It's happened. I never thought it would, but I had the good fortune to run across two players that notified me through top secret communication (at a table with a dealer present, a floor manager within ear shot, other players at the table and other players in the area).... BACCARAT IS RIGGED.
The Dark Wizard and his band of Black Riders are busy at work in secret enclaves deep within the casino preparing each shoe. Sometimes they add a 9. Sometimes they take out two 3's. Sometime they put in a couple Monkeys and an Ace. But they use their dark magic and secret ways to prepare each and every shoe for maximum loss to the exact players players that will be at that table at the time.
Never mind that the house makes their profit mostly on crappy players, players going on tilt, and bit on house edge. Never mind that there is a gaming commission. Never mind that shoes are shuffled by a super secret shuffle machine which is most likely a Shuffle Master. Never mind that someone cuts the shoe. The Dark Wizard and his Black Riders have it in for you. They have it in for everyone. By carefully rigging each shoe with addition and removal of the absolute right cards in a certain way, they will achieve maximum profitability for the house ALWAYS!
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I really want to pass this along and people to post up other insanity because I got into a decent argument over this stuff, quit for the night, and then came back to see the exact shoe we were at when I received this top secret inside information turn into pure butter of easy long side dragons.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. THE NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO GAMING GONE INSANE - BACCARAT EDITION HOLD YOUR GROUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE JUST ENCOUNTERED MAXIMUM STUPIDITY AND IT IS MOST LIKELY ABOUT TO GET VERY FAVORABLE.
Our shuffle machines are controlled by a central computer which communicates with the shuffling machines via wifi. That's why you're not allowed to take computers into the casino, you would be able to interfere with and hack into the shuffle signals.
This way the casino staff upstairs can monitor who's playing (via the cameras) and then send the shuffle algorithm to the shuffle machine accordingly. The casino will let you win a few times but sooner or later they will target you and you will be finished. They know how you are going to play and it's easy for them to set up the deck so that you will lose.
Always play with a hand shuffle, the casino cheat otherwise.
The Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society will want to hear about this.
I would play along with the casino when it targets known victims. That would be an easy win for you. All you need do is become aware of a targeted player's betting style and pick up on the fix yourself. Just bet the opposite of the victim. It should work fine for you aware players.
Quote from: Gizmotron on July 11, 2016, 01:25:40 PM
The Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society will want to hear about this.
I would play along with the casino when it targets known victims. That would be an easy win for you. All you need do is become aware of a targeted player's betting style and pick up on the fix yourself. Just bet the opposite of the victim. It should work fine for you aware players.
The targetted player that confided what goes on to me doesn't play at the casino any more. He only plays at an online casino where they do a hand shuffle where he wins. So alas I can't use this strategy unless I find another player that is suffering the same problem.
I personally haven't been targetted yet and I still play at the casino.
Now it all makes perfect sense to me, I observed Batman, Dr. Spock and Matthew Broderick ('War Games' 1983 movie the computer whiz kid) in the friggin parking lot all wearing tee-shirts that said, "Screw the Baccarat Players".
I understand now, a lot clearer.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on July 11, 2016, 01:12:50 PM
Our shuffle machines are controlled by a central computer which communicates with the shuffling machines via wifi. That's why you're not allowed to take computers into the casino, you would be able to interfere with and hack into the shuffle signals.
This way the casino staff upstairs can monitor who's playing (via the cameras) and then send the shuffle algorithm to the shuffle machine accordingly. The casino will let you win a few times but sooner or later they will target you and you will be finished. They know how you are going to play and it's easy for them to set up the deck so that you will lose.
Always play with a hand shuffle, the casino cheat otherwise.
This is breaking news! Our shoes must have a skip card feature that is Wi-Fi enabled. Once enough is bet on one side, the house co-dealer, who is tucked away in the secret co-dealing room, can engage skip card to ensure the other side wins! I'm asking my sources tonight for confirmation.
You might think this is the UBS trading floor in Stamford, CT, but it is really the super secret shuffle and co-dealing room of your local casino.
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DO NOT GET A PLAYERS CARD. You might think it is to track comps, but with RFID technology in it along with the RFID in each chip (except $1 chips which usually do not have RFID), it is carefully tracking and monitoring your style of play. This data directly feeds into shoe structuring and co-dealing operations.
A few times I have heard floor management speak about dealer overtime, but hell, now I know why. Typically for every table/ dealer there is at least one shuffle rigger and at least one co-dealing specialist. Now at the bigger tables, the ratio might be one dealer to 2-3 for each of those positions.
OVERTIME!!! When you see a jumping shoe or long dragon clean straight clean, the co-dealers must be away on their lunch break. They leave the dealer high and dry to fend for themselves and it ain't pretty.
Have been doing an internet search for casino's cheating news and haven't found much other than anti money laundering busts. Damn those houses are sharp, but when gaming commission personnel are around, it's so easy to pick them out of the crowd. Here are some investigators with a nice floor manager....
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Quote from: 21 Aces on July 11, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
DO NOT GET A PLAYERS CARD. You might think it is to track comps, but with RFID technology in it along with the RFID in each chip (except $1 chips which usually do not have RFID), it is carefully tracking and monitoring your style of play. This data directly feeds into shoe structuring and co-dealing operations.
The person who got targeted hadn't been using his player card for a while but they still got him. It's obvious they are also using the cameras to watch players.
I sometime wondered about this, however, where is the gaming commissioner on this issue? I am perplexed as to how could this be considering the house already has the edges on the game?
If this is the reality, where is our protection, as player?
I want to point out that OP asked us to post things that we have heard. Anything that I post on this thread is not necessarily my view, just some secret information that has been passed to me.
Quote from: 21 Aces on July 11, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
I really want to pass this along and people to post up other insanity...
As I said, I still play at the casino. That doesn't mean I don't have bad days though. I can't prove that the things presented on this thread aren't happening.
As a further topic that could be discussed in another thread, I do wish that the casino would supply the software that runs their poker machines so I can verify their fairness. For some reason most people seem happy to play without such proof.
Whether you players card or not, the casino knows you after your first couple visits. Every single person on the casino staff from cleaning to executive management will know you to some degree. They have software that can auto follow you throughout. So what? Top players are known by everyone. Consistent players are known by everyone.
Just booked a huge win tonight because they like me. There is no rigging at a reputable house. They don't have to take that incredibly asinine risk. If ever, any cheating or rigging in the industry is a rarity. Search and try to find filings. There is plenty of profit between crappy play and players going on tilt. They do get mired in anti money laundering issues and securing certain items and services for their guests.
Last night I even tried to do something which in the normal course of things would seem acceptable as a way to thank for good luck and I was told that I can not do it because it is against the gaming reg's and protocol. The house typically runs the ship that tight.
Players confuse getting their behind head to them with the house rigging the game. I have hosts letting me know how some of the top players are doing because everyone knows everyone more or less. Top players choke down 2 steps of getting run over and surge ahead 3-5 steps. On a net basis they win, but that doesn't mean they don't sit down and get smacked like everyone.
Mars Rocks and everyone, I made this thread to point out, that although it might seem like it's the case at times when the chips are down, this super secret ghost op stuff is not happening. AND only the strongest players DO NOT let incidents that happen in a session get to them. As I posted at the start, I missed out on a shot at one or two high payout wins and two long bank dragons because of the argument with the other players.
Regarding:
The Dark Wizard and his band of Black Riders are busy at work in secret enclaves deep within the casino preparing each shoe. Sometimes they add a 9. Sometimes they take out two 3's. Sometime they put in a couple Monkeys and an Ace. But they use their dark magic and secret ways to prepare each and every shoe for maximum loss to the exact players players that will be at that table at the time.
Our shuffle machines are controlled by a central computer which communicates with the shuffling machines via wifi. That's why you're not allowed to take computers into the casino, you would be able to interfere with and hack into the shuffle signals.
This way the casino staff upstairs can monitor who's playing (via the cameras) and then send the shuffle algorithm to the shuffle machine accordingly. The casino will let you win a few times but sooner or later they will target you and you will be finished. They know how you are going to play and it's easy for them to set up the deck so that you will lose.
I am SURPRISED to read the above.
When you say "our shuffle machines" this implies that you work for a casino.
What casino(s) and shuffle machines are you referring to?
To my knowledge, the gaming commissions in NV, NJ and MO would not tolerate such cheating. If the Shuffle machine(s) you are referring to are made by Shufflemaster, why would they risk being put out of business for manufacturing a device that can allow the algorithms to be changed by casino personnel?
What am I missing here?
Curiously,
Boris
Quote from: BorisBJ21 on July 23, 2016, 01:36:04 AM
When you say "our shuffle machines" this implies that you work for a casino.
What casino(s) and shuffle machines are you referring to?
To my knowledge, the gaming commissions in NV, NJ and MO would not tolerate such cheating. If the Shuffle machine(s) you are referring to are made by Shufflemaster, why would they risk being put out of business for manufacturing a device that can allow the algorithms to be changed by casino personnel?
I don't work for the casino. I'm referring to the casino where my source confided in me.
Quote from: BorisBJ21 on July 23, 2016, 01:36:04 AM
What am I missing here?
You're missing the fact that OP asked readers to post strange things that other players have confided to you. I forgive alrelax because he actually once said that he doesn't read all of 21Aces posts. I suspect this is your problem too.
Please get with the program and post those unseemly things that have been confided to you.
Quote from: BorisBJ21 on July 23, 2016, 01:36:04 AM
Regarding:
The Dark Wizard and his band of Black Riders...
I am SURPRISED to read the above.
When you say "our shuffle machines" this implies that you work for a casino.
What casino(s) and shuffle machines are you referring to?
To my knowledge, the gaming commissions in NV, NJ and MO would not tolerate such cheating. If the Shuffle machine(s) you are referring to are made by Shufflemaster, why would they risk being put out of business for manufacturing a device that can allow the algorithms to be changed by casino personnel?
What am I missing here?
Curiously,
Boris
Yes - I made the thread because two regulars I see all of the time, one who is pretty sharp, stated that I was naive for believing that the casino
DOES NOT rig the shoes. They cost me money because I flipped out in response to their premise. I still have a hard time playing with them or around them.
I think the industry standard for shuffle machines is Shuffle Master, but of course there may be other brands used.
As I mentioned above:I really want to pass this along and people to post up other insanity because I got into a decent argument over this stuff, quit for the night, and then came back to see the exact shoe we were at when I received this top secret inside information turn into pure butter of easy long side dragons.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. THE NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO GAMING GONE INSANE - BACCARAT EDITION HOLD YOUR GROUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE JUST ENCOUNTERED MAXIMUM STUPIDITY AND IT IS MOST LIKELY ABOUT TO GET VERY FAVORABLE.**** The Funny Thing Is *****They are consistent regular players and win, but I really don't want to hear that stuff.
Anything is possible, but you should not mix bad breaks in the game with the game itself. The best players still get rolled and rolled hard and rolled often, but they bear down and win.
If you are playing at a house were you have evidence of the game being rigged, play elsewhere. I could only see this at a very small house, cruise ship in international waters, etc. I remember playing slot a couple spins at a very small house on a weekend vacation and right away I thought. 'This casino is so small, they get no action. Why am I even playing?' There are times where my house gets a little strict if there are disruptions or contention among players during the course of play, but they will take down paper in line with their offering with zero hesitation.
Now more than ever people have to set up their life for best chance of success. That may mean moving to a city with better opportunity. Vegas, Macau, etc. There is world class play 24/ 7 around the world. That may mean prioritizing your game and making your day job very limited. Whatever it takes.
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WARNING THIS IS A HIGH RISK COMMUNIQUE THAT WAS INTERCEPTED FROM BACCARAT DEALING COMMAND DEEP WITHIN THE HEART OF THE DARK WIZARD'S HQ - REVIEW THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT CASINOS ARE EMPLOYING A SYSTEMATIC DYNAMIC SHUFFLE IN BACCARAT WHICH PERFECTLY COUNTERS ANY AND ALL PLAYER SKILL BASED ON A SOPHISTICATED REAL-TIME EVALUATION OF EVERY BACCARAT PLAYER WITHIN 1,000 YARDS OF A BACCARAT TABLE WITH AN IDENTIFIABLE INTENT TO PLAY.
If you like Bank, you will get a Player shoe from hell.
If you like Player, you will get a nightmare Bank shoe.
If you like chop, the shoe will streak like a banshee.
If you like Long Dragon Tails, good luck because you will get more chop that a sushi kitchen.
Any if you move to another table, the dynamic shuffle will have a bead on you tighter than a Green Beret sniper.
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I wrote about this. In relation to the above post, It is so simple and so non complex and so hard for me to frigging understand why so many will not do it??? So many, almost everyone plays attacking each and every shoe with one direction, I play coming at each shoe from 8 directions, I wrote about this, So simple. Stop the insanity and win a lot easier guys!!!!
Why the wagering with what you like??? You want the shoe presentment to conform to your desires rather than the other way around!!
Okay, I have a brilliant thought and maybe it will become the thought of the year. :D
Let's all stop the term of "beat the baccarat/roulette/casino" and change them to "To win easier".
Quote from: alrelax on August 03, 2017, 07:48:55 AM
Stop the insanity and win a lot easier guys!!!!
This should be the main goal now. May all the system posted here is to accomplish this. IMHO
Quote from: Garfield on August 03, 2017, 11:35:17 AM
Okay, I have a brilliant thought and maybe it will become the thought of the year. :D
Let's all stop the term of "beat the baccarat/roulette/casino" and change them to "To win easier".
This should be the main goal now. May all the system posted here is to accomplish this. IMHO
Exactly and 110%, even 200%! Easier, no way to beat, sure, one shoe--10 shoes--1 night, etc., possible. But to flat out for the meaning of the word, cannot be done.
But seriously, the direction everyone or most everyone attacks their baccarat gambling sets themselves up 100% to lose.
Attack it always from the eight directions instead of 1 direction. The same thing 21 stated that players face in that post with the video.
When you truly learn how to attack your play with 8 directions and as well, hold your winnings, you will have considerably more wins.
The guy(s) are complete jerk offs and off the wall with their accusations as well as their 'beat-the-casino' rubbish. What they preach is pretty far from the truth and open-ended fairy tales. They outright claim to 'beat-the casino' and I will leave it at that.
If you go on their website and post something actual and don't join them in their parade to recruit paid members, you will be banned.
The owner of their website actually called his local police department and attempted to have me arrested because I requested he take down certain posts I made, of which he did some and left others up. He is in cohorts with a person I know that was friends with another website owner and befriended him at one time and that owner lost hundreds of thousands of dollars to the casinos and is actually in debt to at least a half a million dollars to various Vegas casino, which is a criminal action not to repay a marker, etc. Then when that person went belly up of course Keith's cohort disavows knowing and past association with the guy, LOL. Yeah right. Great website and great people. They are scum bags, IMO and my personal knoweldge of them.
DISCLAIMER: Everything said within this post is from my personal knowledge and experience and has not reference or reflection on BetSelction or on behalf of Victor. Signed; ALRELAX.
I need to pay more attention. Thanks for noting what Al Krigman stated:
'In practice, survival usually takes priority over win goals. Say a person bets the same amount every round, and wants to be 85 percent sure of weathering the downswings of a normal four hour session -- about 600 rounds. Ignoring Player-Banker differences and avoiding Tie, risk of ruin analysis shows this can be done betting 2.3 to 2.4 percent of initial bankroll per round.'
600 rounds in 4 hours is a private table, breathing down dealers' neck pushing them the whole time, race speed play non-stop not a 'normal four hour session'. If one pays attention, it is easy to tell who plays and who doesn't. It is possible to arrange for speed play, but it would make sense to be tipping dealers for dealing so fast.
On a side note, others write and preach and their words/posts are taking for gospel. They have no idea what they are even writing about!
WTF! Seriously. Here is what I mean. The wizard as he is called described baccarat and then the big table and then he admitted he almost never played the game and how 'big table bac' was only dealt the way it is still dealt at most place that have it--not many do a longer, only in Europe with James Bond. Then he claimed all strip places have big table which there is probably less than 6 places that actually still have it.
Seriously, their writing is so off and so wrong, but hey---they are the God's of the casino forums. LOL, to the max!
Here is what I refer to:
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I think big table implies that the shoe is passed around the table and the players deal the cards.
I must confess I've never actually played baccarat at a big table. In fact, I have played almost no baccarat at all, as it is a boring coin-flip game. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, a dealer still deals the cards at the big table. I think it is in the James Bond movies where the player does it. I suppose they did it that way in Europe at one time."
And also this one in the same thread:
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Quote: malioil
Hello everyone,
I am wondering if anyone has an idea of where one can find big table baccarat in Las Vegas, where you can touch the cards, and what the table minimums would be for such a game?
Many thanks.
This has been said before, but if you truly want the big table, the one bigger than pool table, all the big Strip casinos have it but expect minimums of at least $100. If you just care about touching the cards, you can play Midi Baccarat. You can probably find that at $50 minimum on the Strip and $25 at some off Strip casinos. I'd recommend the Gold Coast and Palace Station.":
He has no idea or clue, states something and then admits and tells another made up story in his opinion and passes it off for the truth. LOL.
Worthy of a 'BUMP'!
The thread which of course like 99.9% of all others, dies off-no further posts.
During the atmosphere of a wonderful family Sunday, a couple of members apparently decided to go for the gut and begin stabbing.
Many here know me by 'forum presence' and several, about 10, really know me either personally by extensive communication as well as 'off the board'. I am not going anywhere. I have not for sometime. When I pass away, I will be gone, probably another 20-25 years by mine and my doctors calculations--if by natural causes. So plan accordingly.
As far as the post. You have typical fiction versus non-fiction, versus fact and as well--complete made up fallacy/analogy and probably a bit of stored up frustration.
But this post exemplifies how members can get a long, post their thoughts and experiences and what they stand for, as well as no interference with 'needling & negativity' which provokes and annoys someone, especially by continual criticism or questioning.
A forum such as we have here with BetSelection, is an expression and an avenue to post, talk about, discuss, engage in Q&A, learning, research, explore venues other have experienced, and many other things of a positive or a neutral nature.
Please keep the negativity, the insults, the attacks, the insinuations by proxy, the code talking and grouping up among 2 or 3 people, the repetitive taunting, the pestering, etc., etc., off this board. We do not need it and the bulk of the members do not want it. Simple.
There are a few gaming/gambling message boards out there that are more of a consumerish nature that will tolerate it, I suggest you move your base to those and once there, you can engage in the bashing, the insinuations, the pestering, and the personal attacks, etc., that the minority of you seek or solely exist here to engage in.