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[soxfan]

I post the link to an old thread from the gambling glen cuz it apply to baccarats as well as the dice. I can't stress enough that cats lacking in balls and/or bankroll got no shot at winning regular at dice. baccrats or any other form of speculations, hey hey.
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=136&forum=Craps_Message_Board

[Garfield]

I can't stress enough that cats lacking in balls and/or bankroll got no shot at winning regular at dice. baccrats or any other form of speculations, hey hey.

So if we have enough balls and/or bankroll, we will win regularly at any form of speculations?

[Babu]

I can't stress enough that cats lacking in balls and/or bankroll got no shot at winning regular at dice. baccrats or any other form of speculations, hey hey.

So if we have enough balls and/or bankroll, we will win regularly at any form of speculations?

I agree with Soxfan on this one.  While you can win doing just about anything from flat betting to any kind of progression, winning consistently will require a large bankroll and a lot of balls.  I would be lucky to win once in 20 sessions flat betting.  With large bankroll and balls, I can probably do it 15-16 out of 20 sessions.  I'm not talking about the outrages winning sessions where you win 50+% of your bankroll .  I'm talking about winning 6-10% of the bankroll.

I doubt flat betting can even make you a winner in the short run.    If someone say they can, prove me wrong.

[soxfan]

I doubt flat betting can even make you a winner in the short run.    If someone say they can, prove me wrong.

Betting flat don't feed the bulldog, hey hey.

[soxfan]

So if we have enough balls and/or bankroll, we will win regularly at any form of speculations?

You must have balls/bankroll in abundance if you wanna win regular at high risks/rewards speculation like futures/forex/baccarats etc., hey hey!

[wannawin]

You must have balls/bankroll in abundance if you wanna win regular at high risks/rewards speculation like futures/forex/baccarats etc., hey hey!

nothing ventured nothing gained but it is not about having a big bankroll for the session but to use it more efficiently to manage the risk to have a chance.

[Babu]

nothing ventured nothing gained but it is not about having a big bankroll for the session but to use it more efficiently to manage the risk to have a chance.

It is about the large bankroll.  $10 min table, you can do a lot of management with $500+  br.  With $100, not much to manage.  $25 min table, you can do a lot of management with 3K bankroll but not a lot with $200 or $300 br.

[johnnycs1]

Hello Soxfan ,

Back a few years you had real good success with The Carsch Progression on DP side of craps .

Just wondering if you still are using and continue to do well ?

Thanks SOXFAN !...

[soxfan]

Hello Soxfan ,

Back a few years you had real good success with The Carsch Progression on DP side of craps .

Just wondering if you still are using and continue to do well ?

Thanks SOXFAN !...

Yes I use the modified carsch style for few months to make my daily bread grinding the don't at the dice table before I switched to the baccarats, hey hey.

[MarkTeruya]

It is about the large bankroll.  $10 min table, you can do a lot of management with $500+  br.  With $100, not much to manage.  $25 min table, you can do a lot of management with 3K bankroll but not a lot with $200 or $300 br.

Do you want to win or gamble? 

$500 at a $10 minimum table is gambling and not enough.  IMO you need $1000 at a $10 table, so that IF you drop a few hundred (-$400), you have scoop to convert to $25 units to recoup.  Unfortunately there is NO EDGE in Baccarat, no voodoo magic, no statistics you can bank on, all you have is your money management smarts, the bigger your army the less likely you will lose the battle, you also need to be a general that can keep his head... 

   

[Babu]

  Do you want to win or gamble? 

$500 at a $10 minimum table is gambling and not enough.  IMO you need $1000 at a $10 table, so that IF you drop a few hundred (-$400), you have scoop to convert to $25 units to recoup.  Unfortunately there is NO EDGE in Baccarat, no voodoo magic, no statistics you can bank on, all you have is your money management smarts, the bigger your army the less likely you will lose the battle, you also need to be a general that can keep his head... 

   

All of us are here to win and all of us are gambling.  No matter how you put it, we are all gambling.

Agree.  My point was a bigger bankroll to allow you to manage your money.  Smarter management?  I'm not so sure but at least a chance to so some form of management.  I never mentioned anything about having an edge on bet selection.

[Garfield]

  Do you want to win or gamble? 

$500 at a $10 minimum table is gambling and not enough.  IMO you need $1000 at a $10 table, so that IF you drop a few hundred (-$400), you have scoop to convert to $25 units to recoup.  Unfortunately there is NO EDGE in Baccarat, no voodoo magic, no statistics you can bank on, all you have is your money management smarts, the bigger your army the less likely you will lose the battle, you also need to be a general that can keep his head... 

   

So how do you plan to get back from $600 with $25 unit bet? IMO $25 with $600 is worse than $10 with $500.

I've tried from $10k, $4k, $300 buy-in BR and IMO the chance to win is all the same. The only difference is with smaller buy-in BR it's easier to buy-in if you have busted. With $300 I could buy-in 2-3 days after I've busted and with $15k I may need 2-3 months to buy-in again.

And frankly from my experience, with $300 BR I usually could gain $900-$1,200 for each winning session but with $10k my max is to get $10k from my winning session. And with $300, I have more winning session than if I use $10k.

Well, IMO it's all subjective. For me the reward should AT LEAST equal to the risk.

I rather risk $300 to gain $300 than risk $10k to gain $3k.

Do everyone agree it's easier to gain $3k from $10k than to get $300 from $300

And not to mention the stress. IMO the bigger the BR, the tension and the stress is also bigger.

[alrelax]

Garfield, you are pretty much spot-on, UNLESS of course you have played say over 20,000 shoes which would equate to around 1,250 (24 hour days) of play over say 10 years or so, then you close your eyes, don't pay attention to the board, the players, and consider the shoe never ever having a flow, strong or weak, and throw your wagers up and play for hours on end, usually more than 24 hours in one day of course and then go home (a winner each and every time!!!!) and type on BetSelection before going to sleep to chastise others, also within that same 24 hour time span you already exhausted in full using at the baccarat table, you didn't eat, sleep, go to the bathroom or anything!!!!  But I can only assume, the time in some countries say Australia for instance, has 40 to 60 or more hours in each and every  day??  All of the preceding was IMO.

[Garfield]

One more thought of mine about Money Management.

For me now it isn't about progression at all (positive/negative).IMO, if there's no such thing as HG for Bet Selection, there isn't one for MM also.

So nothing could help you to have a slightly better chance against the casino. Nope we aren't that lucky.

But someone stated in this forum that because MOST couldn't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

[soxfan]

Having the nice fat, sufficient bankroll is key; but if ya don't have the balls to come over the top, putting cake at risk to back yer play then all the bankroll in the world ain't gonna help ya! That's why I posted the link to the cautionary tale of the dave-R and the gameguy, hey hey.