenty of time to lead people in a wild goose chase!  I've seen similar methods where people have transposed the P B and make trend bets on same so I didn't bother to pay much attention except to recognize from the get go that you were a poser who would soon bail so I copied the stuff for the group..  But a lot of guys did.  You came in with a promise and claim then bailed out.  Some may not want to ruffle your feathers thinking you have something to offer but I know better.

FACTS?. The nonsense about casino orchestrated cheating through shuffle machines is just that!  One can believe they have the ability or not but your "theory" is based on no hand shuffles.  So what casinos do you or anyone go to that doesn't do at least one hand shuffle after the cards come out of the shuffler?

Hello?  Anybody home?

J

[21 Aces]

I saw an awesome block of 3's BBB PPP BBB PPP...  Working on it.

[Jimske]

I saw an awesome block of 3's BBB PPP BBB PPP...  Working on it.

Play often enough and you'll see it all.  I've seen 3's repeat 4 times.  5's too.  Seen 23 P IAR; seen a 17 and an 18 IAR P and B respectively in one shoe!  The weirdest one I got to say is I seen the 1-2 pattern hit about 14 times IAR once in AC.

[marinetech]

Last night the last 15 hands were PB PB PB PB PB PB PB TIE. Nice 2x2 and a tie to end the shoe.....

[21 Aces]

These are all very juicy.  Maybe we need to carry along a baccarat scrapbook/ journal.

[ADulay]

I also have talked to a friend who used to work in the online casino. He said that they DO make an arrangement so that some player WILL lose because they make it that way. They have the prog that could do that.

Garfield,

  Did your friend explain just how they manipulated a live dealer game so that a particular player would lose?

  AD

[21 Aces]

Who believes a side can take control and show power? 

What about hands following natural 8's and 9's? 

Regular 8's and 9's?

Power side being checked by ties?

[Garfield]

Garfield,

  Did your friend explain just how they manipulated a live dealer game so that a particular player would lose?

  AD

They said they have some kind of program. It is an online casino based in Cambodia / Myanmar if I may recall it. Don't know the detail, but worth to consider.

[Eight Iron]

What about hands following natural 8's and 9's? 

Regular 8's and 9's.

Removing 8's and 9's supposedly improves the possibility for Player to win the next hand, but not by any significant amount.

Especially after only one hand.

[AsymBacGuy]

Removing 8's and 9's supposedly improves the possibility for Player to win the next hand, but not by any significant amount.

Especially after only one hand.

That's correct. In fact 8s and 9s are just one class of cards helping B side (or better sayed, more damaging P chance), so the 8s-9s/other cards ratio won't help a lot.

For example, a deck particularly rich of 8s and 9s along with a lot of zero value cards does help the P side bettors for two reasons:

1- there will be more natural points, so reducing the asymmetrical hands number mathematically favoring the banker.

2- while a P hand won by a natural is 1-1 payed, a B hand won by a natural is 0.95-1 payed.

So whenever a deck is particularly rich of 8s-9s and zero value cards the theorical less disadvantaged move is to bet the P chance. A real nightmare for banker lovers.

as. 

[Eight Iron]

That's correct. In fact 8s and 9s are just one class of cards helping B side ....

For example, a deck particularly rich of 8s and 9s along with a lot of zero value cards does help the P side bettors for two reasons:

........

So whenever a deck is particularly rich of 8s-9s and zero value cards the theorical less disadvantaged move is to bet the P chance. A real nightmare for banker lovers.

That seemed contradictory at first, since you first agree that removing the 8's, 9's benefits the P side, but add that a shoe that is particularly rich in 8's and 9's, could also help the P side.
According toe A.P. Heat, when the 8 or 9 is dealt as the first or third card of the hand, Player has the advantage.
When Banker is dealt the 8 or the 9 as the second or fourth card, Banker has the advantage.
If the bettor knows the first card will be a 9, he has a 21.528% advantage.
If he knows the second card will be a 9, he has a 20.641% advantage.
Those percentages seem to favor Player in an, 8,9 rich situation.


http://apheat.net/2012/08/13/baccarat-the-known-card/

[AsymBacGuy]

That seemed contradictory at first, since you first agree that removing the 8's, 9's benefits the P side, but add that a shoe that is particularly rich in 8's and 9's, could also help the P side.
According toe A.P. Heat, when the 8 or 9 is dealt as the first or third card of the hand, Player has the advantage.
When Banker is dealt the 8 or the 9 as the second or fourth card, Banker has the advantage.
If the bettor knows the first card will be a 9, he has a 21.528% advantage.
If he knows the second card will be a 9, he has a 20.641% advantage.
Those percentages seem to favor Player in an, 8,9 rich situation.

http://apheat.net/2012/08/13/baccarat-the-known-card/

It seems contradictory because to get a sort of advantage we need to count ALL the cards, not just two ranks.
The known card is a different matter I've already talked about in my blog.

For example, a deck very rich of 8s and 9s with no zero value cards will raise the winning B/P probability for both the reduced naturals apparition and the enhanced probability to get asymmetrical hands where 8s and 9s more often than not damage the Player two-card drawing point.

To get a better idea I suggest to take a glance at this link

http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/calculator/

Here anyone can manipulate the deck at will, nonetheless the opportunities to get a kind of advantage are so rare and so unlikely that this should be done just for curiosity purposes.

as.