I post the link to an old thread from the gambling glen cuz it apply to baccarats as well as the dice. I can't stress enough that cats lacking in balls and/or bankroll got no shot at winning regular at dice. baccrats or any other form of speculations, hey hey.
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=136&forum=Craps_Message_Board
Quote from: soxfan on June 11, 2016, 02:24:36 AM
I can't stress enough that cats lacking in balls and/or bankroll got no shot at winning regular at dice. baccrats or any other form of speculations, hey hey.
So if we have enough balls and/or bankroll, we will win regularly at any form of speculations?
Quote from: soxfan on June 11, 2016, 02:24:36 AM
I can't stress enough that cats lacking in balls and/or bankroll got no shot at winning regular at dice. baccrats or any other form of speculations, hey hey.
Quote from: Garfield on June 11, 2016, 05:32:05 AM
So if we have enough balls and/or bankroll, we will win regularly at any form of speculations?
I agree with Soxfan on this one. While you can win doing just about anything from flat betting to any kind of progression, winning consistently will require a large bankroll and a lot of balls. I would be lucky to win once in 20 sessions flat betting. With large bankroll and balls, I can probably do it 15-16 out of 20 sessions. I'm not talking about the outrages winning sessions where you win 50+% of your bankroll . I'm talking about winning 6-10% of the bankroll.
I doubt flat betting can even make you a winner in the short run. If someone say they can, prove me wrong.
Quote from: Babu on June 11, 2016, 06:15:50 AM
I doubt flat betting can even make you a winner in the short run. If someone say they can, prove me wrong.
Betting flat don't feed the bulldog, hey hey.
Quote from: Garfield on June 11, 2016, 05:32:05 AM
So if we have enough balls and/or bankroll, we will win regularly at any form of speculations?
You must have balls/bankroll in abundance if you wanna win regular at high risks/rewards speculation like futures/forex/baccarats etc., hey hey!
Quote from: soxfan on June 12, 2016, 01:08:43 AM
You must have balls/bankroll in abundance if you wanna win regular at high risks/rewards speculation like futures/forex/baccarats etc., hey hey!
nothing ventured nothing gained but it is not about having a big bankroll for the session but to use it more efficiently to manage the risk to have a chance.
Quote from: wannawin on June 12, 2016, 03:30:30 AM
nothing ventured nothing gained but it is not about having a big bankroll for the session but to use it more efficiently to manage the risk to have a chance.
It is about the large bankroll. $10 min table, you can do a lot of management with $500+ br. With $100, not much to manage. $25 min table, you can do a lot of management with 3K bankroll but not a lot with $200 or $300 br.
Hello Soxfan ,
Back a few years you had real good success with The Carsch Progression on DP side of craps .
Just wondering if you still are using and continue to do well ?
Thanks SOXFAN !... :thumbsup:
Quote from: johnnycs1 on June 15, 2016, 06:19:37 PM
Hello Soxfan ,
Back a few years you had real good success with The Carsch Progression on DP side of craps .
Just wondering if you still are using and continue to do well ?
Thanks SOXFAN !... :thumbsup:
Yes I use the modified carsch style for few months to make my daily bread grinding the don't at the dice table before I switched to the baccarats, hey hey.
Quote from: Babu on June 12, 2016, 12:05:00 PM
It is about the large bankroll. $10 min table, you can do a lot of management with $500+ br. With $100, not much to manage. $25 min table, you can do a lot of management with 3K bankroll but not a lot with $200 or $300 br.
Do you want to win or gamble?
$500 at a $10 minimum table is gambling and not enough. IMO you need $1000 at a $10 table, so that IF you drop a few hundred (-$400), you have scoop to convert to $25 units to recoup. Unfortunately there is NO EDGE in Baccarat, no voodoo magic, no statistics you can bank on, all you have is your money management smarts, the bigger your army the less likely you will lose the battle, you also need to be a general that can keep his head...
Quote from: MarkTeruya on June 16, 2016, 08:09:00 AM
Do you want to win or gamble?
$500 at a $10 minimum table is gambling and not enough. IMO you need $1000 at a $10 table, so that IF you drop a few hundred (-$400), you have scoop to convert to $25 units to recoup. Unfortunately there is NO EDGE in Baccarat, no voodoo magic, no statistics you can bank on, all you have is your money management smarts, the bigger your army the less likely you will lose the battle, you also need to be a general that can keep his head...
All of us are here to win and all of us are gambling. No matter how you put it, we are all gambling.
Agree. My point was a bigger bankroll to allow you to manage your money. Smarter management? I'm not so sure but at least a chance to so some form of management. I never mentioned anything about having an edge on bet selection.
Quote from: MarkTeruya on June 16, 2016, 08:09:00 AM
Do you want to win or gamble?
$500 at a $10 minimum table is gambling and not enough. IMO you need $1000 at a $10 table, so that IF you drop a few hundred (-$400), you have scoop to convert to $25 units to recoup. Unfortunately there is NO EDGE in Baccarat, no voodoo magic, no statistics you can bank on, all you have is your money management smarts, the bigger your army the less likely you will lose the battle, you also need to be a general that can keep his head...
So how do you plan to get back from $600 with $25 unit bet? IMO $25 with $600 is worse than $10 with $500.
I've tried from $10k, $4k, $300 buy-in BR and IMO the chance to win is all the same. The only difference is with smaller buy-in BR it's easier to buy-in if you have busted. With $300 I could buy-in 2-3 days after I've busted and with $15k I may need 2-3 months to buy-in again.
And frankly from my experience, with $300 BR I usually could gain $900-$1,200 for each winning session but with $10k my max is to get $10k from my winning session. And with $300, I have more winning session than if I use $10k.
Well, IMO it's all subjective. For me the reward should AT LEAST equal to the risk.
I rather risk $300 to gain $300 than risk $10k to gain $3k.
Do everyone agree it's easier to gain $3k from $10k than to get $300 from $300 ???
And not to mention the stress. IMO the bigger the BR, the tension and the stress is also bigger.
Garfield, you are pretty much spot-on, UNLESS of course you have played say over 20,000 shoes which would equate to around 1,250 (24 hour days) of play over say 10 years or so, then you close your eyes, don't pay attention to the board, the players, and consider the shoe never ever having a flow, strong or weak, and throw your wagers up and play for hours on end, usually more than 24 hours in one day of course and then go home (a winner each and every time!!!!) and type on BetSelection before going to sleep to chastise others, also within that same 24 hour time span you already exhausted in full using at the baccarat table, you didn't eat, sleep, go to the bathroom or anything!!!! But I can only assume, the time in some countries say Australia for instance, has 40 to 60 or more hours in each and every day????? All of the preceding was IMO.
One more thought of mine about Money Management.
For me now it isn't about progression at all (positive/negative).IMO, if there's no such thing as HG for Bet Selection, there isn't one for MM also.
So nothing could help you to have a slightly better chance against the casino. Nope we aren't that lucky.
But someone stated in this forum that because MOST couldn't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
Having the nice fat, sufficient bankroll is key; but if ya don't have the balls to come over the top, putting cake at risk to back yer play then all the bankroll in the world ain't gonna help ya! That's why I posted the link to the cautionary tale of the dave-R and the gameguy, hey hey.
Looks like thin-skinned alrelax is about to spit the dummy, oops he already did, never mind fella, don't forget concentrate really hard while studying those red and blue circles....
Quote from: Garfield on June 16, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
One more thought of mine about Money Management.
For me now it isn't about progression at all (positive/negative).IMO, if there's no such thing as HG for Bet Selection, there isn't one for MM also.
So nothing could help you to have a slightly better chance against the casino. Nope we aren't that lucky.
But someone stated in this forum that because MOST couldn't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.
There may be no HG for mm/progression scheme but some are demonstrably better/worse than others, hey hey.
Quote from: Garfield on June 16, 2016, 05:42:37 PM
So how do you plan to get back from $600 with $25 unit bet? IMO $25 with $600 is worse than $10 with $500.
I've tried from $10k, $4k, $300 buy-in BR and IMO the chance to win is all the same. The only difference is with smaller buy-in BR it's easier to buy-in if you have busted. With $300 I could buy-in 2-3 days after I've busted and with $15k I may need 2-3 months to buy-in again.
And frankly from my experience, with $300 BR I usually could gain $900-$1,200 for each winning session but with $10k my max is to get $10k from my winning session. And with $300, I have more winning session than if I use $10k.
Well, IMO it's all subjective. For me the reward should AT LEAST equal to the risk.
I rather risk $300 to gain $300 than risk $10k to gain $3k.
Do everyone agree it's easier to gain $3k from $10k than to get $300 from $300 ???
And not to mention the stress. IMO the bigger the BR, the tension and the stress is also bigger.
Hello, Garfield. I've always enjoyed your posts, and this one is no exception. Much food for thought therein....
Money management is such a vital part of our play, so that any discourse can prove valuable:
Let's begin by looking at your last sentence, regarding "tension and stress". I've spoken often about every player's own personal "comfort zones"....bet sizes should be comfortable and therefor relatively easy to play with. Goodness Knows, this game brings upon enough "tension and stress" just by its very nature; we, as players, needn't be adding to that by "over-betting" with dollars/chips that are simply to large for either or bankrolls or our psyche.
Not to mention the inherent "hesitation" that accompanies one's over-betting....you know what I mean....when the player is thinking of placing their bet but, instead, hesitates (and eventually fails to do so) because the stress on their bankroll and their psyche have overcome them. That, my friends, can only be, in the long run, the absolute WORST bet selection process that one could EVER employ. Simply gotta make those bets that you're triggered into....otherwise, you're simply setting yourself up for failure.
And so we learn to keep our bets within our own personal comfort zones.....OK, done.
Next Garfield's post touches upon the "how much" and/or the "how many units" topic. This, as well, becomes again a matter of personal taste. That said, I will offer my opinion on the subject:
For me, personally, I've never done better, over the long run, as when I decided to reduce my unit sizes and bet smaller. Why? Because of the afore-mentioned "hesitation" that I spoke of and its accompanying stress. I finally decided that I, for lack of a better phrase, simply "didn't need the aggravation". It was becoming over-whelming for me, and so I needed a change....a change for the better. And that change came in the form of both unit-size reduction, and, naturally, buy-in reduction.
Now, I can play longer and more often. Sure, I win less, "dollar-wise". Of that there can be no doubt. But, you know what, fellas: "F" the money! I'm much more important to myself than the money can ever be, so "F" it! I'd rather play COMFORTABLY and AFFORDABLY. And, without the hesitation and stress that comes with large units and large buy-ins.
And guess what happened: my play improved and I'm winning more units. Albeit, smaller units, but still, MORE units. And, even more importantly, any losses are RECOVERABLE losses. And, frankly speaking, my friends, ain't that the "name of this game"? Losses happen....will you let them destroy you (read: risking a huge session bankroll) or might it be better to keep them both manageable and recoverable? I believe the answer is rather obvious.
You see, my friends, we as players MUST control what we can control. And then tailor that to our BEST GAME...our best chance at succeeding over the long run in this game. We mustn't ever be our own worst enemies at the tables....and believe me, I see it time and time again from these desperate players. And so we should make sure that we're doing everything in our power to give us the absolute best chance....lesser unit sizes and lesser session bankrolls, to me, lead to a longer (and better) life at the tables.
And, as always, I wish it for all of you. Take care, and stay well.
Thx, gr8. Nice to see you again.
For some reasons, some post's from member here are more reasonable and accepted for me than others. I could clearly understood what they said because that's what I experienced also.
But for some, it's hard for me to chew what they posted. Really. I guess the world out there is bigger than I expected. You could never said "I've seen everything".
As much as the casino "love" any system player, I believe they also love the fat BR player. Really. I don't believe they will hate player who bring $xxxk or even $xxxM come into their door.
They will even might provide a red carpet for you.
IMO.
If that's the fact, well I should consider quit because no matter what I couldn't compare to casino's BR, which I would dare to say almost unlimited.
If only I could have 5%, or even 1%, or even less than a percent of any casino's BR, that's should be enough for me.
Funny, how casino never refuse any amount you put. And guess which side is winning more. Player, on the other hand, who have the chance to choice when to bet, still losing more.
Well, I must be taking too much sh*t this week. LoL.
Quote from: Garfield on June 17, 2016, 09:19:57 PM
As much as the casino "love" any system player, I believe they also love the fat BR player. Really. I don't believe they will hate player who bring $xxxk or even $xxxM come into their door.
They will even might provide a red carpet for you.
IMO.
If that's the fact, well I should consider quit because no matter what I couldn't compare to casino's BR, which I would dare to say almost unlimited.
If only I could have 5%, or even 1%, or even less than a percent of any casino's BR, that's should be enough for me.
Funny, how casino never refuse any amount you put. And guess which side is winning more. Player, on the other hand, who have the chance to choice when to bet, still losing more.
Well, I must be taking too much sh*t this week. LoL.
Cats have got the gavel just for winning regular using the "system". And lots of joints are stingy as far as offering the nice fat spread between min-max bet, hey hey.