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[TheMagician]

Let the board know when you have entered into Excel =2^70 for the number of possible combinations for a 70 hand Baccarat shoe, of course I wouldn't expect you to highlight all the errors on my post (other than the 5 streak expectation which ASBAC  already did so).

Looking at your mathematically ridiculous answer, realizing that you still don�t get it why the Wizards chart of how many times each selected combination can show up in 8 Decks is correct and your elementary probability formula that is based on a completely wrong supposition tries to outmatch that,  is like watching an unintelligent fit a square peg into a round hole. You would fit nicely in a laboratory with apes, but then you would probably make them laugh LOL

Let's take an example with poker. How many possible hands of 5 cards can be dealt from a deck of 52 cards? The answer is 2,598,960 combinations. Now how did I calculate that simple combinatorics problem, can you show me that?

What I am saying is very simple;  for each calculated "hand" permutation related to the total availability of 8 decks, he does calculate correctly, moron, hence his correct chart that in total are in the quadrillions and not your ridiculous ignorant sextillion answer which is based on a completely wrong supposition.

[Mike]

The OP's question "Can anyone figure out how many possible outcomes (assuming an "outcome" is a permutation) exist in a shoe of baccarat?"  is quite clear, and Lugi answered it correctly. Magic man answered a different question to the one actually posed.

Thomas, if you're going to correct someone's calculation, be sure to actually understand the question before answering it, otherwise it makes YOU the moron, lol.

[TheMagician]

You really wanna start something with me again, Mike? The wizards chart was a perfect response and correct to the t. Luggiboys was not.

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

Hi Lugi,
With respect,
Since English not my 1st language,  and I try very hard what you try to teach.
You say, your only nemesis is streak5, and streak1, 2, 3, 4, 6= win,
How and why only streak5= loser? How you win with the others?

You may email me  weirdenglishwriter@gmail.com
Thanks in advance

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Gentlemen,
In a shoe, next 70+ hand,
Say,
Bpbpbpbpbp also a streak,
bp=streak2
bpb=3
bpbp=4
bpbpb=5...
and so on

Thus streaks of, 12345...of same or chops, MUST HAPPEND,
and very obvious in every shoe..

Star System take advantage of streak2, the only debacle, as I see it, imho,
it bet every hand, thus succumb to the extreme variance,  and if it could outwait certain degree of long extreme, then it will hit better rate itlr.

Streak3 also must happen, we could take advantage by utilising ftl, or dbl, whether betting same or chops.
When streak3 hit, we win 2 in row, thus parlay the bet...
Say, in next shoe, of eg.75+ hand, we need 75units chip, If we, bet every hand, then if streak3 never hit, we lose all 75u,
If streak3 hit, then win1, parlay the winning plus 1=3, =6u minus2=4u ...


If we only bet, 1 side, say , only bet Player, risked 75units.
Any 2in row of p=6u, 75÷6=12.5

We may bet only 2in row, stop, wait for banker hit, the resume to bet p.
Or keep betting p, hoping for streak4, 6, 8, 10, 12   .......

Streak4=win twice,
Streak6=win thrice
Streak8=win 4.....
And so on.

Or betting both p and b, when they hit first,  hoping for streak 3+
Say, now bbb....wait for p to hit,
Now p hit, bet for it to streak3....

Any ideas?

[alrelax]

Fact is reality. You are either predicting and guessing either the reality of the game or the mathematical and statistical side of the theories and numbers. Otherwise you're going to close your eyes flip a coin and pick a side according to heads or tails so that's the only two ways to play the game.   One is predicting with a form of guessing of some type no matter what it is like I said or blindly guessing, say flipping a coin or picking A or B out of your pocket and betting on that.

There's no other way to play it, none, zero.

[Johno-Egalite]

Looking at your mathematically ridiculous answer, realizing that you still don�t get it why the Wizards chart of how many times each selected combination can show up in 8 Decks is correct and your elementary probability formula that is based on a completely wrong supposition tries to outmatch that,  is like watching an unintelligent fit a square peg into a round hole. You would fit nicely in a laboratory with apes, but then you would probably make them laugh LOL

Let's take an example with poker. How many possible hands of 5 cards can be dealt from a deck of 52 cards? The answer is 2,598,960 combinations. Now how did I calculate that simple combinatorics problem, can you show me that?

What I am saying is very simple;  for each calculated "hand" permutation related to the total availability of 8 decks, he does calculate correctly, moron, hence his correct chart that in total are in the quadrillions and not your ridiculous ignorant sextillion answer which is based on a completely wrong supposition.

You really are the moron.  Who gives a damn about card values, but I see Mike has already addressed your idiocy.
Perhaps try to learn to read next time, BTW 1,180,591,620,717,410,000,000 is the correct answer.

The Michael's Wizard site from where you stole those figures from, doesn't even play the game and no attention should be paid to him concerning Baccarat, nor you.

[Johno-Egalite]

You really wanna start something with me again, Mike? The wizards chart was a perfect response and correct to the t. Luggiboys was not.

These are the cards you should stick to.

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[Johno-Egalite]

Hi Lugi,
With respect,
Since English not my 1st language,  and I try very hard what you try to teach.
You say, your only nemesis is streak5, and streak1, 2, 3, 4, 6= win,
How and why only streak5= loser? How you win with the others?

I never actually said that.

I said  my nemesis (you lose against) is 14% occurrence of any given 5 streak, 86% of the time you win against any given 5 streak, as well as winning against every other streak length (within a series of bets to be exact). 

You snare a win against the majority of any occurrence of a 5 streak. 


To answer your question, anti-streak would work, after any 5 streak switch to FLD.

When any streak stops at 5, you lose 100% of the time. I only lose to 14% ;-)

[Johno-Egalite]

Fact is reality. You are either predicting and guessing either the reality of the game or the mathematical and statistical side of the theories and numbers. Otherwise you're going to close your eyes flip a coin and pick a side according to heads or tails so that's the only two ways to play the game.   One is predicting with a form of guessing of some type no matter what it is like I said or blindly guessing, say flipping a coin or picking A or B out of your pocket and betting on that.

There's no other way to play it, none, zero.

Afraid you are totally wrong.

It is difficult to determine exactly what you mean by the statement;

"the reality of the game or the mathematical and statistical side of the theories and numbers". 

Yes I have mathematics on my side relating to the bet selection, as I've shown, in so far as much, I do not have to waste my energy wondering which side I will bet next, rather focusing my bet amounts. I do not bet every hand of the shoe by the way.

However your statement was preceded by the assumption I am either guessing or predicting?  Which I am doing neither.  To do so would be a utterly pointless exercise in any random game of chance.  I did already mention looking at the score board is a complete waste of time! 

"There's no other way to play it, none, zero."

are you sure about that comment?

Just because after your many years of playing, something has never dawned on you, it can't possibly exist or be true, is that right?

Just like myself, yourself no doubt along with all the other newbie who first start playing this game, must have lost a fair packet. So we go home tail between our legs, racking our brains trying to out-smart the casino and the game of Baccarat. Yes we try everything under the sun all to no avail, inevitably we look at predicting hands, card values, patterns, expected statistics and so on.  Eventually we have to accept we can not, never will be able to predict jack.    I realized and accepted that reality  many years ago, I wish it wasn't the case, however it is fact of the reality.

Therefore if we can not predict jack, then why even bother trying, never been in a situation were 'think' this side is going to win, and watch it lose 9-8, 9-Baccarat, tie on 9 even?  So much for that theory. 

So we have to approach the game other angles, which in your mind "none, zero" exist?   Hate to say this to the board owner, just because you don't know, doesn't mean it can't possibly exist, you're very much wrong to make that assumption.  I play using certain approaches to the game, precisely for the very reason you mention, to remove all the pointless guesswork, emotional energy draining aspects out the game. Finally there is 'none / zero' blind betting involved, not 1 single hand.   

[Johno-Egalite]

double post, please delete

[TheMagician]

These are the cards you should stick to.

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Emotional little monkey, aren�t you? I asked you a simple math question concerning poker and combinatorics and you failed to show me any shred of evidence that you have ever studied math, in any form, beyond elementary school (I doubt even that) LOL LOL



At least now I know what makes you tick, little monkey...

[Albalaha]

May I ask almighty Alrelax about use of this revelation? We knew outcomes are kind of uncountable. Now what?

[Johno-Egalite]

Why would I post Poker stats, I don't play the game.  Is this turning into a pissing against the wall contest because of the stats you pinched from Shackleford site were not relevant to the question posed in the thread? Is your ego really that fragile?

You sound like a sore loser, reduced to scamming snake oil in order to attempt to recoup years of gambling losses and I'm surprised the owner of the site allows you to pimp your gibberish nonsense here, trying to scam board members, because Alrelax knows to well along with every sane member, if anything actually worked, it wouldn't be for sale, plus he has posted in the past, all you sellers are scammers, period, no if's no buts.  Lowlife dregs of the internet gambling community, infesting boards wherever they appear.  Alas if the new board owner now wishes reverse his previous advice and give scammers free rein then so be it.

[TheMagician]

Why would I post Poker stats, I don't play the game.  Is this turning into a pissing against the wall contest because of the stats you pinched from Shackleford site were not relevant to the question posed in the thread? Is your ego really that fragile?

You sound like a sore loser, reduced to scamming snake oil in order to attempt to recoup years of gambling losses and I'm surprised the owner of the site allows you to pimp your gibberish nonsense here, trying to scam board members, because Alrelax knows to well along with every sane member, if anything actually worked, it wouldn't be for sale, plus he has posted in the past, all you sellers are scammers, period, no if's no buts.  Lowlife dregs of the internet gambling community, infesting boards wherever they appear.  Alas if the new board owner now wishes reverse his previous advice and give scammers free rein then so be it.

Nothing I have is for sale. It is freely available to the forums members in my own forum VRTech.  Some of them even come visiting here.

Now, concerning your gibberish and clearly rambling mental breakdown is a clear sign that you need to seek help. Maybe you have had a problem with your wife or GF or too many losses lately, or, as I suspect, your problems with booze where you 've might have tasted a bit too much of that whiskey before you wrote said monkey ranting 

[alrelax]

Can we just agree to disagree and not get personal?  Please?

Write what you both feel, defend what you write, comment and let it go. 

Even at the bac tables in a B&M casino, when there is a 12 plus streak of either B's or P's and there is heavy wagering on the streak side and someone comes running over and starts playing for the 'cut', etc., if he is attacked---we attack his betting strategy out loud, we do not attack him personally or why he is doing such, as a general rule.