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[alrelax]

Love the one I saw a few nights ago.  Just when you thought you seen everything at baccarat.

A bit better than the numerous ones I see 'work' 2 three-line cards when the first side has a 7 or better, 2-three line cards can never add up to be more than 6?

But the one I am referring to is this guy who worked a face card on 3 sides before turning it over and the other side had a 7 and he already exposed a 6.  Someone has to clue me in cause I was always under the impression that if there is a black line on one side it is on the three other sides as well???  However, I guess I am wrong.

[Garfield]

The one I recently experienced. Bet B. Player got a 4 and K. Banker got J and 6. Player drew 7. And Banker drew a 4. LoL.
I already wrote down my winning.

Then same scenario happened again but this time I was on the winning side.

[gr8player]

The one I recently experienced. Bet B. Player got a 4 and K. Banker got J and 6. Player drew 7. And Banker drew a 4. LoL.
I already wrote down my winning.

Then same scenario happened again but this time I was on the winning side.

Hello, Garfield.

I had to laugh while reading your post....I had the misfortune of suffering a loss that EXACT SAME WAY (B6, P4; P draws a 7 for a total of one and the B draws a 4 which knocked me down to zero) on Thursday.  Funny, too....it was in the midst of a bit of a losing jag for me; which only goes to show that when the cards ain't fallin' right, they just ain't fallin' right.  Not much I could do but wait it out.  So I no-betted for a while, and came back into the game when it seemed as if this kind of malarkey appeared over.  It was.  In the end I picked up 4 units (3 1/2 after comm)....not bad, especially after a tough start.

Take care, and stay well.

[Jimske]

The one I recently experienced. Bet B. Player got a 4 and K. Banker got J and 6. Player drew 7. And Banker drew a 4. LoL.
I already wrote down my winning.

Then same scenario happened again but this time I was on the winning side.

I never write down the numbers.  I can't figure out what difference it makes.  I do have a theory about depleted denominations though.  I notice that often times the second half of the shoe (more or less) exhibits entirely different bias (pattern).  I wonder if the reason for this is that certain values become scarce in the deck and create this.

I guess it would be easy to test by removing certain values and looking at the patterns they produce to see if there are any consistencies.  Seems like a worthwhile endeavor to examine.

[alrelax]

Went to play last night.  Seen it many times, I think it happened more when most or all the players were on the side that gets reduced to zero or 1 and the other side finishes with 1 or 2, at least 6 times if not more out of three shoes. 

As far as the numbers, I know it does not matter over the course of numerous shoes, might at times within one shoe, but for a comparison factor or wagering guide, does not mean zip outside of a small section of the instant shoe.

I have always said split the sections up to 4 to 6 sections on the card horizontally and sections and most of the times, halves, will either be dominantly the same or opposingly different.

[alrelax]

The real funny part is, the guy playing doing everything that 21Aces points out.

His girlfriend sneaks away from the table while the guy is playing and doing all his masterful luck regime with the cards, losing and getting wiped out, time and time again. 

I spot his fine looking girlfriend walking straight, cute-fingernails and toes perfectly manicured and painted.  Walking a perfectly nice straight line in her 5 inch high heels.  Her delicious looking breasts sticking out for the very obvious to notice.  Her thong outlined rear end in her skin tight white pants.  Yep, sure as heck, about two hours later---right around the end of the shoe, her she comes, make up slightly smudged, missing her bra, her thong peeking out the top of her pants and very noticeably walking a slightly crooked and bold legged line.  The guy she just re-entered the casino with gave her a wink and a smile, she gave one back just before they reached the baccarat table and he went towards the bar and she sat down next to her boyfriend blowing on the cards with the last of their $10,000.00 buy-in where upon, the player retuned a 7 and he had a Monkey and a three line card for the Banker.  His last $1,400.00 wager was up. He announces he had a 6 or a 7 or an 8.  As he tries to add two 'pips' to the middle to create an 8, his face 
is still hopeful!

She looks at him and says at a whisper, 'what the f*** are you doing, really, stroking a card like that'?  I noticed when she left, her wonderful feminine perfume aroma that she presented.  Now, 2 hours later her new aroma became one of a sexual smell.  The guy is so oblivious to what he is doing and what his fine looking girlfriend or wife seemingly did in the last 2 hours, his efforts are solely on the last wager he has riding on the Banker side.

His face gets real long and real sad, as he peels the card back saying 7 or 8 and then suddenly saying 7, 7, 7, 7 and then revealing a 6---he crumbles up the card and throws it at the dealer.

I look over at his girlfriend or wife and she is playing some kind of eye flirting game with the guy that she walked in with a minute ago, standing not too far away.

[alrelax]

Sure you do!  I understand.  I see it all the time...............And, of course 100% that 8 you needed to win over the other side's 7, was only created because you added a 'pip' by pressing on the back side of the card or rubbing it over seat 8, numeral 8 imprinted on the layout!!!!  Of course. I totally understand that if you did not do that, the 8 would have been a 6.  Yes, I believe you, don't worry!

Or, perhaps you blew the 'pip' off the 10 when you had revealed 1 ten already and because you blew just the right way, you caused the other 'pip' 10 to be converted to a 9.  Of course the other side had a Natural 8. 

You are the best!   

[alrelax]

FWIW winning players, including myself, do a lot of these all of the time.

I just had to quote this before it gets erased !  Sorry, it is a very special and unique quote.

[Garfield]

I don't record the number either, just happened to remember that due to the topic here.

A win is a win, whether it's a natural or a 1.

[soxfan]

I never write down the numbers.  I can't figure out what difference it makes.  I do have a theory about depleted denominations though.  I notice that often times the second half of the shoe (more or less) exhibits entirely different bias (pattern).  I wonder if the reason for this is that certain values become scarce in the deck and create this.

I guess it would be easy to test by removing certain values and looking at the patterns they produce to see if there are any consistencies.  Seems like a worthwhile endeavor to examine.

I too have noticed that the low hanging fruit to be plucked is often in the first half of a shoe. I tend to make more virtual bet in the second half of shoes for some reasons, hey hey.

[gr8player]

I never write down the numbers.  I can't figure out what difference it makes.  I do have a theory about depleted denominations though.  I notice that often times the second half of the shoe (more or less) exhibits entirely different bias (pattern).  I wonder if the reason for this is that certain values become scarce in the deck and create this.

Hello, Jimske, I trust all is well with you.

I don't record the card values/totals either, although many (mostly Asians) do.  It's all just another way of trending, of which there are, literally, hundreds.

But I responded to your post more to discuss your:  "....often times the second half of the shoe exhibits entirely different bias".

Yes, and there is a valid reason for it.  It's called "diminishing probability".  Basically, the longer a trend/bias lasts, the less likely it becomes to continue.  Simple and basic common sense.

I call it the "unravel"....when the current leading trends/biases become depleted and simply cease their domination.  Perfect time for my "no-bet" option.

So while it appears as if the card values or their denominations might be affecting the results, I'm quite certain that it's much more a matter of "diminishing probability" at work.  Nothing more, nothing less.

The best response is to be ever-vigilant of those impending changes in the nature of the shoe, and have a best response lined up.  (Most often, it's simply to sit it out and await the next trend/bias that, hopefully, can regain some of the positive momentum.)

Take care, and stay well.

[alrelax]

GR8,

I am safe to say most Asians and most of the 'other' people of whatever country or color origin, intrepret trending and pattern following entirely different than your quoted, 'diminishing  probability'. They will follow what it has displayed because they believe it will be the same way once again, such as the player always losing a subsequent hand for say 6 times when the Banker had a natural. They will generally intrepret that as meaning, 'it' will continue the same. That's why people that follow numbers get zapped the majority of the times.

[alrelax]

Of course there are times and key triggers, of course! But as a consistent whole all the time, it will not pan out.....

There are absolute sections, say horizontal wise on the card, maybe 4 or 5 sections will hold true to a pattern or trend.  The problem I bring forward is so many, looking at something on hands 0-20 and wagering on it continuing the same on hands 60-80.

[Jimske]

This is untrue, but keep believing.  In fact a substantial player last night called out exactly what I mentioned on this thread when another went against everyone and he lost.  I told him how I mention this to other players and exactly what I look at and how they gloss over it in search of applied statistics and mean reversion in the long run tactics and he got a laugh out of it.  And I am very surprised that given you mentioned you are married to an Asian that you are so down on them as players.  I see quite the opposite as far as skill and they have excellent sportsmanship and spirit for the game.

LMAO.  You really are a newbie i d i o t trying to sound experienced aren't you?  There is one reason and one reason only that Asian players are the biggest losers.  That is that the majority of players are Asians!!!!!  If the majority were Anglo then THEY would be the biggest losers!  Have you never asked yourself why this game generally has the highest spreads between min and max?  Have you never asked why this game is one of the most lucrative for the casinos.

Furthermore nobody who plays this games regular gives one hoot about the long run or reversion to the mean as you suggest - except maybe Asymbac.  You really don't have a clue, do you?  But the bulls h i t sure is deep!

Here's a clue for you.  Nobody who plays this game is buying your nonsense but it sure is entertaining!