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[HunchBacShrimp]

Slander, now that's funny! You casino managers have all the answers but I promise you, Cheating doesn't pay forever!!!

I am trying to be somewhat humorous. [smiley]aes/joking.png[/smiley] At your expense though.[smiley]aes/rose_wilted.png[/smiley]

I'm not a casino manager you dolt. I have also offered few if any answers, but have posed quite a few questions to you.

Cheating quite often pays forever.

House Edge could be considered as cheating, and it pays forever.
Gangs have been around for ever, and all they do is cheat their way around the law.
Cheaters who don't get caught ever are paid forever.
A single successful cheat, is a forever payment.

[soxfan]

Yup, time to break out the Guinness and cashew, hey hey.

[ADulay]

Actually it's time to settle down and get back to some sort of civil discussion.

The never ending name calling is getting old. 

If one doesn't like the conversation, just don't jump in.

Any "off the planet" claims, theories and statements will eventually fade away and if there is any substance to the discussion, it will continue on its own.

So, all of you experts, try to simmer down for a few days.

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[alrelax]

CORRECTION:

Casino uses house edge to cheat people out of money!!!!!!!


This is so unintelligent. The casino depends on a random game to win. If ever they deploy a non random game, they are exposed and vulnerable. If discovered by the players, much like yourself. Then a team can walk in, manipulate their bet selections to produce a predictable shoe and legally take the casino for every penny they have. The casino would either have to pay the team, or admit they were cheating.

It is a lose/lose proposition from win/win position. Only a fool of epic proportions like yourself would ever think it would be a good idea.

Pretty much the answer right there in short.

[Wewin2222]

I can understand why casino managers are so defensive when it comes to the automatic card reader / shuffler. They have too much to loose and that's the truth!!!

[ezmark]

Is there baccarat blackjack talk radio somewhere's ?  you guy's would be famous.
hey , I'd tune in  !  It's a great format, have guests from you tube with the newest ideas... etc.
special guests drop in,  Ellis and Keith can stop by , book reviews, the list is endless 

[HunchBacShrimp]

I can understand why casino managers are so defensive when it comes to the automatic card reader / shuffler. They have too much to loose and that's the truth!!!

Again, I'm no casino manager. Another false accusation. And you offer no evidence.

On the other hand I accuse you of being an imbecile. And for evidence I will submit your very own posts.

The casino has nothing to GAIN from cheating. They have a mathematical edge built into every wager. All they do is make money. The faster the deal, the faster they make it.

You are spewing unfounded lies. A paranoid conspiracy theorist. A Lunatic. To lazy to learn why you lose.
I suspect you have lost. And I suspect you are convinced there is no way you could have lost. And you are convinced the casino MUST be conspiring against you.

I suspect losing is a pattern for you. A pattern you cannot break.
A loser, losing his mind over his losses.

So tell me, how much was it? How much did you lose? What was your impossible to fail bet selection? Post the shoe that put you over the edge. Give me some more examples of people losing that shouldn't have lost. You said you had lots. Show me a shoe that doesn't make sense.

Show me something, anything other than why some pit boss would jerk your chain about reading players bet patterns and programming the auto shufflers to produce the opposite results.

Cause right now that's all I see. I see you as some paranoid ignorant gambler with a limited mental capacity that pestered some pit boss that doesn't give a fart about you or any other gambler during his off hours out of the casino until in frustration and meanness told you some wild tale he knew you would believe and flipping lose your mind over it.
And you have absolutely gone crazy bro.

You've been HAD! The jokes on you. He made it up so you would stfu and leave him alone.
That's it.

Why don't you try an answer some of the questions I've posed to you. Maybe ( and I highly doubt it ) as you try to answer some of them you will start to realize just how preposterous you presentation of this conspiracy is.

You remind me of a guy at the craps table who half seriously accused the casino of having a magnet in the table that made the 7 out more prone to happen. The box, with a bit of thinly veiled sarcasm born from having to endure all kinds of superstitious accusations said " oh, I forgot, let me turn this around and I'll fix that for you" and he picks up the gavel in the drop box and turns it around the other way and slides it back into the drop box. Next thing you know, WINNER!. And the table starts winning. Now that guy is absolutely CONVINCED the box has a mechanism for controlling the outcome of the dice.
That guy was an absolute fool.
Don't be that fool.

[ADulay]

Post the shoe that put you over the edge. Give me some more examples of people losing that shouldn't have lost. You said you had lots. Show me a shoe that doesn't make sense.

I think that's a fair request.  Obviously there were some really "bad" shoes that had to be dealt with to cause all this grief.

I'd like to see one or two of them myself.

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[Wewin2222]

 It is quite humorous to me  to see all the effort you're putting into these long post for  something that is supposed to be fictitious.  You keep asking me rhetorical questions  because the cat is out of the bag and you can't stand it. Your house of cards will come crashing down because players now know that they are being cheated.

[ADulay]

It is quite humorous to me  to see all the effort you're putting into these long post for  something that is supposed to be fictitious.  You keep asking me rhetorical questions  because the cat is out of the bag and you can't stand it. Your house of cards will come crashing down because players now know that they are being cheated.

I believe that HBS asked if you could produce one or two of your "cheated on" scoresheets.

That might help answer a lot of questions that are coming up now.

Thanks.

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[Wewin2222]

It really doesn't matter what style or system you play because when the casino tracks a player and programs the shoe to beat him or her it's really not fair. If I am a player that bets a thousand dollars on the 2nd bank or suppose I like to bet on the 3 and break and the opportunity for that to happen comes up 7 - 10 times and it only breaks twice that looks a little suspect to me. I have seen thousands of shoes to where you will average at 5 - 7 3 and breaks. The casino will watch what you like to bet on and they will program the shoe to beat you. The game of Baccarat should be hand shuffled after the cards are washed and then you would have a fair shoe.

[Wewin2222]

This will never happen until the casinos are taking to court for cheating and the gaming commission steps in and forces them to change. By the way the card reader / shuffler is common knowledge. Even the developers of the shufflers brag about the fact that they have the ability to read cards and they use it as a selling point. This is an absolute unfair advantage by the casino. If a player was able to have this kind of unfair advantage they would be asked to leave and probley would not be allowed to cash in their chips. It's an absolute disgrace that we are allowing this to happen!!!

[HunchBacShrimp]

It really doesn't matter what style or system you play because when the casino tracks a player and programs the shoe to beat him or her it's really not fair. If I am a player that bets a thousand dollars on the 2nd bank or suppose I like to bet on the 3 and break and the opportunity for that to happen comes up 7 - 10 times and it only breaks twice that looks a little suspect to me. I have seen thousands of shoes to where you will average at 5 - 7 3 and breaks. The casino will watch what you like to bet on and they will program the shoe to beat you. The game of Baccarat should be hand shuffled after the cards are washed and then you would have a fair shoe.

You clearly have not played thousands of shoes. You clearly do not understand the distribution of events. You are 100% WRONG about there being anything suspect about 7 to 10 runs greater than three with only 2 runs of three.

You have yet to explain how the casino can program the shuffler to beat one person in particular without another, or several other players winning with the same outcomes. Not every player bets the same at the table.

You have no understanding of random at all.

You appear to be another gambler that always bets for the chop, that doesn't believe in long runs of B or P. You obviously have no clue what you are doing. And when you lose, your only recourse is to rant and rave how the casinos cheated you.

[HunchBacShrimp]

This will never happen until the casinos are taking to court for cheating and the gaming commission steps in and forces them to change. By the way the card reader / shuffler is common knowledge. Even the developers of the shufflers brag about the fact that they have the ability to read cards and they use it as a selling point. This is an absolute unfair advantage by the casino. If a player was able to have this kind of unfair advantage they would be asked to leave and probley would not be allowed to cash in their chips. It's an absolute disgrace that we are allowing this to happen!!!

This post is very nearly meaningless. To me, you still sound like a child. A young inexperienced gambler who thinks they know it all. And when things don't go the way you expect them, you throw a temper tantrum and accuse others of cheating.

NOBODY NEEDS TO TAKE THE CASINOS TO COURT. YOU HAVE FOUND OUT THEIR SECRET REPORT THEM TO THE GAMING COMMISSION.

That's all you have to do, the casino will lose its gaming license.

Post me a link where card shuffling manufacturers are bragging about being able to read the cards. Without a link, this is just more baseless paranoid slander from you.

The only disgrace here is you, disgracing yourself with your endless insistence that the casinos are tracking betting strategies and programming its opposite into the shuffler.

I already told you the casinos MUST have a random game or they become exposed to a team of players that will display a very easy to recognize bet selection, wait for the casino to program its opposite and then change their bet and drain the casino of every penny they have. After all, its no longer a secret, some random pit boss told you it was true. The jig is up, the cats out of the bag.

Why aren't you in there right now betting against the entire table making a million?

[gr8player]

You're wasting your time in this thread, HBS.....fighting an unwinnable battle vs obvious trolling.