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[alrelax]

using a betting scheme that had gotten me 37 straight winning trips to the casino. 

Let's revisit this.

So how much are we talking about in the way of wins?

How long is 37?  Days? Once a week, Once a month?  What period of time?

How long are your sessions?  2 hands, 20 hands, 3 shoes?  What.

[Patience777]

My BR was $1000 per trip. I always entered the casino with $1000 in chips only purchasing chips the first time.
In 2010 I booked 37 straight winners in a certain casino. (that's my record)
When I play I use 2 & 3 & 4 and 5 step Marty's. (sometimes mild and sometimes steep) with a tiny bit of flat betting.
I always play at $10 minimum tables so when I start out I'm betting $10 and $15 per hand just to get a feel for things.
My avg. daily win was aprox. $150
I played at least once every two days, sometimes I would play like 5 days in a row.
I lived 30 minutes from the casino so I did have overhead costs.
So this took place in about a month and a half time.
Very rarely was I ever in the casino longer than an hour.
Using a $175 - $225 - $500 negative progression sometimes I would win the first hand and then go home.
My theory was... Its not how much you win but how little you lose. And get out of the casino before you take a bad beat and go on tilt.

Casino's hate people like me because we are known as steady winners!

And last night I put the dealer on tilt... But that's a story for another day. LOL

[alrelax]

One or two units in almost any amount is not extremely difficult at all. 

I play a bit different and I put in some hours.

I don't play every day nor do I play continually like many until grinded down. 

Does everything go to plan all the time, no.  But, most of the time things go fairly well and I have a lifetime of experience and history that I cherish from Atlantic City, to Connecticut, to South Florida, Las Vegas, Southern California and many points in-between.

Do I have 37 straight wins, No.  But, on the other hand I would not have the great and unmatchable experiences if I stayed only 30 minutes to win $200.00 or so. 

It's all good of course. Thank God I am not waiting for The Dark Wizard and his Black War Lord Riders to come to my rescue from the slot section dispensing their Casino Black Magic, huh?

[Patience777]

Which brings up the point that casinos are negative places to hang out.
Slot machine Zombies walking around stuck. (and they are glowing with negativity)
Can anybody go into a smokey casino (besides me) and feel the negativity in the air?
I'm convinced and nobody is going to change my mind....
that if you sit in a casino for like 2 to 8 hours on end...
that the negativity will seep into your bones and that's how the casino captures your chips.
NO I don't have a Players Card! Take them things and shove it Mr. Pit Boss.!
That's another reason why I "Hit and Run" all the time.
I get out of the casino before the negativity in the air seeps into my bones.    

[alrelax]

If you play for comp and lifestyle you are a clear fool.  However after more than 35 years of play I can take advantage of whatever the property has without effecting my play time or style or outcome, etc.

[johnnycs1]

PATIENCE 777,

I ORDERED THE BOOK......THE GAMBLERS EDGE by Mike McGuire , look forward to reading it ! Thanks for telling us about it.

Did you come across the other book by Wilson ? Do you recall the title ?

My casino is 2 miles down the road here in Albuquerque and I drop in 3 or 4 times a week checking on a method a friend shared .........so far so good , mentally playing it , with a hit and run such as you use...in and out and home in less than a half hour !!...

Appreciate any info on the Wilson book.....

Thanks ! johnny/albuquerque



Thank You...

[james]

I guess he is referring to "The Casino Gambler's Guide" by Alan Wilson. He wrote the system "Oscar's Grind" in this book. You can get the system by googling. The book is also available in Amazon.

[johnnycs1]

I guess he is referring to "The Casino Gambler's Guide" by Alan Wilson. He wrote the system "Oscar's Grind" in this book. You can get the system by googling. The book is also available in Amazon.

THANKS JAMES ! ,

I GOT TO THINKING......WILSON ? WILSON ?......sounds familiar .  Snooped around the net...........found the book you mention by Alan Wilson . Said to myself......hmmm , I think I have that book in my library ? Sure enough I do have it !! DUH !
lol lol lol..     .........yeah Patience 777 must be referring to Oscars Grind !!

Thanks for the help James !

johnny/albuquerque

[Patience777]

PATIENCE 777,

I ORDERED THE BOOK......THE GAMBLERS EDGE by Mike McGuire , look forward to reading it ! Thanks for telling us about it.

Did you come across the other book by Wilson ? Do you recall the title ?

My casino is 2 miles down the road here in Albuquerque and I drop in 3 or 4 times a week checking on a method a friend shared .........so far so good , mentally playing it , with a hit and run such as you use...in and out and home in less than a half hour !!...

Appreciate any info on the Wilson book.....

Thanks ! johnny/albuquerque

Thank You...

You are welcome.  Yes... WINNING AT BACCARAT THE GAMBLERS EDGE by Mike McGuire (1983) is my favorite Baccarat book.
Mike McGuire was at one time a professional Baccarat player. He has probably played more hands of Baccarat than all of us guys combined.
In his book McGuire says that Banker will win the first hand of every shoe more often than not.

"The Casino Gambler's Guide" by Allan Wilson. (1954) - - - I have this book also. (another excellent book.!)   

I'm also a big fan of John Patrick...

1.) Cut losses to the bone.
2.) "Hit and Run" their A$$'es and remember there is nothing wrong with accepting small wins.
3.) It's better to win a toothpick than to lose a lumber yard. hahaha

[roversi13]

"..Banker will win the first hand of every shoe more often than not...."
It's obvious.B is more frequent than P at every hands,so also at the second hand at the third.....at the last hand.
I have a McGuire book about roulette:a lot of stupidity as I've never read before!
I hope that about Baccarat he was wiser...

Patience 777
I appreciate your way of playing(hit and run) but forget that you win due to the progression.You're winning due to luck,if you say that your bet selection is weak...
No progression change the house edge.Some progressions are good for a given shoe and bad or very bad for another shoe.
Play positive progression or negative 1,2.
It's useless spend time for inventing new progressions and the old ones are all equivalent:they work here, they don't work there

Alrelax
I used to play like you with positive progressions or flat bet and I spent 3 or 4 hours at the baccarat table(150 days /year)
Now I've changed.My behavior was pathological.I entered a Casino for entertainment and not for earning money.
Entertainement must be paid like a movie,a musical....
Now I TRY to earning money(+1 big unit,BKR 5/6 units)VanderWerden approach or a not frequent trigger(flat bet or negative 1,2 only on Banker)
I know that Van der Werden doesn't give an edge to the player,but,IMHO,the variance is more under control.
My last statement is a mathematical absurdity,but up to now it's my experience
How long will it last?
Congratulations for your interesting posts

[Patience777]

I just got back from my casino... (another midnight adventure)

Player was running crazy. Runs of 10 & 8 at the table I was at.
Player was getting a pat hand of 7. 8 or a 9 on almost every hand dealt to it.
Everytime I go to my casino now I see player going on long runs.
They have automatic card shufflers also.
Easy Money!

I like back & forth choppy tables also.
Wait for a bank win and then marty player 3 times in a row. $25-$50-$80

P

[alrelax]

"..Banker will win the first hand of every shoe more often than not...."
It's obvious.B is more frequent than P at every hands,so also at the second hand at the third.....at the last hand.
I have a McGuire book about roulette:a lot of stupidity as I've never read before!
I hope that about Baccarat he was wiser...

Patience 777
I appreciate your way of playing(hit and run) but forget that you win due to the progression.You're winning due to luck,if you say that your bet selection is weak...
No progression change the house edge.Some progressions are good for a given shoe and bad or very bad for another shoe.
Play positive progression or negative 1,2.
It's useless spend time for inventing new progressions and the old ones are all equivalent:they work here, they don't work there

Alrelax
I used to play like you with positive progressions or flat bet and I spent 3 or 4 hours at the baccarat table(150 days /year)
Now I've changed.My behavior was pathological.I entered a Casino for entertainment and not for earning money.
Entertainement must be paid like a movie,a musical....
Now I TRY to earning money(+1 big unit,BKR 5/6 units)VanderWerden approach or a not frequent trigger(flat bet or negative 1,2 only on Banker)
I know that Van der Werden doesn't give an edge to the player,but,IMHO,the variance is more under control.
My last statement is a mathematical absurdity,but up to now it's my experience
How long will it last?
Congratulations for your interesting posts

Regarding starting a shoe.  Anyones guess.  Both can open.  People that write books is their thoughts and limitied expereince.  No matter how much someone played, it is so darn trival time as compared to 24/7 in all casinos combined.

As far as Bankers always winning the first hand the majority of the times.  Everythign is subjectibe.  The one casino the closet to me, the shoe might very well start off that way.  I would say the highest majority of the times like 75 shoes out of a 100, it is  B then P and then T or P then T and the B or any combo of those three.  Then all of a sudden for 8 out of 10 shoes is is Player, then it will be 5 Bankers starts and 5 Player starts.  Then it will be every other shoe is the opposite.  There is no definitive prediction and anyone that says so is so terribly inexpereinced at the game--he is writing for content and attemtping to be a self proclaimed expert.

[alrelax]

I just got back from my casino... (another midnight adventure)

Player was running crazy. Runs of 10 & 8 at the table I was at.
Player was getting a pat hand of 7. 8 or a 9 on almost every hand dealt to it.
Everytime I go to my casino now I see player going on long runs.
They have automatic card shufflers also.
Easy Money!

I like back & forth choppy tables also.
Wait for a bank win and then marty player 3 times in a row. $25-$50-$80
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It will work for a while and then if you continually stick to it, you will 100% get crushed.

As i worte about you need numerous triggers to employ and play what the shoe is producing.  Does not matter if it is weak, strong or neutral point values.

[alrelax]

.........................."Please believe me, it is not science, to a certain point it is mathematical and to another point it is not, but it is most certainly a variable one.  Meaning if X&Y = Z for 50% of the shoe and then such and such happens, X&Y will subsequently = A.  But, not always.  And that is what throws and confuses the vast majority of those that play the game.  The players see things that happen and most players will think they caught on and they learn something that repeated itself numerous times and they call that a 'key-trigger'.  Then, what they learned will stop working to their advantage and work against them.  Get the drift?  Not one thing, but numerous things. 

I tried to write and post certain things and it is very difficult to actually put casino play with all the influential innuendoes, gut feelings from experiences that actually pan out, the same gut feelings from experiences that actually do not pan out, the positive camaraderie that made me $$$ that I wholeheartedly knew I would not have capitalize on and the dozens of other things that are most certainly a viable part of live casino play.  Just what happens is most don't write about it or recognize what I have found and/or choose to say it is all in the cards or purely an act of random choice with no other factors entering in.  They either don't have the experience or they just simply will not recognize what is not tangible that is very viable parts of the game".........................................

[ADulay]

I know that Van der Werden doesn't give an edge to the player,but,IMHO,the variance is more under control.

Bingo.  I'll agree to that for sure.

AD