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[Drewm]

hey guys , first timer here...
From Midwest, we have few casinos in the area and I just star playing baccarat since sept of last year (learned in veags)

Just wondering if anyone out here playing this game seriously enough to make full time job and make living on it?

[AsymBacGuy]

Hi!

Think about this: anyone wishing to make a living at baccarat knows it's a mathematical EV- game.

Therefore this player must know that every bet he/she will make will be EV-, no matter what.

Anyway, the game is somewhat limited NOT by human considerations instead by statistical features.

In a word we can't interfere with the mathematical world, we might just take advantage of some statistical features.

That's because whereas the mathematical world is infinite, statistical world is limited in some way (alas, no guarantees about this last assumption).

Imo, the "I wish to be or I'm a baccarat for a living" player must always remember what most likely can happen for one, two, ten or even twenty or more shoes.
Then it has to compare the gap about what is entitled to expect with what he observed/played on the real outcomes he witnessed.

If one thinks that at baccarat everything will be possible anytime and everywhere, he better change game for obvious reasons.
Worse yet if a person thinks to guess what will be more likely to happen following what the actual shoe has produced. It would be too easy...

In a word, a possible make a living player cannot hope to get the best of it by utilizing the same tool house uses to beat customers, that is mathematics.

He is forced to try to take advantage of some statistical features the game will provide along the way.

Now, after having properly assessed certain OBJECTIVE statistical features, the player may use the mathematics to try to get some help on his side, as anything can be possible but only from a theorical point of view.

If any player is telling you that he's a long term winner he must prove that either he's able to control the negative outcomes by the only mathematics (impossible task) or by statistical features (possible task after very selected situations had occurred).
Utilizing mathematics on those last occurences, imo, will improve a lot our results.

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[soxfan]

I said it again and I'll say it before; they baccarats is a serious thing but most cats ain't serious. I personally know a coupla cats that maker their daily bread at the dice or baccarats table. But most cats ain't got the balls, bankrolls, discipline or desire to make the baccarats their fulltime gig, hey hey!

[AsymBacGuy]

I said it again and I'll say it before; they baccarats is a serious thing but most cats ain't serious. I personally know a coupla cats that maker their daily bread at the dice or baccarats table. But most cats ain't got the balls, bankrolls, discipline or desire to make the baccarats their fulltime gig, hey hey!

I agree, but it's not the mathematics alone which can transform us into winners.

as.   

[Drewm]

Hey ... Lol that some deep thoughts.... I just want to know if there was one but I agree with you

[AsymBacGuy]

Hey ... Lol that some deep thoughts.... I just want to know if there was one but I agree with you

The best man to ask something about making a living at this game here it's gr8player.

as.

[Smoothie]

Drewm shoot me a pm. 

[gr8player]

The best man to ask something about making a living at this game here it's gr8player.

as.

Very kind of you, AsymBacGuy, to pronounce such confidence in my Baccarat methodologies, and I hereby thank you for it.

That said, however, I'm not so certain that I could be of much assistance for this OP, based mostly upon his own admission, thus:  "...just started playing baccarat since Sept...".

You see, my friend, so very much of my play is based upon experience....vast experience garnered through over 30 yrs of playing this game.  And based, as well, upon my "brain".  Yes, that's correct, my brain.  My most powerful weapon that I bring to the table, bar none, is my ability to think, to react, and to pounce.  All done through "brain power"; and make no mistake of it, my friends, there is no better nor no greater weapon in your overall arsenal.

It's a bit ironic that I bring this this up at this point in time in this forum, as there happens to be some interest (as there usually is) in a static (read: mechanical) bet selection process based upon some 9-column betting option.  To which I say:  baloney.  These players are, quite simply, "barking up the wrong tree".  The only answer that will be found in ANY static betting options is always and forever the same:  it all boils down to a 50/50 proposition.  So why waste your time and energy on that, when your brain power can be utilized so much more efficiently and practicably.

This game will be beaten over the long term ONLY by players that are able to play a much more subjective game; a game chock-filled with the very necessary Patience and Discipline and Money-Management and Consistent Bet Selection Process(more on that later) combined with Strict Win/Loss Goals.

OK.  Let's expound on that seemingly ever-debated and ever-sought yet ever-so-elusive:  Consistent Bet Selection Process:

Here's mine, in three simple words:  Follow The Shoe.  Let the shoe be the determining factor in your bet placements.

OK, OK.  I can hear some of you screaming from all the way over here on my side of the computer..."that's just trending nonsense!".  Well, yes, it is....if you choose to trend "nonsensically".

True trending (and let's call it "bias-following", as well) is an art form.  It's not simply following streaks (FTL) or following chops (OLD).  It's much more the knowledge (the knowledge that comes with vast experience) that this game, being a closed-end shoe-dealt game, can and most certainly WILL, at times, display certain traits (read: trends/biases) that can be exploited by the savvy player.

So that savvy player awaits those most opportune of times and then he pounces (reads: bets).  Just as importantly, when those  opportunities are found lacking, they sit out(read: no-bet).  They remain patient, disciplined, and steadfast.  They know when they're right, and, just as importantly, they know when they're wrong, and they have a suitable response to either outcome.

And the savvy trender KNOWS what their best trends/biases are; they know what they look like because they look STRICTLY for them.  And thusly they are consistent in their bet placement strategy; never wavering or putting up a bet just on a whim.  No, their bets are proven...proven by what this shoe (or portion thereof) appears disposed to dispense.

Is it an exact exact science?  Nope.  It's more a desire for the shoe to hold its trend/bias just enough to profit from.  Look, I'm not sitting there hoping to win 10, 20 bets in a row.  Rather, I seek PROFIT.  If I gain a unit or two or three on a particular trend/bias, so be it.  I'm a happy man.  On to the next opportunity.

What's wrong with profit...ANY profit.  Never saw a player yet go broke as he was pocketing profits along the way, regardless of size.  Now, with that philosophy, obviously, one cannot be risking crazy units on some elongated negative progression.  Hence, money-management comes into the fore-front, as well.  I prefer not to make any bet over two units...sometimes, in a really biased shoe, I'll go to three.  And, should I get ahead by 5 or more units, I MUST exit betting that shoe with at least 3 units of profit, for I refuse to let the "unravel" (my term for the dissolution of current trend/bias) cause me to forfeit my entire gain.

It's called using your "brain".  Playing smart.  Playing to win.

Again, as always, I wish it for all of you.  Take care, and stay well.

[Babu]

Follow shoe, stop the cut wagering. There are no mechanical multi hand systems that will prevail.   If anyone tells you they do with great success, I challenge it as complete falsehoods.

Cut the shoe, stop the following wagering. There are no mechanical multi hand systems that will prevail.   If anyone tells you they do with great success, I challenge it as complete falsehoods.

[Drewm]

I like to believe there's a always some type of pattern ..  But I also believe every hand is new game as well.... But then again what the hell do I know... I been only playing sept of 2015 I got sucked into it been doing okay... Currently on a winning streak.

[Drewm]

Hey alrex...I hear you and I appreciate it.. Yes I agree when you are up u should quit... But I like the damn game lol... On a serious note... I know a person who buys in at 10k plus upro 25k and bet really heavy per hand upto 5k per hand. And when he wins he does really well.. Like wining of 20k in one shoe would be normal but then again losing 20k one night will be common as well.... I tell him do not play that high but he's argument would be "drew, you buy in at 2 to 3 k and betting 200 to 600 per hand and winning 2k per shoe...it's Sam theory as him" well so what do u think about that idea?

[Donkeyskillz]

Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.

I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.

I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never  bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short

My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet  banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a  professional  but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.

[AsymBacGuy]

It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it

LOL

as.

[Drewm]

I rarely play ties .. So alrex when u play ..do u see screen and follow screen like Macau style etc? I use on my own score board using 4 lines and 6 lines.

[Drewm]

Hey donkey, first thanks for sharing.... That's great sounds like you keep it under control which you need it playing this game... Btw what do u mean 8 units? U mean like 8k?