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[gr8player]

I welcomed Al when he first got here, and continued to treat him more than fairly, whether I agreed with all the content or not.

Doesn't make me a better person than anyone else here; I simply trust my instincts as to whether or not I'm reading baloney.  And I am rather certain that Al is not baloney.  He may rub some people the wrong way....who here doesn't at some time or another?....but based upon his posted experiences I can tell that he certainly does play this game.

And, frankly, what more can we ask of any member/poster.  We may or may not agree with certain posts, but to me, it's the veracity of the member/poster that matters most.  Truth matters....whether or not we agree with content, that's more a subjective issue than anything else.

Yet some members/posters choose to attack what they mightn't agree with; and, even worse, attack the poster himself rather than just the message.  This, to me, is both wrong and inexcusable.  If you disagree with the message, feel free to open a discourse.  But it's always the wiser choice to keep it to yourself rather than attack the poster personally.

[AsymBacGuy]

I don't think casinos want to cheat at baccarat, anyway...

Maybe one of the best tool to alter the nature of the game by some preordered shufflings will be to enhance the likelihood to produce P hands.

Common sense dictates to prefer B side being 0.18% less disadvantaged itlr. Thus many players will be disoriented when P chance continues to be favorite over the counterpart. Moreover many players adopt a RTM strategy partially worthless whenever some card distributions favoring the less likely outcome will be continuously dealt.

Considering neutral the zero value cards accounting a 30.76% of the total deck, a card distribution clustered into bunches of very high cards and very low cards should raise the probability to get P hands and/or to lower the B advantage.

Whenever the deck is rich of very high cards, the natural points and standing points number will be increased and the asymmetrical factor favoring B side will be lowered.
So even if we win a hand on B side we'll pay an unnecessary 5% tax.

In a word, whenever the deck is particularly rich of very high cards the third card rule will lose much of its 8.6% long term effect.

The same thing happens whenever the deck is rich of very small cards.
We know that very small cards most likely will prompt a P third card hit, but now the deck rich of very small cards will enhance the probability to improve the P point making the B side to forcely stand in some occasions with many losing points.

Surely an actual "naturals" ratio well higher than the expected 34.2% percentage should suggest to bet P side because we are quite lowering the asymmetrical factor, thus we're trying to get closer to a perfect 50/50 proposition where we don't have to pay any tax.

The same should be true when the deck is rich of small cards as the likelihood to have either symmetrical spots and situations where the B standing will be hopeless is raised.

Imo, other preordered shufflings as very chopping shoes or very streaky shoes should help most players.


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[HunchBacShrimp]

I can see of no viable way to pre order the cards to confound a table of bettors. Unless they all bet the same exact way together.

I can see pre ordering the cards to counter 1 bettor, but you are taking a risk he/she doesn't change their bet selection.
It would have to be done on a hand by hand basis from the shoe, and that tactic doesn't involve special shuffling.

I can't imagine there is any benefit in waiting for an abundance of low or high cards to either bet P or B. The change in the house edge is infinitesimal. I can't see bettors losing more than usual just because the house edge on any bet approaches 0.00. A 50/50 game still means you win and lose half your bets. Plus variance is still alive and kicking.

How could one recognize an artificial surplus of P doubles over a natural occurrence of P doubles? How would the artificial thwart the bettor any more successfully than a natural occurrence? You certainly can't keep this imbalance going, or you form a pattern, and people will catch it, bet it and win it.

Besides, regardless of which side wins some things remain the same. Combined singles vs runs for instance. If B is suppressed and P is doubling more often, together one compensates for the other. I just don't see any pre order shuffle being strategic for the casino.

HBS

[AsymBacGuy]

I can see of no viable way to pre order the cards to confound a table of bettors. Unless they all bet the same exact way together.

I can see pre ordering the cards to counter 1 bettor, but you are taking a risk he/she doesn't change their bet selection.
It would have to be done on a hand by hand basis from the shoe, and that tactic doesn't involve special shuffling.

I can't imagine there is any benefit in waiting for an abundance of low or high cards to either bet P or B. The change in the house edge is infinitesimal. I can't see bettors losing more than usual just because the house edge on any bet approaches 0.00. A 50/50 game still means you win and lose half your bets. Plus variance is still alive and kicking.

How could one recognize an artificial surplus of P doubles over a natural occurrence of P doubles? How would the artificial thwart the bettor any more successfully than a natural occurrence? You certainly can't keep this imbalance going, or you form a pattern, and people will catch it, bet it and win it.

Besides, regardless of which side wins some things remain the same. Combined singles vs runs for instance. If B is suppressed and P is doubling more often, together one compensates for the other. I just don't see any pre order shuffle being strategic for the casino.

HBS

I quote.

Only very strong mix card imbalances could produce a sensible edge over one chance, my above post was just a theoretical thought. 

Anyway I think that the most part of the heavy betting players don't like too much the P side and high bettors whose action produces the most part of casinos profits by far prefer to play in the high stakes rooms where every deck is hand made shuffled.


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