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[fmajluf1]

Yeah was wondering.. with every method out there..

how many units normally you allow yourself to risk to make money with this game?

[james]

Flat Betting, risk 8 units to win 4 units.

[alrelax]

No matter what $$ value one is betting, I really do think it is independently subjective and depends on the player's outlook and how he wagers.  I cannot see a universal rule of how many units will fit us all.

[Sputnik]

My opinion is that it takes time to win and you need to develop some kind of risk management.
For example if you use a progression you should not try to win the same amount you risk.
I set a win target of 25% and try to win twice and after that i lower my base bet by half using the same progression and operate with casino money.
Then again i set a win target of 25% and try to win twice and after that i push with higher units again and pull for more winnings with larger base bet and still operate with casinos money.
The word is regression and that is the only way you can keep you winnings and try to win more with out risking your own money.

Assume you would play one progression all in, then sooner or later if fail and you give all the money back to the casino, so in the end you become a loser.
And if there was a easy way to use progression all in and always win, then every one would do just that.
So the only realistic solution - my opinion - is to use Regression Up & Pull as risk management.

Cheers

[alrelax]

May I offer something I wrote a but ago regarding this subject.  Might be of interest to you?


Buy-In, 1-3-2-6 & 1+4 Wagering, Money Management System
« on: June 14, 2017, 08:43:08 pm »

I personally feel that those having a 'set anything' in gambling, especially playing baccarat is adding to the negativities and the volatility of the game against you.  What I am referring to is wagering and your money management, which are two of the most important things in gambling at baccarat.

After decades and decades of gambling at baccarat, I wholeheartedly believe and subscribe to a few different attacks on the game.  I normally do get into the mind-set of using all three when I sit down, at times I forgo one of them, but usually stay on track simultaneously alternating or combining them.  Here they are.

1)   My buy-in.  I do not like to re-buy in at all.  I feel that is a negative and a false cushion.  Many I observe with a low buy-in to their fund that they will risk and if lost, they re-buy in once again.  If they bring say $1,800.00 players might buy in up to 6 times with $300.00 each time.  I feel, that they have a false-cushion with safety and planning that way.  They are always saying, 'if I lose this in front of me—I will just buy in once again', etc.  I rather see all my risk money in front of me before I win and divide it up, add to it and place some in reserve;

2)   1-3-2-6 Positive Progression.  My positive progression used the majority of the time.  I do not subscribe to negative progression unless it is a series of 2, possible 3 times and then only—if the pattern, trends and previous shoe outcomes warrant it, IMO;

3)   1 + 4 Side Parlay Wager.  I try to always have a side wager going for myself, when I am on a 'run' I can profit huge with my '1 unit' and then parlay that 1 unit, four times.  The one unit would normally come from a previous win amount.  As a rule, say I won $800.00, I might put $500 in my stack and then with the 3-$100 amounts, attempt a couple of 1 + 4 Parlay wagers.  I can't view it except anything but my 'lucky attempts' and my 'lucky money' if I succeed with doing that;

4)   1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd Money Management System.  When I double or triple my buy-in, I employ a money management system.  I divide up whatever amount I am winning, into thirds and put 1/3rd with my current buy-in, 1/3rd with a reserved amount in my pocket if I lose and desire to stay for whatever reasons and the other 1/3rd into a 'locked up' status that will not be deviated from.  I constantly divide up the win money every so often into those categories if I won. (You can set '1/3rds' for whatever you want, including sections of playing only with the 'casinos money' as Sputnik mentioned, etc., etc.)

To me, it is all second nature.  And, after thinking back each time, I have noticed countless times, that one or the other saved me from the complete depletion of my buy-in.

Getting ahead and quitting is very hard for myself without certain parameters that I mentioned above.  It allows me to see clearly at the table, focus on what I won, put away, have available, etc.  Instead of having a pile of chips and trying to be conscious of what I will gamble, hold, cash out or keep for later play, etc.  It works well for me the way I outlined.  It has nothing to do with wagering or strategy, it is simply a quick and easy method for all my misc., other than bet placement/bet selection method.  It does allow me to win more if I can and hold a certain amount without giving it back, etc.

Here is my reasoning.  'A Goal'.  If it comes you are stopping--the true joy, the true ecstasy of the greatest game and easiest way to earn money, etc., etc.   If it doesn't come, you are going to fight, demand and feel hurt—abused—and cheated.  "Why am I here—why did I come here tonight, boy this life sucks", etc., etc., and so on.  But with both of those, you will always have, 'small losses and small wins'—that is, if you stick to your stop loss and stick to your 'small win-immediate leave' protocol. Some how, at some time and inevitable--you will be busted out, ground down.  The question is not if---the question is--when.

So if you feel comfortable wagering a set amount of money and timing yourself with the wins as well as the losses, so be it.  You are, IMO, hampering any chances you truly have in this game.  I have seen hundreds turned into tens of thousands and thousands turning into hundreds of thousands.  It is all up to you, how you play, think and attack the casino.  But, what happens more times than others, is that you will feel shorted and used when you lose forcing yourself to allow repetitive buy-ins.  When you win you might be overcome with another personality and aura that will deplete all of your win and buy-in funds without offering you any chance to continue winning or maintain a certain amount you previously committed to stashing away.

[AsymBacGuy]

That's a good question.

Personally I've found fair to get from 5% to 25% of my bankroll risked per any session.

Since I over select the times to put my wagers on the felt, I approximate an average overall percentage of 12-13%.
That means that I need to be right at least over 8- 8.5 times per every 10 session to be ahead itlr.

I do not never want to be rigid about my winning rate, rigidity and stubborness kill the cat and the player too.

If I would lose two table bankrolls in a row I'll quit to play.

It never happened so far. But sooner or later it will.

as.




 
 

[fmajluf1]

great answers guys!

i have been using this lately (1,1,3) to make my 5 units. when im down(-2) i am using a kind of martingale i learned in another course.
i really don't see a bad thing using it,

don't want casino to f.. my money, im the one f... the casino .
i start using it after i am -2. if not just base bet to stay close to 0.

1, then 1,  then after winning 2 i go +3 if lose that i am -1, and will bet just 1 to recoup

been doing this as a team on roulette (red and black).. because of no commission! but learned this on baccarat...

[fmajluf1]

im using a "flat" betting strategy mixed with martingale a bit and playing as a team. 25% would be about 10 units wit a $400 bankroll each.. not bad for what i was thinking..
someone above said 8 units to win 4  so, 10 units to win +5 is fair enough with my method .

i think the best is to change to red and black on roulette to take no commission, at least playing online

Playing as a team we set ourselves advantage players! like blackjack card counters...

That's a good question.

Personally I've found fair to get from 5% to 25% of my bankroll risked per any session.

Since I over select the times to put my wagers on the felt, I approximate an average overall percentage of 12-13%.
That means that I need to be right at least over 8- 8.5 times per every 10 session to be ahead itlr.

I do not never want to be rigid about my winning rate, rigidity and stubborness kill the cat and the player too.

If I would lose two table bankrolls in a row I'll quit to play.

It never happened so far. But sooner or later it will.

as.




 

[AsymBacGuy]

i think the best is to change to red and black on roulette to take no commission, at least playing online

Please tell me where there's no commission on EC bets.

Thanks.

as. 

[fmajluf1]

on what?(ec bets?)

Please tell me where there's no commission on EC bets.

Thanks.

as.

[AsymBacGuy]

EC= even chance bets (red/black, odd/even, etc)

[backudos]

I risk 7 units to make 5-7 units per shoe