I was reading through some of the Gambler's Glen archives tonight and found this........
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Now I am not really sure what to make of this. However it was posted by a guy with a pretty decent reputation at the time.
There are not many Bac shoes online.....I did a quick search and found 2 that A Dulay has posted.
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In this one, PPB comes before PBP.
also PBB comes before BBP.
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In this one, PPB comes before PBP.
also PBB comes before BBP.
and for the 'trifecta' BPP comes before PPB and PPP.
Weird huh!
The guy in the Gambler's Glen post did quote a load of old mathematical texts he had studied which helped him come to his conclusions.
Anyway, it's something that could be easily looked into by anyone with enough shoes to go through.
Alternatively, if it works, maybe it will work with the corresponding even chance bets.
I am on the case.
cheers
Yes, please be on the case.
This sounds a a bit over the top to me.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 26, 2014, 02:17:19 AM
This sounds a a bit over the top to me.
That's what I first thought. But I like to check things out before dismissing them.
I did find 1000 randomly generated shoes on the Wizard of Odds site.
http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt (http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt)
There were three other combinations this guy mentioned as well.
PBPB before BPBB.
PPBB before BBB.
PBBB before BBB.
So I ran through the first 50 shoes looking to see if BPP comes before either PPB or PPP.
Y for Yes.
N for No.
01) Y
02) Y
03) Y
04) Y
05) Y
06) Y
07) Y
08) N
09) Y
10) Y
11) Y
12) Y
13) Y
14) N
15) Y
16) Y
17) Y
18) N
19) Y
20) N
21) Y
22) N
23) Y
24) Y
25) Y
26) Y
27) Y
28) Y
29) Y
30) N
31) Y
32) N
33) Y
34) N
35) N
36) Y
37) Y
38) Y
39) Y
40) Y
41) Y
42) Y
43) N
44) Y
45) N
46) N
47) Y
48) Y
49) Y
50) Y
38 Yes vs 12 No.
First 100 shoes and I will just post the results like some people post their Bac shoes.
So this is BPP appearing before PPB or PPP.
Y for Yes.
N for No.
YYYYYYY (7)
N (1)
YYYYY (5)
N (1)
YYY (3)
N (1)
Y (1)
N (1)
Y (1)
N (1)
YYYYYYY (7)
N (1)
Y (1)
N (1)
Y (1)
NN (2)
YYYYYYY (7)
N (1)
Y (1)
NN (2)
YYYYY (5)
N (1)
YY (2)
N (1)
YY (2)
N (1)
Y (1)
N (1)
YYYYY (5)
N (1)
YYYYYYYYY (9)
N (1)
YYYYYYYY (8}
N (1)
YYYYYY (6)
N (1)
Y (1)
NN (2)
YYYYY (5)
78 Y vs 22 N.
It looks pretty conclusive to me that you will see BPP appear before PPB or PPP.
Bally
Thanks for all that hard work.
I was not saying it was not true, just that I was too lazy to check it out. But you have some program??
Now that we know this little ditty, what do we do with it?
Samster
So taking the above into account. (BPP before PPB or PPP)
How would I attack it?
Walk up to a table about to deal a new shoe.
If I see BP........bet for P.
If I see P.......bet for B.
Just my initial thoughts.
Hello Sam,
I was just testing manual.
So far, I have only looked at the BPP before PPB or PPP because that was mentioned as the strongest.
of the others......
PBBB before BBB was also considered strong.
This is the kind of voodoo stuff that interests me! :))
Sound very intresting, i got 50 shoes. If you want them i can post them here.
Carlitos 8)
that is one very good theory and you can surround some others around it and do very very well!
Bally
I have a program that converts ECs to PBs if you want it.
You can use Random.org for your numbers and then make them in PBs.
Thanks to Mattymattz for this program.
Sam
Hello Carlitos,
Yes thanks! That would be appreciated.
Thank you Tomla,
It's all still a bit of a head scratcher at the moment! The bet that seems to make the most sense out of this is to bet B after seeing an initial P at the beginning of the shoe.
Cheers Sam, very kind of you. :thumbsup:
almost impossible to lose with that one, add light progressions!
Guys,
By now, I would hope that you would have moved beyond chasing imaginary patterns. Some of you have been on these boards for years.
There's a real way to get an edge at baccarat. It's documented and it's won millions.
Risk consultants around the world will tell you it's the biggest AP threat out there.
It's called "sort play". I've described it in some detail in another post.
Rather than building on the same foundation of ignorance, over and over and over and over and over and over and over...Take the time to research and build on the knowledge that more experienced people have posted. Read what the experts and gaming consultants are saying. Listen to those of us that can actually do the math and are experts on the game. Believe it or not, we're not here to mislead you as part of some vast conspiracy.
Watching people rediscover the pattern tracking is like watching them reinvent the Martinagle day after day. It's been tried to death, and it doesn't work!!!
If you don't believe me, then trust what other gaming experts have to say. People like the Wizard of Odds, Dr. Elliot Jacobson, and others.
Read, learn, trust the experts, and improve your game, or waste more time away from friends and family chasing a fools folly.
Here's where you start: http://jacobsongaming.com/apheat/ (http://jacobsongaming.com/apheat/)
There are several methods described in detail that will enable you to really get the edge and win.
(If you're serious about the game, then read it, eat it, drink it, learn it!)
And for heavens sake put away the absurd up as you lose progressions and pattern nonsense before someone loses and eye!
Xander
Xander,
Your advice regarding looking at ways to win using AP is appreciated.
Can you explain why the pattern BPP (1/8) is coming out at a ratio of 75% to 25% compared to PPB and PPP (2/8).
For that matter.....can anyone explain it?
Thank you.
Small sample, curve fitting, etc. No meaning, just a dead end.
OK, here's how to use this puppy: Go to random.org and ask for as many numbers as you'd like--say 1,000--and ask they be random ones or twos. Then cut and paste them into the converter. One is player; two is banker.
Sam
Thanks again, Matty!
Cheers Sam :thumbsup:
Bally,
See this article: http://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue55/features/nishiyama/index
Unfortunately you can only take advantage of this if you have a particular kind of setup (which the casino doesn't offer). There have to be two players, one of which picks a pattern, then the other player can always pick another pattern which will appear before it. The casino, however, doesn't pick anything - you just get an endless stream of patterns. If they did offer such a bet, you can guarantee it wouldn't be in your favour. :(
Thanks Bayes,
I will need to read that article a few times to get my head around it.
Here they are,
1 BPPBBBBPPPPPBBBBBTPBBBBPTPTPPBBBBBPPBPBBTBTBBBBTBPPPPPPBTT
BBBPBBPBBBBPBBTPBBPBPBTP
2 PPPPP BBBB T PPPPP B T P BBBB T P BB T B T P B PPP BBB P BB
P BBB PPPP BB P BB PP B PPPP T PBB P T BB P B P BBB PPPPPPP B
3 BBBB P T BBB PP BBBBB P B PPP BBBBB P BB P BBB P BB P BBB
BB PP BBB P BBB P BB P BB T B P B P B PPPPPP BBBBB T
4 PBBBBPBPBBPTBBBBBPPTPTBBBPPPPBPBPBPPBTBPB
BBBBPPPBPTBBBBBTPPPBBBBTBPPBBPPBBBBBPTPP
5 PPPPTPPBBPPBPBPTPBTBPBBBBBPPBBPPPBPBPP
TBPBPBBPTPPBBPBBBBPBPPPTPBPPBBBBBTBBBT
6 P BBB P B P B P TT PPP BBBBB P T P BBBBBB P BB T PP BBB P
B PP T P BB P B T P BB P BBBB PPP B T B P T P B PP BBBB T BBB P
7 T B PP BBB P BBBB P BBBB P B P B P BBB PP BBB P B PPPPPP B
BB P B PPP BBB PP TT BB P BB PP BB PP B PP B PP BBBB PP BB
8 BBBB PPP B PPPP T PPPPP BBB T B PP B P T P BBBBB PP BB P
PPP BBBB PPP B P B P B P BBB P B P BBB P BB P BBB P BB T BB T
9 PPBPTPBPPBBPPPPPPPPPPBPBPBBPPBPPPBPBBBBTB
BBPPBPPPBPPPBPPBTBPPPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBTBBB
10 PPBPPTBBPPBBPPPPBBTBPPPTPPPBPTBBBBPBBBB
PPTPBTPPPBPPBPTTPPTPPBPPBTPBBBBBBPBTBPBB
11 PBBBBBBBPPPPBTPBTPPTBPPPBBPPBBBPPTBBPPBB
BTPBBBBBBPPBPPTPPBBPBBBPPBPBBPBPBTPP
12 PBPPBPPPPBPBBPPPTBBPPBBPPPTPPPBPPBBTPBPPP
BPPPPPBBPBBBPPBBPPBBPPPBBPBBBBBPB
13 BTTPPPPPBPBPPBPBBTBPBTTPBBBTPPBPTPBTBBTBB
PBBPPPBPBPPPBPPPPBPPBPBBBBBPBPPBPPBBBP
14 BBPBPPTBBBBTBPPBBBBBPBPBPBBBTBPPPPBBBBPB
TPBPPPBBBPPBPPPPBBBPTBBBPBPBBBBPPPPPPBBB
15 BBBPPBPPPBTTPBPPBBPPBPBPPPBPPBPBPPBPBBBBP
PBBBPBBBBBPPBPBPBBPBTBPBTBBBBBPBPPBBBPTB
16 PPPBBTBBPBBBBBPPPBPTPPBBBPPBBBPPPBPPBBPPP
BPPPPTPTPPPBPPPBPBBPBPPPBBBBBBPBBBBBTB
17 BPBTBPPPPPBBBBPBPBBPPBPBBBPBPPBPPPBPBBPTP
PBBBPBTBBBPTTTBBBBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBB
18 PPBPTTPTPPBPBBPBBBBPTBBBPTPPBTBBPBPBBBBPT
PPBBPPBBPBTPBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBP
19 PPTTPPBBPBTBPPTBBBPBBBBBBBPBPPBBPBBPTBPBP
PBTBBBPPBPPPPTTPTTPTPBPPTTBTBPPPPBBBBPBP
20 BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBTTTTPPBBPTTPBPPBBBPBPBPPT
BPPBBBBTPTBBPPPBPPPPBPTPTBBPPBBBBBPPBPB
21 BTPPPBPPBPPPBPBTBBBBPBBTBPTBBBBBBBTPBPPPP
BBPPPPTBBTBPBTPPBPPPBBPBBBTBTBPPBBPPBB
22 PBBBPBPPPBBBTPPBPBBPBPPPPPPPBBBTPBBBBBPPP
PBBPBBBBPPPBPPBPBBPPBPBBBPPTBBPBBPPTBPBP
23 BPBPBPBPBBBBBBTBPBBPPPBPTBBBPPPPTBPPBPPTP
PPPTPBBTPBPBPBPPBBPPTBBBBPTPBBPBBTTBBPBTB
24 PPPBBBPBBPBBBBTBBPBBPBPPBPPPBBPPBPPPBBBPB
BBPBPPPBBBTBBBTBBBPBB
25 P T BB P B PPPP B PP BB P T B P T B P BB P T PP BB PPP B P B P B P TT P
BB P BB P B P BB PPP B P B T BBBB PPP BBBBBBB P BB P
26 BBBBBPPBBPPPPPBBPTBBTPTPBPPPBPBPPPBPBPBBT
PPPPBPPBBBTPBPPPPPBBBPPPPBBPPPBPB
27 TTBBBBBTBPTBPBBPPPPBBPBBTPPPPBBTPBBTPBTPP
BPBPBBPPTBBBBBPPBPPBTPBTBBPPBPBBBPB
28 BBPBPPPBTBPPBPBPPPPBTTPPBBPBPTBBBPBBPPPBP
BPPBBBPBBPTBPBPPPPTBBBBBPPBTBBPTBPBBPPTBPT
29 BBPBBTPTPBBBPPBPPBBBTBBPBBPBBBBPPTPBPBBPP
PPPBPPBBTBPPPBPBPBBPBPBPBPBBPPBPPBPBPPP
30 PPBTBPPPPTBBBBTBPTBBPBPTTPBPPBBPBBBPBTBPB
PBPPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBBTPPBTPPBPBBBPBBBBPBB
31 PBBPBPTPPPPPPBBPBPBBBPBTPBPPPBPTPBBPBPBPPB
BPBBBBTPPPBPTBPBPTBTBPPPPBPPBBPBBBPPT
32 TTBPPPBBBBPPPPPTTPPPBBPPBBBBBPPPPTTBTTBPPTP
PBBBPBTPBPBBPBPBPBPBTPBBPTBBBPTPPP
33 BBBBPTBBBBPPPTBBBBPBBBBBBPBPBPBTPPPPTPPBBP
PTPBBBPBBBPBPBBPBBBBPBBTBPBTPPPPPPBBP
34 PPPBBBPPBBPPBBBBPBTBPPPBPBBPPPTPBTBBBBPBPBP
BPPBPTBBBPBBPPBPPPPPBBPBBBB
35 BBPBBPBBBPPPBBTPBTPPBBBPPPBPBBBBBBBTPPPBT
BBBBPBPPBBBPBBTBPBBBBBBBPBBPPPBTBPBBPPB
36 PBBBBPTBBTPBPPBPBBPBPPPBPBPBPPBPPBBPPPPPPT
BBBPBBBBBBPPBPPPBPBBBPBPPPBTBPTPBBTP
37 BPPPPPBPBBPBPBPPTPBBBPBPPPBBBPPPPBPBPBBBPT
BBPPPBPBPPBTBPPPBPBPBPPBTBP
38 BTPBBPBPBBPPPPPTBBPBBBBBBPBPBBPTPPBPBPBPPP
BBBBBBBBPPPPBBBPPBPBBBPBPPPBBPTPTPBBT
39 BBTPBTPTPPBTBPBPBBPBPBBPPPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPPT
PBPTPTBTBPBPPPPBBPPBBBBPPTBPPBPPBBPB
40 PPPBBBTBBTPBPBBTPPBPBPBBPBBPBPBBPBPBBPTPTP
PTPPPTBBBPPPBBTBBBBBBBBBBPBBBPPBTPPPPB
41 PBPPPBPTBBBBTPBPTTBBBPPBPBPPTBPPPBPPPBBBPP
BBBBPBBTPPPBPPPPBBTPBBPBBBBPBBBBPBBPPB
42 BPPBBBBBPPPBPBTPBBBTPBTPPTBBPBBBBPBTBPBPP
TTBTPBBPPBTBPPBBPBBBBPBTTPPPPBBBPPPBB
43 PBBPPPBBPPBBPPBPPBBPBBBPBBTBBBBBBPPPPPBBB
BPTBBBTPPTBBPPPBTBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBBP
44 BBBTPTPPBPPBTTBBPPTTBBPPBBPTPPBBTPBPBBPPP
PPTBPBPPBPPBBPPPPBPPBBPTPBTPBBBPPBBPBB
45 PPBTBPBPBPBBBPBBBTTPBBBBBPPBPPBPTPTTTPPBB
PPBPPPTBPTBBBPTPPPBBPPBPPPPPBBBB
46 PBBPPPPPBBBTTBPPPPPBPBBPBTPTPBBBBBPBTPPPP
BPPBTBPTBPBBBPBBBPPPBPPBPPTBPBPBPBBBPB
47 TBPPBBPBPTBBPBPBPBBPPBPPTPBPPPPPBPPBPBBBB
BPPBPPBBPPTBBBBPBBBTTPBPPPBBBPBBPBPTBBT
48 PPPPPBPPBBPPBBPPPBTPPPPPBBPBPBBBPBBTPBBPB
BBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBBPPBPPBBBPBBBTPTBPBPBBB
49 BPPBTPTBBBPPPTPTTBPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTBBBBPTBPP
BBBBPBBPTTPPPBPPBBPPTPPBBPPPPTPTPPTPPT
50 PBBPPBTBBPBTPBPBPPBPBPBPBBTTBBBBBBBBBPBBB
PBPBBBPBBBBPPPPPPBBTBPPPPPPPBBPPBPBPPTB
Carlitos 8)
Was kind of interesting --I played in Florida tuesday and wends...---I just played ppb using straight parlays to hit all 3 in a row ( 1 then 2 then 4 ) ----when in trouble i bumped my bet up say after 10 losses----it played out very well!!!
Tomla can you post a shoe on how you played thanks
honestly didn't keep any scorecards when I finished-----it was a just a simple way to play (was just off the plane and a tad inebriated)
Post might be interesting for very subtle reasons, anyway I don't see why scoring "just" triplets can lead to a possible practical edge.
Which point of attack should we take?
Generally speaking, the more likely "closing" hand for any triplet (or any single disposition for that matter)is a Banker hand, still a too tiny amount to take advantage of. And regarding these triplets "time" factor doesn't matter too much.
Triplets are too small fragments to consider and they are totally exposed to the volatility typical of baccarat. Singletons and runs don't.
as.
Bubble bust. Posted at the time by Sam Redman, he plucked some math related coin toss he stumbled across on the web and applied it to Baccarat, which the findings had nothing to do with. Here is the article where it came from http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinTossing.html (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinTossing.html)
My opinion is that, although data derived from coin tossing studies might indeed have relevance to baccarat results, attempting to design a winning system based on trending (of which this approach is a variation) is an exercise in futility. There is more concrete and practical data describing frequency of occurrence of the various strings or streaks (1's, 2's, 3's etc). Perhaps some sort of mechanical pattern capturing method combined with an effective money management approach to overcome the inevitable losses (from periodically occurring known nemesis sequences) might be the best approach to winning at baccarat. However, to win that way would require enormous focus, discipline and patience which most players are unable or unwilling to commit to the game.
Quote from: Polemic on May 09, 2014, 12:23:09 PM
My opinion is that, although data derived from coin tossing studies might indeed have relevance to baccarat results, attempting to design a winning system based on trending (of which this approach is a variation) is an exercise in futility. There is more concrete and practical data describing frequency of occurrence of the various strings or streaks (1's, 2's, 3's etc). Perhaps some sort of mechanical pattern capturing method combined with an effective money management approach to overcome the inevitable losses (from periodically occurring known nemesis sequences) might be the best approach to winning at baccarat. However, to win that way would require enormous focus, discipline and patience which most players are unable or unwilling to commit to the game.
Many baccarat players should print and hang up to the wall this post.
as.