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[21 Aces]

It's happened.  I never thought it would, but I had the good fortune to run across two players that notified me through top secret communication (at a table with a dealer present, a floor manager within ear shot, other players at the table and other players in the area).... BACCARAT IS RIGGED.

The Dark Wizard and his band of Black Riders are busy at work in secret enclaves deep within the casino preparing each shoe.  Sometimes they add a 9.  Sometimes they take out two 3's.  Sometime they put in a couple Monkeys and an Ace.  But they use their dark magic and secret ways to prepare each and every shoe for maximum loss to the exact players players that will be at that table at the time.

Never mind that the house makes their profit mostly on crappy players, players going on tilt, and bit on house edge.  Never mind that there is a gaming commission.  Never mind that shoes are shuffled by a super secret shuffle machine which is most likely a Shuffle Master.  Never mind that someone cuts the shoe.  The Dark Wizard and his Black Riders have it in for you. They have it in for everyone.  By carefully rigging each shoe with addition and removal of the absolute right cards in a certain way, they will achieve maximum profitability for the house ALWAYS!



I really want to pass this along and people to post up other insanity because I got into a decent argument over this stuff, quit for the night, and then came back to see the exact shoe we were at when I received this top secret inside information turn into pure butter of easy long side dragons.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.  THE NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO GAMING GONE INSANE - BACCARAT EDITION HOLD YOUR GROUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE JUST ENCOUNTERED MAXIMUM STUPIDITY AND IT IS MOST LIKELY ABOUT TO GET VERY FAVORABLE.

[Mars Rocks]

Our shuffle machines are controlled by a central computer which communicates with the shuffling machines via wifi.  That's why you're not allowed to take computers into the casino, you would be able to interfere with and hack into the shuffle signals.

This way the casino staff upstairs can monitor who's playing (via the cameras) and then send the shuffle algorithm to the shuffle machine accordingly.  The casino will let you win a few times but sooner or later they will target you and you will be finished.  They know how you are going to play and it's easy for them to set up the deck so that you will lose.

Always play with a hand shuffle, the casino cheat otherwise.

[Gizmotron]

The Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society will want to hear about this.

I would play along with the casino when it targets known victims. That would be an easy win for you. All you need do is become aware of a targeted player's betting style and pick up on the fix yourself. Just bet the opposite of the victim. It should  work fine for you aware players.

[Mars Rocks]

The Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society will want to hear about this.

I would play along with the casino when it targets known victims. That would be an easy win for you. All you need do is become aware of a targeted player's betting style and pick up on the fix yourself. Just bet the opposite of the victim. It should  work fine for you aware players.

The targetted player that confided what goes on to me doesn't play at the casino any more.  He only plays at an online casino where they do a hand shuffle where he wins. So alas I can't use this strategy unless I find another player that is suffering the same problem.

I personally haven't been targetted yet and I still play at the casino.

[alrelax]

Now it all makes perfect sense to me, I observed Batman, Dr. Spock and Matthew Broderick ('War Games' 1983 movie the computer whiz kid) in the friggin parking lot all wearing tee-shirts that said, "Screw the Baccarat Players".

I understand now, a lot clearer. 

[21 Aces]

Our shuffle machines are controlled by a central computer which communicates with the shuffling machines via wifi.  That's why you're not allowed to take computers into the casino, you would be able to interfere with and hack into the shuffle signals.

This way the casino staff upstairs can monitor who's playing (via the cameras) and then send the shuffle algorithm to the shuffle machine accordingly.  The casino will let you win a few times but sooner or later they will target you and you will be finished.  They know how you are going to play and it's easy for them to set up the deck so that you will lose.

Always play with a hand shuffle, the casino cheat otherwise.

This is breaking news!   Our shoes must have a skip card feature that is Wi-Fi enabled.  Once enough is bet on one side, the house co-dealer, who is tucked away in the secret co-dealing room, can engage skip card to ensure the other side wins!  I'm asking my sources tonight for confirmation.

You might think this is the UBS trading floor in Stamford, CT, but it is really the super secret shuffle and co-dealing room of your local casino. 




DO NOT GET A PLAYERS CARD. You might think it is to track comps, but with RFID technology in it along with the RFID in each chip (except $1 chips which usually do not have RFID), it is carefully tracking and monitoring your style of play. This data directly feeds into shoe structuring and co-dealing operations.

A few times I have heard floor management speak about dealer overtime, but hell, now I know why. Typically for every table/ dealer there is at least one shuffle rigger and at least one co-dealing specialist.   Now at the bigger tables, the ratio might be one dealer to 2-3 for each of those positions.  OVERTIME!!!

When you see a jumping shoe or long dragon clean straight clean, the co-dealers must be away on their lunch break.  They leave the dealer high and dry to fend for themselves and it ain't pretty.

[21 Aces]

Have been doing an internet search for casino's cheating news and haven't found much other than anti money laundering busts.  Damn those houses are sharp, but when gaming commission personnel are around, it's so easy to pick them out of the crowd.  Here are some investigators with a nice floor manager....

[Mars Rocks]

DO NOT GET A PLAYERS CARD. You might think it is to track comps, but with RFID technology in it along with the RFID in each chip (except $1 chips which usually do not have RFID), it is carefully tracking and monitoring your style of play. This data directly feeds into shoe structuring and co-dealing operations.

The person who got targeted hadn't been using his player card for a while but they still got him.  It's obvious they are also using the cameras to watch players.

[Bhumibol]

I sometime wondered about this, however,  where is the gaming commissioner on this issue? I am perplexed as to how could this be considering the house already has the edges on the game?

If this is the reality,  where is our protection, as player?

[Mars Rocks]

I want to point out that OP asked us to post things that we have heard.  Anything that I post on this thread is not necessarily my view, just some secret information that has been passed to me.

I really want to pass this along and people to post up other insanity...

As I said, I still play at the casino.  That doesn't mean I don't have bad days though.  I can't prove that the things presented on this thread aren't happening. 

As a further topic that could be discussed in another thread, I do wish that the casino would supply the software that runs their poker machines so I can verify their fairness.  For some reason most people seem happy to play without such proof.

[21 Aces]

Whether you players card or not, the casino knows you after your first couple visits.   Every single person on the casino staff from cleaning to executive management will know you to some degree.  They have software that can auto follow you throughout.  So what?  Top players are known by everyone.   Consistent players are known by everyone.

Just booked a huge win tonight because they like me.   There is no rigging at a reputable house.   They don't have to take that incredibly asinine risk.  If ever, any cheating or rigging in the industry is a rarity.  Search and try to find filings.  There is plenty of profit between crappy play and players going on tilt.  They do get mired in anti money laundering issues and securing certain items and services for their guests.

Last night I even tried to do something which in the normal course of things would seem acceptable as a way to thank for good luck and I was  told that I can not do it because it is against the gaming reg's and protocol.  The house typically runs the ship that tight.

Players confuse getting their behind head to them with the house rigging the game.  I have hosts letting me know how some of the top players are doing because everyone knows everyone more or less.  Top players choke down 2 steps of getting run over and surge ahead 3-5 steps.  On a net basis they win, but that doesn't mean they don't sit down and get smacked like everyone.


Mars Rocks and everyone, I made this thread to point out, that although it might seem like it's the case at times when the chips are down, this super secret ghost op stuff is not happening.  AND only the strongest players DO NOT let incidents that happen in a session get to them.  As I posted at the start, I missed out on a shot at one or two high payout wins and two long bank dragons because of the argument with the other players.

[BorisBJ21]

Regarding:

The Dark Wizard and his band of Black Riders are busy at work in secret enclaves deep within the casino preparing each shoe.  Sometimes they add a 9.  Sometimes they take out two 3's.  Sometime they put in a couple Monkeys and an Ace.  But they use their dark magic and secret ways to prepare each and every shoe for maximum loss to the exact players players that will be at that table at the time.

Our shuffle machines are controlled by a central computer which communicates with the shuffling machines via wifi.  That's why you're not allowed to take computers into the casino, you would be able to interfere with and hack into the shuffle signals.
This way the casino staff upstairs can monitor who's playing (via the cameras) and then send the shuffle algorithm to the shuffle machine accordingly.  The casino will let you win a few times but sooner or later they will target you and you will be finished.  They know how you are going to play and it's easy for them to set up the deck so that you will lose.

I am SURPRISED to read the above.
When you say "our shuffle machines" this implies that you work for a casino.

What casino(s) and shuffle machines are you referring to?
To my knowledge, the gaming commissions in NV, NJ and MO would not tolerate such cheating.  If the Shuffle machine(s) you are referring to are made by Shufflemaster, why would they risk being put out of business for manufacturing a device that can allow the algorithms to be changed by casino personnel?

What am I missing here?

Curiously,
  Boris

[Mars Rocks]

When you say "our shuffle machines" this implies that you work for a casino.

What casino(s) and shuffle machines are you referring to?
To my knowledge, the gaming commissions in NV, NJ and MO would not tolerate such cheating.  If the Shuffle machine(s) you are referring to are made by Shufflemaster, why would they risk being put out of business for manufacturing a device that can allow the algorithms to be changed by casino personnel?

I don't work for the casino.  I'm referring to the casino where my source confided in me.

What am I missing here?

You're missing the fact that OP asked readers to post strange things that other players have confided to you.  I forgive alrelax because he actually once said that he doesn't read all of 21Aces posts.  I suspect this is your problem too.
Please get with the program and post those unseemly things that have been confided to you.

[21 Aces]

Regarding:

The Dark Wizard and his band of Black Riders...

I am SURPRISED to read the above.
When you say "our shuffle machines" this implies that you work for a casino.

What casino(s) and shuffle machines are you referring to?
To my knowledge, the gaming commissions in NV, NJ and MO would not tolerate such cheating.  If the Shuffle machine(s) you are referring to are made by Shufflemaster, why would they risk being put out of business for manufacturing a device that can allow the algorithms to be changed by casino personnel?

What am I missing here?

Curiously,
  Boris

Yes - I made the thread because two regulars I see all of the time, one who is pretty sharp, stated that I was naive for believing that the casino DOES NOT rig the shoes.  They cost me money because I flipped out in response to their premise.  I still have a hard time playing with them or around them.

I think the industry standard for shuffle machines is Shuffle Master, but of course there may be other brands used.


As I mentioned above:

I really want to pass this along and people to post up other insanity because I got into a decent argument over this stuff, quit for the night, and then came back to see the exact shoe we were at when I received this top secret inside information turn into pure butter of easy long side dragons.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.  THE NEXT TIME YOU RUN INTO GAMING GONE INSANE - BACCARAT EDITION HOLD YOUR GROUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE JUST ENCOUNTERED MAXIMUM STUPIDITY AND IT IS MOST LIKELY ABOUT TO GET VERY FAVORABLE.

**** The Funny Thing Is *****

They are consistent regular players and win, but I really don't want to hear that stuff.

[21 Aces]

Anything is possible, but you should not mix bad breaks in the game with the game itself.  The best players still get rolled and rolled hard and rolled often, but they bear down and win.

If you are playing at a house were you have evidence of the game being rigged, play elsewhere.  I could only see this at a very small house, cruise ship in international waters, etc.  I remember playing slot a couple spins at a very small house on a weekend vacation and right away I thought.  'This casino is so small, they get no action.  Why am I even playing?'  There are times where my house gets a little strict if there are disruptions or contention among players during the course of play, but they will take down paper in line with their offering with zero hesitation.

Now more than ever people have to set up their life for best chance of success.  That may mean moving to a city with better opportunity.  Vegas, Macau, etc.  There is world class play 24/ 7 around the world.  That may mean prioritizing your game and making your day job very limited.  Whatever it takes.