Hello,
I've been reading many of your posts on this board and I decided to join. I've been playing Baccarat for about 10 years and have witnessed thousands of hands.
I have lots of info that I can share with you guys as we are all in this together.
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Do casinos cheat? The more fives there are in the deck the better the chances are of a Banker win.
Is your casino taking fives out of the deck before the decks are shuffled so as to favor the Player side?
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Have any of you guys ever heard of a guy who won so much at Baccarat that he was shown the door and told not to come back?
Not me I was just wondering...
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I believe Baccarat can be beaten but it takes a ton of patience.
Think of Baccarat as a boxing match. You have Banker vs Player.
In my opinion the key to the game is keeping a very close eye on Players cards.
There will come a point when Player becomes very weak. And I mean really weak to the point where it can't beat nothing.
that's when you move in with a few powerful Banker bets.
And the reverse is true about Player becoming very strong.
You may play only 3 hands an hour.
But you need patience in order to beat the game.
Along with Gorilla Warfare "hit and run" gambling.
P
Thank you.
One of my needed improvements is timing. It seems that I miss to catch the right timing. If I wait too long for the certain trigger, dominance or trend, I miss it. If I don't wager, the right decision comes. I am not a fan of wagering every hand. Yes, I also know the game is 100% random.
So the question is, when is the right timing?
Best regards,
Ted
Quote from: Ted009 on February 28, 2017, 03:50:23 AM
Thank you.
One of my needed improvements is timing. It seems that I miss to catch the right timing. If I wait too long for the certain trigger, dominance or trend, I miss it. If I don't wager, the right decision comes. I am not a fan of wagering every hand. Yes, I also know the game is 100% random.
So the question is, when is the right timing?
Best regards,
Ted
The right timing is for you to decide when Player is staggering and Banker is crushing it.
Quote from: Patience777 on February 27, 2017, 10:32:15 PM
Hello,
I've been reading many of your posts on this board and I decided to join. I've been playing Baccarat for about 10 years and have witnessed thousands of hands.
I have lots of info that I can share with you guys as we are all in this together.
--------------------
Do casinos cheat? The more fives there are in the deck the better the chances are of a Banker win.
Is your casino taking fives out of the deck before the decks are shuffled so as to favor the Player side?
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Have any of you guys ever heard of a guy who won so much at Baccarat that he was shown the door and told not to come back?
Not me I was just wondering...
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I believe Baccarat can be beaten but it takes a ton of patience.
Think of Baccarat as a boxing match. You have Banker vs Player.
In my opinion the key to the game is keeping a very close eye on Players cards.
There will come a point when Player becomes very weak. And I mean really weak to the point where it can't beat nothing.
that's when you move in with a few powerful Banker bets.
And the reverse is true about Player becoming very strong.
You may play only 3 hands an hour.
But you need patience in order to beat the game.
Along with Gorilla Warfare "hit and run" gambling.
P
As far as cheating; with the exceptions of some of the smaller Southern California card rooms that do offer high limit baccarat that have known organized crime ties and either are under investigation or have been closed or license suspended, the property has no benefit to remove cards from decks. There are sever criminal as well as civil licensee penalties that would cost them multi millions if ever caught. In the larger gaming states there is strict gaming laws and compliance as well as regulatory enforcement. If you have no insight as to what goes in in a major casino and their regulatory rules and compliance, you really have no clue. As far as outside the United States, I don't know but happen. But to me baccarat can be won or in the player's favor no matter what the casino does. IMO, the casino does not deviate from the established rules and regulations as set forth by each gaming jurisdiction where the property is located. (Many have come on this board and claimed casino cheating--usually gets pretty good response, however in the USA like I said, pretty well not an issue).
I have played pretty much since 1980 a year or two after A.C. opened and have been in most gaming jurisdictions of the USA and frequent the casino in the Midwest and Vegas and Southern California and occasionally back on the east coast. I have seen lots of players win large sums in HL rooms as well as private saloons. Never once, not one time--has a casino asked someone not to come back. Exception being the cute Trang Gang maybe, LOL. I am not touching the Phil Ivy story, besides he is a celeb of the worst kind, arrogant, pungent and a negative influence.
IMO a player needs more than patience to continually win money at this game.
Quote from: Patience777 on February 28, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
The right timing is for you to decide when Player is staggering and Banker is crushing it.
Many shoes will bounce back and forth with either B or P constantly having a 0-1-2 total point value to the other side 7-8-9. Yes, there are many times this could be considered a trigger which could be the beginning of what I call a 'turning point' within a 'section' and as well---it very well might be the end of it as well. Works both ways, to stick with it or play for the regression to the mean that might be upcoming.
IMO and that of most experienced bac players, anyone that continually plays for 'so-so' and 'so and so' alone-you will not prevail as 'so and so' may never really come on that shoe.
just came back from a casino. Lost about rm1700. 1USD = rm4.5
Money management was really bad. Bet small. wins. Yet when I bet bigger it loses.
oh well haha
Quote from: yrag89 on February 28, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
just came back from a casino. Lost about rm1700. 1USD = rm4.5
Money management was really bad. Bet small. wins. Yet when I bet bigger it loses.
oh well haha
So when you're betting small and winning... right before the dealer deals add another chip to your bet.
Strategies apart, the best way to win at baccarat is either secure a small winning and promptly getting away or surviving and surviving until a good run will take place by pushing the bets with casino's money (as we have to recover in some way the "surviving mood").
When things are going bad there's no need to increase the bets hoping for something; however when things seem to go in our favor no fear to push and push.
Of course the first approach will get more small winnings with low risk whereas the second approach might get substantial winnings at the price of an higher risk.
Anyway, your idea to push the situations where P side seems (seems) to be weak is well posed.
as.
Quote from: alrelax on February 28, 2017, 08:46:57 AM
IMO a player needs more than patience to continually win money at this game.
Yes... There are more attributes that people will need. (1) A sixth sense (2) Discipline (3) A nice bank roll
I own several Baccarat books. A guy came out with a system to beat the game many years ago.
Its the best of the best. The authors last name was Wilson? I forget... When I find it I will share it with you guys.
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Patience, if this system is the best of the best, I'm assuming you are using it to create a profit?
Quote from: brokerny on March 01, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
Patience, if this system is the best of the best, I'm assuming you are using it to create a profit?
No not currently. I have used it and won with it before.
I ditched it about 4 years ago because I felt more comfortable at the time using a betting scheme that had gotten me 37 straight winning trips to the casino.
I should say it is one of the best betting schemes out there that I've seen.
It is not a Labouchere but it is a distant cousin.
Of course every book that I have says that negative progressions won't work in the long run. (Oh ya? what's the long run?)
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First you tell the betting scheme how much you want to win (say $200)
Then you tell it what amount per bet you will be using. (say $25)
Then the system tells you what to do after either a win or a loss.
I'm still looking thru my baccarat book library to try and find it.
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FYI - - My favorite Baccarat Book of all time is...
Winning at Baccarat the Gamblers Edge by Mike McGuire (1983)
If you guys can find it then get it.
What a great Book!
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I just lost interest, the sales speech is coming forsomething,37 straight. Vic?????
Quote from: alrelax on March 01, 2017, 08:57:50 PM
I just lost interest, the sales speech is coming forsomething,37 straight. Vic?????
No sales speeches I promise.
Read some of John Gollehon's Books and he will tell you how it is done.
I learned from a Professional.!
I already told you how I play and you have forgotten already.
You hit and then you run!
You don't give the casino a chance to get their money back on that day.
P
This is a true story...
I heard a Pit Boss say one day...
"If everybody quit and went home after they got ahead then we would be out of business."
And you guys know what... He Was Right! :)
Greedyville population 6
I have never been there. LOL
P
Quote from: Patience777 on March 01, 2017, 09:17:56 PM
I heard a Pit Boss say one day...
If everybody quit and went home after they got ahead then we would be out of business.
And you guys know what... He Was Right! :)
Greedyville population 6
I have never been there. LOL
P
Easy Panda vs. Hard Dragonhttp://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/easy-panda-vs-hard-dragon/msg52114/#msg52114
Quote from: Patience777 on March 01, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
using a betting scheme that had gotten me 37 straight winning trips to the casino.
Let's revisit this.
So how much are we talking about in the way of wins?
How long is 37? Days? Once a week, Once a month? What period of time?
How long are your sessions? 2 hands, 20 hands, 3 shoes? What.
My BR was $1000 per trip. I always entered the casino with $1000 in chips only purchasing chips the first time.
In 2010 I booked 37 straight winners in a certain casino. (that's my record)
When I play I use 2 & 3 & 4 and 5 step Marty's. (sometimes mild and sometimes steep) with a tiny bit of flat betting.
I always play at $10 minimum tables so when I start out I'm betting $10 and $15 per hand just to get a feel for things.
My avg. daily win was aprox. $150
I played at least once every two days, sometimes I would play like 5 days in a row.
I lived 30 minutes from the casino so I did have overhead costs.
So this took place in about a month and a half time.
Very rarely was I ever in the casino longer than an hour.
Using a $175 - $225 - $500 negative progression sometimes I would win the first hand and then go home.
My theory was... Its not how much you win but how little you lose. And get out of the casino before you take a bad beat and go on tilt.
Casino's hate people like me because we are known as steady winners!
And last night I put the dealer on tilt... But that's a story for another day. LOL :)
One or two units in almost any amount is not extremely difficult at all.
I play a bit different and I put in some hours.
I don't play every day nor do I play continually like many until grinded down.
Does everything go to plan all the time, no. But, most of the time things go fairly well and I have a lifetime of experience and history that I cherish from Atlantic City, to Connecticut, to South Florida, Las Vegas, Southern California and many points in-between.
Do I have 37 straight wins, No. But, on the other hand I would not have the great and unmatchable experiences if I stayed only 30 minutes to win $200.00 or so.
It's all good of course. Thank God I am not waiting for The Dark Wizard and his Black War Lord Riders to come to my rescue from the slot section dispensing their Casino Black Magic, huh?
Which brings up the point that casinos are negative places to hang out.
Slot machine Zombies walking around stuck. (and they are glowing with negativity) :)
Can anybody go into a smokey casino (besides me) and feel the negativity in the air?
I'm convinced and nobody is going to change my mind....
that if you sit in a casino for like 2 to 8 hours on end...
that the negativity will seep into your bones and that's how the casino captures your chips.
NO I don't have a Players Card! Take them things and shove it Mr. Pit Boss.! :)
That's another reason why I "Hit and Run" all the time.
I get out of the casino before the negativity in the air seeps into my bones. :)
If you play for comp and lifestyle you are a clear fool. However after more than 35 years of play I can take advantage of whatever the property has without effecting my play time or style or outcome, etc.
PATIENCE 777,
I ORDERED THE BOOK......THE GAMBLERS EDGE by Mike McGuire , look forward to reading it ! Thanks for telling us about it.
Did you come across the other book by Wilson ? Do you recall the title ?
My casino is 2 miles down the road here in Albuquerque and I drop in 3 or 4 times a week checking on a method a friend shared .........so far so good , mentally playing it , with a hit and run such as you use...in and out and home in less than a half hour !!... :thumbsup:
Appreciate any info on the Wilson book.....
Thanks ! johnny/albuquerque
Thank You...
I guess he is referring to "The Casino Gambler's Guide" by Alan Wilson. He wrote the system "Oscar's Grind" in this book. You can get the system by googling. The book is also available in Amazon.
Quote from: james on March 04, 2017, 04:46:37 PM
I guess he is referring to "The Casino Gambler's Guide" by Alan Wilson. He wrote the system "Oscar's Grind" in this book. You can get the system by googling. The book is also available in Amazon.
THANKS JAMES ! ,
I GOT TO THINKING......WILSON ? WILSON ?......sounds familiar . Snooped around the net...........found the book you mention by Alan Wilson . Said to myself......hmmm , I think I have that book in my library ? Sure enough I do have it !! DUH !
lol lol lol.. ^-^ .........yeah Patience 777 must be referring to Oscars Grind !!
Thanks for the help James !
johnny/albuquerque
Quote from: johnnycs1 on March 04, 2017, 03:10:56 PM
PATIENCE 777,
I ORDERED THE BOOK......THE GAMBLERS EDGE by Mike McGuire , look forward to reading it ! Thanks for telling us about it.
Did you come across the other book by Wilson ? Do you recall the title ?
My casino is 2 miles down the road here in Albuquerque and I drop in 3 or 4 times a week checking on a method a friend shared .........so far so good , mentally playing it , with a hit and run such as you use...in and out and home in less than a half hour !!... :thumbsup:
Appreciate any info on the Wilson book.....
Thanks ! johnny/albuquerque
Thank You...
You are welcome. Yes... WINNING AT BACCARAT THE GAMBLERS EDGE by Mike McGuire (1983) is my favorite Baccarat book.
Mike McGuire was at one time a professional Baccarat player. He has probably played more hands of Baccarat than all of us guys combined.
In his book McGuire says that Banker will win the first hand of every shoe more often than not.
"The Casino Gambler's Guide" by Allan Wilson. (1954) - - - I have this book also. (another excellent book.!)
I'm also a big fan of John Patrick...
1.) Cut losses to the bone.
2.) "Hit and Run" their A$$'es and remember there is nothing wrong with accepting small wins.
3.) It's better to win a toothpick than to lose a lumber yard. hahaha
"..Banker will win the first hand of every shoe more often than not...."
It's obvious.B is more frequent than P at every hands,so also at the second hand at the third.....at the last hand.
I have a McGuire book about roulette:a lot of stupidity as I've never read before!
I hope that about Baccarat he was wiser...
Patience 777
I appreciate your way of playing(hit and run) but forget that you win due to the progression.You're winning due to luck,if you say that your bet selection is weak...
No progression change the house edge.Some progressions are good for a given shoe and bad or very bad for another shoe.
Play positive progression or negative 1,2.
It's useless spend time for inventing new progressions and the old ones are all equivalent:they work here, they don't work there
Alrelax
I used to play like you with positive progressions or flat bet and I spent 3 or 4 hours at the baccarat table(150 days /year)
Now I've changed.My behavior was pathological.I entered a Casino for entertainment and not for earning money.
Entertainement must be paid like a movie,a musical....
Now I TRY to earning money(+1 big unit,BKR 5/6 units)VanderWerden approach or a not frequent trigger(flat bet or negative 1,2 only on Banker)
I know that Van der Werden doesn't give an edge to the player,but,IMHO,the variance is more under control.
My last statement is a mathematical absurdity,but up to now it's my experience
How long will it last?
Congratulations for your interesting posts
I just got back from my casino... (another midnight adventure)
Player was running crazy. Runs of 10 & 8 at the table I was at.
Player was getting a pat hand of 7. 8 or a 9 on almost every hand dealt to it.
Everytime I go to my casino now I see player going on long runs.
They have automatic card shufflers also.
Easy Money!
I like back & forth choppy tables also.
Wait for a bank win and then marty player 3 times in a row. $25-$50-$80
P
Quote from: roversi13 on March 05, 2017, 05:54:48 AM
"..Banker will win the first hand of every shoe more often than not...."
It's obvious.B is more frequent than P at every hands,so also at the second hand at the third.....at the last hand.
I have a McGuire book about roulette:a lot of stupidity as I've never read before!
I hope that about Baccarat he was wiser...
Patience 777
I appreciate your way of playing(hit and run) but forget that you win due to the progression.You're winning due to luck,if you say that your bet selection is weak...
No progression change the house edge.Some progressions are good for a given shoe and bad or very bad for another shoe.
Play positive progression or negative 1,2.
It's useless spend time for inventing new progressions and the old ones are all equivalent:they work here, they don't work there
Alrelax
I used to play like you with positive progressions or flat bet and I spent 3 or 4 hours at the baccarat table(150 days /year)
Now I've changed.My behavior was pathological.I entered a Casino for entertainment and not for earning money.
Entertainement must be paid like a movie,a musical....
Now I TRY to earning money(+1 big unit,BKR 5/6 units)VanderWerden approach or a not frequent trigger(flat bet or negative 1,2 only on Banker)
I know that Van der Werden doesn't give an edge to the player,but,IMHO,the variance is more under control.
My last statement is a mathematical absurdity,but up to now it's my experience
How long will it last?
Congratulations for your interesting posts
Regarding starting a shoe. Anyones guess. Both can open. People that write books is their thoughts and limitied expereince. No matter how much someone played, it is so darn trival time as compared to 24/7 in all casinos combined.
As far as Bankers always winning the first hand the majority of the times. Everythign is subjectibe. The one casino the closet to me, the shoe might very well start off that way. I would say the highest majority of the times like 75 shoes out of a 100, it is B then P and then T or P then T and the B or any combo of those three. Then all of a sudden for 8 out of 10 shoes is is Player, then it will be 5 Bankers starts and 5 Player starts. Then it will be every other shoe is the opposite. There is no definitive prediction and anyone that says so is so terribly inexpereinced at the game--he is writing for content and attemtping to be a self proclaimed expert.
Quote from: Patience777 on March 05, 2017, 06:44:49 AM
I just got back from my casino... (another midnight adventure)
Player was running crazy. Runs of 10 & 8 at the table I was at.
Player was getting a pat hand of 7. 8 or a 9 on almost every hand dealt to it.
Everytime I go to my casino now I see player going on long runs.
They have automatic card shufflers also.
Easy Money!
I like back & forth choppy tables also.
Wait for a bank win and then marty player 3 times in a row. $25-$50-$80
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It will work for a while and then if you continually stick to it, you will 100% get crushed.
As i worte about you need numerous triggers to employ and play what the shoe is producing. Does not matter if it is weak, strong or neutral point values.
.........................."Please believe me, it is not science, to a certain point it is mathematical and to another point it is not, but it is most certainly a variable one. Meaning if X&Y = Z for 50% of the shoe and then such and such happens, X&Y will subsequently = A. But, not always. And that is what throws and confuses the vast majority of those that play the game. The players see things that happen and most players will think they caught on and they learn something that repeated itself numerous times and they call that a 'key-trigger'. Then, what they learned will stop working to their advantage and work against them. Get the drift? Not one thing, but numerous things.
I tried to write and post certain things and it is very difficult to actually put casino play with all the influential innuendoes, gut feelings from experiences that actually pan out, the same gut feelings from experiences that actually do not pan out, the positive camaraderie that made me $$$ that I wholeheartedly knew I would not have capitalize on and the dozens of other things that are most certainly a viable part of live casino play. Just what happens is most don't write about it or recognize what I have found and/or choose to say it is all in the cards or purely an act of random choice with no other factors entering in. They either don't have the experience or they just simply will not recognize what is not tangible that is very viable parts of the game".........................................
Quote from: roversi13 on March 05, 2017, 05:54:48 AM
I know that Van der Werden doesn't give an edge to the player,but,IMHO,the variance is more under control.
Bingo. I'll agree to that for sure.
AD
I never bet ties...
But here is how I handle a tie.
A lot of people won't bet after a tie.
What I like to do is go back to the last two ties and see which side won immediately thereafter each tie and then bet that side if one side has won twice in a row after both ties.
Understand? But I won't bet much.
I've been successful betting this trend in the past but once I lose one time then I will quit using this trend for awhile till it shows again.
There is lots of luck involved in Baccarat but there is also skill involved.
The trend is your friend. :)
P
LOL However I DO NOT play slots :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcqgksvces
In reality, you will encounter some winnings in Baccarat and will definitely encounter a lot of losses as well. There are just few who are really good in playing Baccarat and I witnessed that so many times. It is actually a really fun game. For most players they have this strategy calledTrending which is the oldest strategy used by baccarat players since then and even up to now. It is effective in a sense that you have to use logic. Not sure if most of you are using it now.
I do. Problem is though that it will cease and the highest majority of players will continue to play everything trending and thus lose as quick as they win, is my thoughts. However, today's reverse of that is playing for the cut. Thus, you lost all the great trends which is the easiest way to parlay and just take down win after win after win, and only lose the last hand when it finally cuts. The beauty part of trending is that it works on both streaks and weak sections!!!!
So I have an extremely clear mind and attempt both sides as I call it, trending, and cutting. It is not easy and hard to really focus. Sounds easy but I have written about this before in my BLOG.
in regards to ties. IMO, where i play, it always changes the trend. If not the 1st one, the 2nd for sure.
It could be doubling up 4-7x in a row, then the damn tie and it will start chopping, makes the shoe its turning point..We all wish the shoe could double the whole way!
Ties for me where I play change the flow 99% of the time..........
Rivers casino, still hand shuffle! Every other casino I play at use the auto ones....
The proper way to play is follow what the shoe is producing. The people the last 10 years or so attempt to wager continually on the 'cut' no matter if it is currently a streak or if it is weak, the continually wager for the cut, which is dead wrong. The time to play for the cut is when it is chop=chop and doubles and triples. There is a difference, a huge difference, playing with the shoe and what the shoe is producing or attempting to change the shoe to your desire which is the opposite side for whatever statistical reasoning.