hey guys , first timer here...
From Midwest, we have few casinos in the area and I just star playing baccarat since sept of last year (learned in veags)
Just wondering if anyone out here playing this game seriously enough to make full time job and make living on it?
Hi!
Think about this: anyone wishing to make a living at baccarat knows it's a mathematical EV- game.
Therefore this player must know that every bet he/she will make will be EV-, no matter what.
Anyway, the game is somewhat limited NOT by human considerations instead by statistical features.
In a word we can't interfere with the mathematical world, we might just take advantage of some statistical features.
That's because whereas the mathematical world is infinite, statistical world is limited in some way (alas, no guarantees about this last assumption).
Imo, the "I wish to be or I'm a baccarat for a living" player must always remember what most likely can happen for one, two, ten or even twenty or more shoes.
Then it has to compare the gap about what is entitled to expect with what he observed/played on the real outcomes he witnessed.
If one thinks that at baccarat everything will be possible anytime and everywhere, he better change game for obvious reasons.
Worse yet if a person thinks to guess what will be more likely to happen following what the actual shoe has produced. It would be too easy...
In a word, a possible make a living player cannot hope to get the best of it by utilizing the same tool house uses to beat customers, that is mathematics.
He is forced to try to take advantage of some statistical features the game will provide along the way.
Now, after having properly assessed certain OBJECTIVE statistical features, the player may use the mathematics to try to get some help on his side, as anything can be possible but only from a theorical point of view.
If any player is telling you that he's a long term winner he must prove that either he's able to control the negative outcomes by the only mathematics (impossible task) or by statistical features (possible task after very selected situations had occurred).
Utilizing mathematics on those last occurences, imo, will improve a lot our results.
as.
I said it again and I'll say it before; they baccarats is a serious thing but most cats ain't serious. I personally know a coupla cats that maker their daily bread at the dice or baccarats table. But most cats ain't got the balls, bankrolls, discipline or desire to make the baccarats their fulltime gig, hey hey!
Quote from: soxfan on June 05, 2016, 11:37:59 PM
I said it again and I'll say it before; they baccarats is a serious thing but most cats ain't serious. I personally know a coupla cats that maker their daily bread at the dice or baccarats table. But most cats ain't got the balls, bankrolls, discipline or desire to make the baccarats their fulltime gig, hey hey!
I agree, but it's not the mathematics alone which can transform us into winners.
as.
Hey ... Lol that some deep thoughts.... I just want to know if there was one but I agree with you
Quote from: Drewm on June 06, 2016, 12:13:19 AM
Hey ... Lol that some deep thoughts.... I just want to know if there was one but I agree with you
The best man to ask something about making a living at this game here it's gr8player.
as.
Drewm shoot me a pm.
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on June 06, 2016, 02:44:05 AM
The best man to ask something about making a living at this game here it's gr8player.
as.
Very kind of you, AsymBacGuy, to pronounce such confidence in my Baccarat methodologies, and I hereby thank you for it.
That said, however, I'm not so certain that I could be of much assistance for this OP, based mostly upon his own admission, thus: "...just started playing baccarat since Sept...".
You see, my friend, so very much of my play is based upon experience....vast experience garnered through over 30 yrs of playing this game. And based, as well, upon my "brain". Yes, that's correct, my brain. My most powerful weapon that I bring to the table, bar none, is my ability to think, to react, and to pounce. All done through "brain power"; and make no mistake of it, my friends, there is no better nor no greater weapon in your overall arsenal.
It's a bit ironic that I bring this this up at this point in time in this forum, as there happens to be some interest (as there usually is) in a static (read: mechanical) bet selection process based upon some 9-column betting option. To which I say: baloney. These players are, quite simply, "barking up the wrong tree". The only answer that will be found in ANY static betting options is always and forever the same: it all boils down to a 50/50 proposition. So why waste your time and energy on that, when your brain power can be utilized so much more efficiently and practicably.
This game will be beaten over the long term ONLY by players that are able to play a much more subjective game; a game chock-filled with the very necessary Patience and Discipline and Money-Management and Consistent Bet Selection Process(more on that later) combined with Strict Win/Loss Goals.
OK. Let's expound on that seemingly ever-debated and ever-sought yet ever-so-elusive: Consistent Bet Selection Process:
Here's mine, in three simple words: Follow The Shoe. Let the shoe be the determining factor in your bet placements.
OK, OK. I can hear some of you screaming from all the way over here on my side of the computer..."that's just trending nonsense!". Well, yes, it is....if you choose to trend "nonsensically".
True trending (and let's call it "bias-following", as well) is an art form. It's not simply following streaks (FTL) or following chops (OLD). It's much more the knowledge (the knowledge that comes with vast experience) that this game, being a closed-end shoe-dealt game, can and most certainly WILL, at times, display certain traits (read: trends/biases) that can be exploited by the savvy player.
So that savvy player awaits those most opportune of times and then he pounces (reads: bets). Just as importantly, when those opportunities are found lacking, they sit out(read: no-bet). They remain patient, disciplined, and steadfast. They know when they're right, and, just as importantly, they know when they're wrong, and they have a suitable response to either outcome.
And the savvy trender KNOWS what their best trends/biases are; they know what they look like because they look STRICTLY for them. And thusly they are consistent in their bet placement strategy; never wavering or putting up a bet just on a whim. No, their bets are proven...proven by what this shoe (or portion thereof) appears disposed to dispense.
Is it an exact exact science? Nope. It's more a desire for the shoe to hold its trend/bias just enough to profit from. Look, I'm not sitting there hoping to win 10, 20 bets in a row. Rather, I seek PROFIT. If I gain a unit or two or three on a particular trend/bias, so be it. I'm a happy man. On to the next opportunity.
What's wrong with profit...ANY profit. Never saw a player yet go broke as he was pocketing profits along the way, regardless of size. Now, with that philosophy, obviously, one cannot be risking crazy units on some elongated negative progression. Hence, money-management comes into the fore-front, as well. I prefer not to make any bet over two units...sometimes, in a really biased shoe, I'll go to three. And, should I get ahead by 5 or more units, I MUST exit betting that shoe with at least 3 units of profit, for I refuse to let the "unravel" (my term for the dissolution of current trend/bias) cause me to forfeit my entire gain.
It's called using your "brain". Playing smart. Playing to win.
Again, as always, I wish it for all of you. Take care, and stay well.
Quote from: alrelax on June 06, 2016, 06:13:54 PM
Follow shoe, stop the cut wagering. There are no mechanical multi hand systems that will prevail. If anyone tells you they do with great success, I challenge it as complete falsehoods.
Cut the shoe, stop the following wagering. There are no mechanical multi hand systems that will prevail. If anyone tells you they do with great success, I challenge it as complete falsehoods.
I like to believe there's a always some type of pattern .. But I also believe every hand is new game as well.... But then again what the hell do I know... I been only playing sept of 2015 I got sucked into it been doing okay... Currently on a winning streak.
Hey alrex...I hear you and I appreciate it.. Yes I agree when you are up u should quit... But I like the damn game lol... On a serious note... I know a person who buys in at 10k plus upro 25k and bet really heavy per hand upto 5k per hand. And when he wins he does really well.. Like wining of 20k in one shoe would be normal but then again losing 20k one night will be common as well.... I tell him do not play that high but he's argument would be "drew, you buy in at 2 to 3 k and betting 200 to 600 per hand and winning 2k per shoe...it's Sam theory as him" well so what do u think about that idea?
Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.
I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.
I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short
My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a professional but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 07, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it
LOL
as.
I rarely play ties .. So alrex when u play ..do u see screen and follow screen like Macau style etc? I use on my own score board using 4 lines and 6 lines.
Hey donkey, first thanks for sharing.... That's great sounds like you keep it under control which you need it playing this game... Btw what do u mean 8 units? U mean like 8k?
When i used to bet ties i would enter the shoe at hand 36 and min bet the tie to hand 41. From hand 42 on would be small incremental progression as to ensure a profit in the shoe. The closest I came to losing was I had 1 shoe that the tie didn't come till the very last hand in the shoe and tied at 6. Dealers that were new to dealing baccarat were dangerous if they did not understand the drawing rules of the game as casinos were new in Canada at that time. I used to stalk the boards of six tables at a time to find a spot to bet.
When i go to the casino every day i use $ 400 for my session bankroll and use $50 as my unit size . I use 8 units per session because it is easy to recover the next day or week and i don't lose control and martingale my life savings when player side is dominant in any given session. i got sick of winning 5 out of 6 days a week and only being up $500 for the week cause i could not accept a losing day. I eventually started taking notes on everything and calculating my average units won and never rebet any units won in a given session.
Greetings everyone as this is my first post on this forum.
Five weeks ago I saw my first zero tie shoe at a mini Baccarat table in south Florida. The more amazing thing is the very next shoe had only 2 ties. As the majority of you players know, the mini Baccarat tables are machine shuffled. I noticed after many years of playing these type of shoes that patterns seem to repeat often.
Whereas in the high limit room where they call it "midi Baccarat" and you touch the cards and they use 8 factory fresh decks every shoe, it's much more rare to see the same repetitive patterns between shoes at the same table.
Patience, Follow the shoe, use the "no bet" when opportunity isn't obvious and most important MOVE over to a different shoe if it goes against you 5 or more in a row twice. That is the only way that works for me.
Justin :thumbsup:
Hey Justin thanks for sharing... Then is there dollar amount goal? Do you stop at certain $$? I usually stop after 1 shoe depends on how much I am up...if I double ( my seed $ is usually 2k to 3k per session so I like to double it) but then again I don't go no more than 3 to 4 times per week at the most. And thank god I been doing well lately lol
I usually like to play high limit room but I noticed that (MGM) when they receive 8 decks that's pre shuffle from factory they run it thru their shuffle machine as well I have personally seen it many times and they veriled as well. I don't play tie at all...bad odd. Lol
Quote from: alrelax on June 07, 2016, 03:02:37 AM
As far as ties, I have seen only 1 shoe in the over three decades that had zero -0- ties in it. I have seen only a few with 1 or 2 or 3 for the whole shoe but it does happen.
Willpower is the only possible thing that will allow someone to walk away a small winner or a small loser.
I very seldom bet the Tie (egalite), I've seen / played a few shoes no with Ties. One of which was followed by another shoe that went to about 30 hands before the Tie finally came, so about 100 or so hand all up, you can guess what happened next..
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 07, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.
I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.
I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short
My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a professional but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.
Absolute perfection, Donkeyskillz....first post and you hit it out of the park. Amazing! Keep up the great work.
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 07, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.
I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.
I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short
My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a professional but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.
Came back to see the bull.'When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER'
So you played through five sessions for a staggering low total of 1 hour and 45 minutes and according to ^This you scored 5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2 units on each of those occasions which occurred on a streak of those units in a row with no loss out of the gates or after playing each session within a max of 8 units down. Each session from bet one or reaching zero again you rolled undefeated to score these win totals.
AND WHAT TOPS IT OFF IS THAT NOBODY ON HERE CALLS THIS AS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND MORE LIKELY IMPOSSIBLE FROM THE GROUP THAT THINKS THAT NOBODY WHO GAMBLES WINS. FIGURES - Average Session Time: 21 Minutes - BANK IT. I used the best restroom available to non- high limit players last night after I was finished playing and all in that took more than 10 minutes when including the time it took to get there.
I HAVE FINALLY MET HIM - YOU COMPLETE ME. I WANT TO SWIM IN YOUR GOLDEN CAVIAR FILLED POOL.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdRFo71wxcU
Quote from: Drewm on June 07, 2016, 10:27:17 AM
Hey Justin thanks for sharing... Then is there dollar amount goal? Do you stop at certain $$? I usually stop after 1 shoe depends on how much I am up...if I double ( my seed $ is usually 2k to 3k per session so I like to double it) but then again I don't go no more than 3 to 4 times per week at the most. And thank god I been doing well lately lol
I usually like to play high limit room but I noticed that (MGM) when they receive 8 decks that's pre shuffle from factory they run it thru their shuffle machine as well I have personally seen it many times and they veriled as well. I don't play tie at all...bad odd. Lol
Drewm, I have a minimum profit goal of $100 if I have been losing. However, when I am up by $2000 or more I will not leave with less then $1000. Wins and losses average $1000 a day. Playing as much as 8 hours at a time if need be. I'm very conservative flat betting, but do bet as much as 3 units when the wins are back to back. Session loss limit is $4000 or less but rarely goes there.. I also stay away from tie bets unless there is an unusual consistent pattern.
You appear to bet more aggressive and therefore be prepared for a deep losing streak that will come. When you notice that everything you do is working against you, back off your unit size and wait it out as it could last a few days. You will know when it ends BUT You now know it IS coming. Remember these words and you you might die a winner :nod:
Justin :thumbsup:
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 07, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.
I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.
I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short
My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a professional but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.
This is excellent discipline and a great plan. This is what everyone needs if you want to play long term or play everyday.
The first few hours are usually the best hours when you are mentally more alert and patient. So to leave with a win (no matter how small) when you lost the last bet, takes a lot of discipline and will power. Also if you lose your bankroll, you go home. Most of us will head to the ATM several times for more disaster.
There are a few masters here that I have picked up valuable tips from, like gr8 and Alrelax.
1. I have learnt to follow the shoe and play it by sections. But these few days I got my discipline tighter even, I only play a few hands per shoe. Win that section and then leave the shoe. I am a trend player and I don't care if another wave of the same trend reappears again, which rarely happens.
2. I try and catch about 3-4 hands out of the trendy section. I like to play the Banker more, so it means waiting for the opportunity to bet on banker before I strike. Everyone has a different style. It doesn't matter as long it moves according to what you anticipates.
3. If I lose one hand, it means I am wrong. Previously I will parlay on the next hand, which will make it more disastrous. Better stay on the side and watch. If you still cannot understand the next two hands, then your game is over. I will move on to one I can follow.
4. I now know playing Baccarat is like trading the stock market. You cannot trade without understanding the market for the day, you cannot buy without a plan, you have to wait for opportunity and you cannot force the direction of the market.
5. I have learn to value every dollar. Previously I would carry 10k and hope to win another 10. I am rarely satisfied with even 1k win and I will chase that initial 1k win after losing it, and usually I end up losing all. But now, even if its $300 win, I will leave. A win is a win. I try not to think about previous losses and just focus on the day.
I think, its still possible to play long term. But to win big money, it requires big bankroll and a tremendous amount of training and discipline. And I am still learning from everyone here to perfect this skill.
Thanks everyone!
Quote from: 21 Aces on June 07, 2016, 05:52:26 PM
'When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER'
So you played through five sessions for a staggering low total of 1 hour and 45 minutes and according to ^This you scored 5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2 units on each of those occasions which occurred on a streak of those units in a row with no loss out of the gates or after playing each session within a max of 8 units down. Each session from bet one or reaching zero again you rolled undefeated to score these win totals. AND WHAT TOPS IT OFF IS THAT NOBODY ON HERE CALLS THIS AS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND MORE LIKELY IMPOSSIBLE FROM THE GROUP THAT THINKS THAT NOBODY WHO GAMBLES WINS. FIGURES
Hello, 21 Aces. I think you might be mistaken regarding Donkeyskillz post about his play:
He is not saying that he goes "undefeated" at these sessions. What he is saying is that he pockets his winning bets, refusing to risk any units that he has already won. So his stated wins are not acquired, necessarily, with "no losses", they are strictly his net gains, after all losses considered.
Much more importantly, what you and other members of this forum should be picking up on in this "Playing Baccarat For A Living" thread is this commonality among the responders:
1.) We mostly flat bet, adjusting our unit sizes, if necessary, rather conservatively and based strictly upon certain set parameters (read: variances).
2.) We have very strict win goals and/or loss limits.
3.) We recognize the importance of our "no-bet" option, and utilize it strategically.
4.) We employ a consistent bet selection process, where discipline and patience is the order of the day.
You see, 21 Aces, there are as many different types of baccarat players as there are different types of play, but the serious and savvy players will ALWAYS distinguish themselves, both in this forum and, more importantly, at the tables.
It then becomes the responsibility of the readership to be able to ascertain the difference.
Take care, and stay well.
Quote from: Jerry on June 07, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
This is excellent discipline and a great plan. This is what everyone needs if you want to play long term or play everyday.
The first few hours are usually the best hours when you are mentally more alert and patient. So to leave with a win (no matter how small) when you lost the last bet, takes a lot of discipline and will power. Also if you lose your bankroll, you go home. Most of us will head to the ATM several times for more disaster.
There are a few masters here that I have picked up valuable tips from, like gr8 and Alrelax.
1. I have learnt to follow the shoe and play it by sections. But these few days I got my discipline tighter even, I only play a few hands per shoe. Win that section and then leave the shoe. I am a trend player and I don't care if another wave of the same trend reappears again, which rarely happens.
2. I try and catch about 3-4 hands out of the trendy section. I like to play the Banker more, so it means waiting for the opportunity to bet on banker before I strike. Everyone has a different style. It doesn't matter as long it moves according to what you anticipates.
3. If I lose one hand, it means I am wrong. Previously I will parlay on the next hand, which will make it more disastrous. Better stay on the side and watch. If you still cannot understand the next two hands, then your game is over. I will move on to one I can follow.
4. I now know playing Baccarat is like trading the stock market. You cannot trade without understanding the market for the day, you cannot buy without a plan, you have to wait for opportunity and you cannot force the direction of the market.
5. I have learn to value every dollar. Previously I would carry 10k and hope to win another 10. I am rarely satisfied with even 1k win and I will chase that initial 1k win after losing it, and usually I end up losing all. But now, even if its $300 win, I will leave. A win is a win. I try not to think about previous losses and just focus on the day.
I think, its still possible to play long term. But to win big money, it requires big bankroll and a tremendous amount of training and discipline. And I am still learning from everyone here to perfect this skill.
Thanks everyone!
Jerry, your post appeared just as I was replying to 21 Aces, yet I still feel compelled to comment on yours, as well:
One word: Fantastic! You, my friend, are espousing the true traits of a winner....not just for your next session, but for your long-term play. Keep up the great work! Take care, stay well, and keep "walking that win".
Great feedback everyone's experiences, trials and errors are all welcome and it's great for guys like me starting out.... Justin thanks for your concern and yes I did hav my share of learning curve (when I started back sept 2015) but learned somewhat of lessons since then.
Matter fact since I been writing and reading all these post so I decided to go this morning spend less than 2 hrs played 1 1/2 shoe - bought in for. $2k up $3500! It was pretty good... Very happy w results.
Happy and many winning sessions everyone!!!
'When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER'
This is very clear. He specifically states that when he is winning (that is one way or another goes into a net gain on the session), he will stop when he loses one bet. That means in order to achieve his record of positive gain sessions he is going on an undefeated win streak - either from bet #1 or some bet in the negative. Consecutive wins are achieved until he reaches that 1st loss from a position of net gain. He could not have stated it more clearly along with the blistering average of 21 minutes per session.
If he is stating that he will not go into the negative after being if then he is even more pyramid of hotttt chicks Ftastic because he wins, loses just some amount then wins back 5 sessions in a row all in 21 minutes or less.
Hi everyone!
I would like to clarify a few things from my previous posts as I am new to forums as I don't claim to be a professional baccarat player in any way period at all. Basically all I
do is bet BANKER every hand I do bet. I use a low session bankroll (8 units) because if I lose I can only lose an amount that can easily be recovered on any given day should I place bets in any PLAYER dominant situations. Years ago I used to take 100 units a day to the casino and changed that when I figured out that taking more units than I can win in a session was only good for the casino.
If I have turned a net profit I take it home every time I play. I see people who are ahead every day at some point but they don't have the stones to walk away with the profit and get greedy and leave the casino down 2k plus the 1K they were up for 3K swing daily when I play. Today was a shocker as I watched a woman who was up 5k get greedy and lose it plus another 3k for an 8K swing and leave in tears. So if i am up some banker bets I plan for the exit as quickly as possible and get the hell out of the casino cause the one thing I have 100% control over is when I exit the game.
Hey donkey great points u made... Need to know when to quit when u r up!!! Very true!!
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 09, 2016, 04:38:57 AM
Hi everyone!
I would like to clarify a few things from my previous posts as I am new to forums as I don't claim to be a professional baccarat player in any way period at all. Basically all I
do is bet BANKER every hand I do bet. I use a low session bankroll (8 units) because if I lose I can only lose an amount that can easily be recovered on any given day should I place bets in any PLAYER dominant situations. Years ago I used to take 100 units a day to the casino and changed that when I figured out that taking more units than I can win in a session was only good for the casino.
If I have turned a net profit I take it home every time I play. I see people who are ahead every day at some point but they don't have the stones to walk away with the profit and get greedy and leave the casino down 2k plus the 1K they were up for 3K swing daily when I play. Today was a shocker as I watched a woman who was up 5k get greedy and lose it plus another 3k for an 8K swing and leave in tears. So if i am up some banker bets I plan for the exit as quickly as possible and get the hell out of the casino cause the one thing I have 100% control over is when I exit the game.
Very good post. It takes a lot of practice to be disciplined at the table. Do you have your trigger before betting banker? Thanks
I don't't have any triggers as I just leave the casino if I am up for the session and that's all I do really well. I limit my bankroll exposure to 8 units so that is the most I can ever lose so I don't go on monkey tilt on any given day and lose thousands because I got pissed off and double up on BANKER and player wins again and go home a broke behind loser. I had 1 session in May where I lost 5 units to player wins and only won 3 units on my BANKER bets. I did not add those 3 units to my session bankroll and took those 3 units home and recorded my session as a loss of 5 units.
As players we can only control when we enter the game and when we leave the game, and how many units we lose when we are wrong on any given day. Anything else is
pure bs when it comes to baccarat. As I have said I don't claim to be a pro in anyway in a -ev game as I understand variance really well and the casino's edge which is why
I hit and run and get the hell out of the casino if I am up a couple of units in a session. Some people play for pure pleasure and entertainment only and others play to try and make some money. Both groups will have a completely different approach to this game.
My units are $50 and I take $400 per session only or 2k per week as I play about 5 days on average. My biggest win was 9 units in any one session in May and my biggest
loss was -5 units in May as well. That day Player side won 5 times and I only correctly bet Banker 3 times and did not add those 3 units to my session roll of 8 units. How I got to 8 units is I had many small wins on average when I was winning but when I lost I would lose the 100 plus units I brought to the casino when I had a bad day. Recovering a 100 plus units cann take days or even weeks and I eventually did not see the point of a 100 plus unit session bankroll. Last week I only netted 27 units so at that rate it would take me about 3.5 weeks to recover 1 bad day of a 100 unit loss just to break even for the month. Even worse i could have more than one 100 unit loss in the same month and a much longer recovery point.
For myself losing 8 units takes about 1.5 sessions at the most to recover if I was to lose all 8 units in a single session and that is why I chose to no longer take 5k to any given session that I play.
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 10, 2016, 04:55:57 PM
My units are $50 and I take $400 per session only or 2k per week as I play about 5 days on average. My biggest win was 9 units in any one session in May and my biggest
loss was -5 units in May as well. That day Player side won 5 times and I only correctly bet Banker 3 times and did not add those 3 units to my session roll of 8 units. How I got to 8 units is I had many small wins on average when I was winning but when I lost I would lose the 100 plus units I brought to the casino when I had a bad day. Recovering a 100 plus units cann take days or even weeks and I eventually did not see the point of a 100 plus unit session bankroll. Last week I only netted 27 units so at that rate it would take me about 3.5 weeks to recover 1 bad day of a 100 unit loss just to break even for the month. Even worse i could have more than one 100 unit loss in the same month and a much longer recovery point.
For myself losing 8 units takes about 1.5 sessions at the most to recover if I was to lose all 8 units in a single session and that is why I chose to no longer take 5k to any given session that I play.
Since nobody on here has any sense of what you have actually posted, why don't you explain your 21 minute average session time. I'm working on 20 minutes and almost have it perfected. Thanks for playing.
If I am up a couple of units I take them home with me and I don't risk more units than I can win in any one session. Should be simple to understand
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 11, 2016, 02:25:19 AM
If I am up a couple of units I take them home with me and I don't risk more units than I can win in any one session. Should be simple to understand
I happen to play in the real world and I think your estimate of play time and performance is either way off or you don't play. ^This is not what you stated. What you specifically stated is in line with my first comment to your first post. You roll in and get on lighting fast win streaks in a blistering average time of 21 minutes and jet. Of course here in la la land where most everyone believes that nobody wins, everyone believes you.
All i stated in my first post was that my last 5 sessions lasted 1.75 hours only. I never stated that all my sessions lasted this long so it is quite obvious i caught a couple of banker bets and got the hell out of the casino. If I take 8 units to the casino it will not be a 10 hour grind. I will either be up or down rather quickly for the session
@Donkey
Don't sweat it. Some understood what your point and some didn't. Don't take part in any cat fight that are going to start.
I play ties when a new dealer takes over, plus I will play for tie on the last hand of the shoe if there has been 12 or more ties in the shoe. This has worked fairly well for me. Also, I sometimes see a tie on one of the first four hands of the shoe.
Quote from: Garfield on June 11, 2016, 05:36:20 AM
@Donkey
Don't sweat it. Some understood what your point and some didn't. Don't take part in any cat fight that are going to start.
I fully understood exactly what he stated and if you and the rest here believe it, it clearly demonstrates that you do not play. BTW, I'm working on 20 Minute Baccarat. Book to be released soon. BOFL and I hope the hell you all know what the 'F' stands for.
Quote from: alrelax on June 22, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
20 Min Baccarat, lots of talk about complete shoes played these days in well under 20 mins?? :o
BOFL, Bust Out Frigging Laughing or Bad Odor Fart Licking. ;D
Quote from: Donkeyskillz on June 07, 2016, 12:18:34 AM
Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.
I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.
I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short
My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a professional but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.
I really don't care anymore, but this is a very detailed and strong statement about play performance which I believe is next to impossible to achieve.
Great question. The reason I responded is that in order for a site like this to have any credibility with respect to a game like baccarat, people that post should point out things that don't make sense or are incorrect. The fact that in this instance nobody else is really questioning was surprising, but not surprising at all.
Quote from: alrelax on June 22, 2016, 10:42:20 PM
So, in all seriousness 21Aces, you consider yourself a baccarat expert?? Is that correct?
Is there such a thing as a baccarat expert? If you know the rules, super, if you know all the bets, great. But, does that make one an expert? Maybe, maybe not? You can have all the knowledge in the world and it still won't always help you win, usually, it's quite the opposite. The more you know, the worse you do.....
Most cats ain't serious about makin their living at the baccarats tables so they should stick to playing for "fun", hey hey.
Big Al only plays for fun, it was so much fun he doesn't maintain records, has no idea if he is up or do since 1979. The usual excuse big losers use to avoid admitting the exact amount squandered (hic). Going by him claims, it must be in the millions (hic). You would of thought any sane person would have stopped by now, but no, my guess a lot of the company profits are still finding it's way to the chip trays (hic, slurp, hic, burb).
Well I was thinking(maybe Ben hoping) there will be lot more people actually playing Bacc for their income.... Here in Midwest area, I see or hear quiet of few people doing it to making living and wanted to read their back ground stories...
Regardless thanks all you guys taking time to post your ideas and stories. 😀😉👍🏻😎✌🏻👌
Anyone playing bac ( full time or just for entertainment ) should record all his results on a spreadsheet ( casino played, time played, hours played, profit or loss per shoe, profit or loss per session, profit or loss per hour played )
All spreadsheets have a graph capability so you can see the statistics in graph format.
If the lines on the graph are heading downward into negative territory, maybe it is time to quit before things get out of control.
Of course all bac players are too lazy to do the above work.
no one on this board plays baccarat solely for their income. I would bet on that, quite large btw......
Quote from: marinetech on June 26, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
no one on this board plays baccarat solely for their income. I would bet on that, quite large btw......
The baccarats is my only source of ACTIVE income, hey hey.
I presume you have considerable passive income by rents, dividends, royalties, pension, etc.
Quote from: james on June 26, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
I presume you have considerable passive income by rents, dividends, royalties, pension, etc.
Yes, that would be correct and I do divert a significant chunk of my baccarats profits into things that provide a steady stream of passive incomes, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on June 26, 2016, 05:18:03 PM
The baccarats is my only source of ACTIVE income, hey hey.
I think we spoke before and this is the internet and you can make any story you want and it's hard for us to disprove it.....
A few have said they make consistent money or most of their money from baccarat but no one provides any proof! Heck, I can say I'm donald trump right? Im bored and just typing away at the baccarat forum!
Hard for anyone to prove i'm not!
Time for red wine and cashews!!
I get clipped for five progression bustout, on average, per 100 shoe so I certainly do have losing session/day and I never claimed otherwise, hey hey.
Hand goes up, I play (have played) for a living and traveled the world doing so, VIP hosts, comp'd accommodation, the works.
this thread should be kept alive.up for awareness for playing baccarat for a living....
Quote from: shaoyonglee on October 20, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
this thread should be kept alive.up for awareness for playing baccarat for a living....
What do you mean playing for a living? are you saying that some one can play baccarat and not having a regular job?
Sound crazy.
I have a full business schedule of over 80 hours a week under extremely negative conditions, no sleep, and do pretty well for my experience. It isn't rocket science. I really do not understand what many of you are speaking about. When I play, I am playing on my worst last hours of the day after a full business day. I can't even imagine having more time to play and on top of that time to relax, lift and play sports, party and raise hell, etc.
Set very modest targets and variance out.
UPDATE - This is an example:
- $10,000 bank roll or whatever.
- $250 profit target for a session.
- Net +$250 average over 6 days a week. Some loss, some right on point, some higher.
- That's $1500 a week = $6,000 a month.
I have to go back and erase anything I posted here. My family members within IGT, CET and a couple others would be embarrassed. I better tell them too, the game might be removed once they figure out they are offering a game of 'non-chance' and everyone can win at it full time and put them out of business. Thanks for the info guys!
There, I removed all my posts and answers. No problem. Go ahead now. I am actually embarrassed for you'll. One clipping in a 100 shoes of playing baccarat. Make money every day. I have a steady income from it. It is not a game of chance. WOW, you guys are NASA Rocket Scientists in Burger King jobs! Seriously.
nobody here makes a living solely playing baccarat. I would wager a large sum of money on that...
this is the internet and anyone can say anything. i can say im the pope or i own microsoft, now what? debunk it please........
The vast majority of cats ain't got what it takes to make the baccarats their fulltime gig. It's that simple, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on October 21, 2016, 09:40:52 PM
The vast majority of cats ain't got what it takes to make the baccarats their fulltime gig. It's that simple, hey hey.
more of a dog person myself, ruff ruff.
Quote from: marinetech on June 26, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
no one on this board plays baccarat solely for their income. I would bet on that, quite large btw......
I've told you I do, have done so for many years. Ok, how am I suppose to confirm, collect, what evidence do you require without me revealing all my personal details? I get it though, by the sheer number of people I have shared a table with in the last decade, 99% of them treat it as entertainment, win, lose, get upset, be happy, go home. So I can fully understand anybody playing this game being sceptical, because most struggle.
Quote from: marinetech on October 21, 2016, 02:42:12 PM
nobody here makes a living solely playing baccarat. I would wager a large sum of money on that...
this is the internet and anyone can say anything. i can say im the pope or i own microsoft, now what? debunk it please........
I accept your wager, how much we talking, what needs to be done to prove it? Just to let you know, I do understand where you are coming from, you've struggled and don't believe anybody else can pull it off. I've felt that way at the tables many many times, it's takes a lot of patience, buckets of it. It drives me up the wall sometimes, yet this it what it takes to be able to pull it off, patience and self-control, especially when it seems each time to bet Banker the Player pulls a natural straight off the bat, yeah once or twice I can handle. Often when I've got one foot out the door and I'm cursing like a MF, that is when you dig deep inside and relax.
Quote from: tdx on June 26, 2016, 04:49:03 PM
Anyone playing bac ( full time or just for entertainment ) should record all his results on a spreadsheet ( casino played, time played, hours played, profit or loss per shoe, profit or loss per session, profit or loss per hour played )
Of course all bac players are too lazy to do the above work.
You don't need all that info, who cares about a losing shoe, it is the session outcome that matters. Personally I record, date, profit or loss, buyin, # shoes played, and briefly how I played, as well as noting any extraordinary (bonuses, promotions, marathon session), you see we aren't all lazy.
Quote from: Sputnik on October 21, 2016, 08:28:36 AM
What do you mean playing for a living? are you saying that some one can play baccarat and not having a regular job?
Sound crazy.
Why does it, BJ players do so, I've heard of people playing Roulette professionally, Sports Bettors, so why not Baccarat.
Quote from: alrelax on October 21, 2016, 12:37:07 PM
and everyone can win at it full time and put them out of business. Thanks for the info guys!
No not everyone, and you don't need to drop $10M first either, you're welcome.
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Quote from: Sputnik on Yesterday at 08:28:36 am
What do you mean playing for a living? are you saying that some one can play baccarat and not having a regular job?
Sound crazy.
Why does it, BJ players do so, I've heard of people playing Roulette professionally, Sports Bettors, so why not Baccarat.
John i just don't understand how some one can make a regular income and pay - rent, food, clothes, savings, pension, bankroll - that would be 3K each mounth as minimum.
I don't fully understand the mechanism or Tools some one use to succés with that.
Regard my self as clever player with good strategies and been testing different solutions.
1) I know Three different progressions that use 30 to 40 steps and can survive 5 SD negative expectation and break even after that hudge drawdown.
But when i test you get some free weeks with no negative expectation and some weeks you can face 1 to 2 negative expectation above 3.0 SD and then you break even when you recoup or accept a small loss. But that is all theory as some session takes over 350 trails to survive such negative expectation and would mean that you can only accept a small win target at beginning of session as you would face such big drawdown would take for ever to recoup. This means that does 20% win target would not add up to 3K playing 7 Days a week for 1 mounth and we would play minimum Wager to increase up in different levels to recoup during negative expectation.
Cheers
I once made a put up or shut up thread on a financial trading forum site where posters literally go into thousands of pages on trading systems, etc. SHOW ME YOUR RIDE. Nobody did. Does it make sense to you that the prototype investor/ trader doesn't like automobiles? Shy?
I can say point blank, there are many, many players at my house who's primary or substantial compensation is from playing. I see their rides, I see what they wear, how they act, spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours with them. How see how they play. How they react when they put down big paper and get smacked. When they win. They all central bankers? Into repeated self torture? Maybe someday things will change? They love being there until 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 am in the morning just for the thrill of the game? A lot of traffic to the desk and cash out all of the time. A lot of players looking like they had a crappy day all of the time. AND I will see them tonight or sometime soon. AGAIN. Win some, lose some, win more on balance.
In the context of a game of chance and house edge, it is possible to win. You find the way and do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZH8zcJUH1M
Quote from: Sputnik on October 22, 2016, 01:30:15 PM
John i just don't understand how some one can make a regular income and pay - rent, food, clothes, savings, pension, bankroll - that would be 3K each mounth as minimum.
1) I know Three different progressions that use 30 to 40 steps and can survive 5 SD negative expectation and break even after that hudge drawdown.
Firstly people can live on a lot less than 3k per month. BTW There is no pension or even a saving scheme.
I rarely suffer huge drawdowns, I bail or am in recovery mode before it gets to that, deep drawdowns are for amateurs.
Christ typing on this forum is pretty bad isn't it, thought it might have been addressed by now.
Quote from: 21 Aces on October 22, 2016, 05:41:53 PM
I once made a put up or shut up thread on a financial trading forum
What were they suppose to put up? This is what I mean MarineTech has made a statement, I say his statement is wrong, so how do we prove it? Do I show him my tax return, that won't tell him anything, my bank statement? I rarely bank my winnings unless I am booking an overseas trip. Am I suppose to fly to Vegas and demonstrate my skill? stuff I do lose occasionally and have to grind that back over a few sessions, the last thing I want is somebody eye-balling me when I'm doing that. How do I prove I have no job? Maybe marinetech has something specific in mind?.
Well, I'm currently leasing, but it's a track star and very fun to drive. So I posted it up. Was I lying? No. Could I have been lying? Yes. But the point is the stereotypical successful Wall Street investor/ trader is into a lot of toys and nobody posted nothing. Too conservation and reserved I guess - lol...
$3,000/ month. How about $30,000? We all have seen big players. And oh yeah, they aren't profitable. Remember, there are many reasons for people to be low profile about earnings...
I personally know of a small handful of cats who make their daily bread at the dices/baccarats tables. But most cats ain't got the balls, bankroll, or burning desire to make the dices/baccarats their fulltime gig, hey hey.
Being survey around the internet, 5D by Kevin Achatz said to be a successful system. Anyone heard before? Member from beatthecasino.com surely do.
Quote from: soxfan on October 23, 2016, 01:15:45 AM
I personally know of a small handful of cats who make their daily bread at the dices/baccarats tables. But most cats ain't got the balls, bankroll, or burning desire to make the dices/baccarats their fulltime gig, hey hey.
How much in your opinion does some one need as lifetime bankroll and what do you mean does not having the balls, does that has to do with some one that been trying to win two in a row chicken out when he or she has to Wager 1000 units for each trail twice ...
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Quote from: Sputnik on Yesterday at 01:30:15 pm
John i just don't understand how some one can make a regular income and pay - rent, food, clothes, savings, pension, bankroll - that would be 3K each mounth as minimum.
1) I know Three different progressions that use 30 to 40 steps and can survive 5 SD negative expectation and break even after that hudge drawdown.
Firstly people can live on a lot less than 3k per month. BTW There is no pension or even a saving scheme.
I rarely suffer huge drawdowns, I bail or am in recovery mode before it gets to that, deep drawdowns are for amateurs.
Christ typing on this forum is pretty bad isn't it, thought it might have been addressed by now.
Are you saying that a staking plan should have a recovery mode or do you say all selection methods should have a grind option to recoup?
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on October 23, 2016, 09:30:45 AM
Are you saying that a staking plan should have a recovery mode or do you say all selection methods should have a grind option to recoup?
They sound the same thing to me. Try not to get in to deep, grind out wins and grind back draw-downs. It is a very rare event for me to bet 10 or more units, and is not common for me to bet even 5 or 6 units, my betting range is usually 1, 2 3 or 4 units.
Quote from: RolexWatch on October 23, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
They sound the same thing to me. Try not to get in to deep, grind out wins and grind back draw-downs. It is a very rare event for me to bet 10 or more units, and is not common for me to bet even 5 or 6 units, my betting range is usually 1, 2 3 or 4 units.
Hi John,
How many units max DD is still manageable using your 1,2,3,4 betting units. What I noticed is the if you are 50% down of you buy in, recovery is very difficult in my case.
If you are 50% down on your buyin, you either bet a little bit more aggressively (first bet 2u instead of 1u, or bet 1u if lose bet 3u), settle in for the long haul and grind everything back, you need to have a lot of faith in your bet selection to do this.
Alternatively perform a chip value change and play at a higher level to recoup. However my experience has taught me it is better to have backed off earlier before you are 50% of your buyin in the hole. This is easier said than done when you are sitting at a table.
Look at these stats and the drop off even in the top 10 batters in the entire Major League. For some, they are the player they were and will be that. Others will find a way to improve.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/seasontype/2
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I'm trying now wish I knew a little more about it. Love this game
Quote from: Sputnik on October 23, 2016, 09:30:45 AM
How much in your opinion does some one need as lifetime bankroll and what do you mean does not having the balls, does that has to do with some one that been trying to win two in a row chicken out when he or she has to Wager 1000 units for each trail twice ...
Are you saying that a staking plan should have a recovery mode or do you say all selection methods should have a grind option to recoup?
Cheers
For my style a thousands units bankroll is sufficient. But yeah, most cats don't have the stones to handle progressions busts. Some cats can't even handle going deep in the progression ladder. But most cats are risk avers and that's why they can't or won't pony up the bankroll to play and win, hey hey.
Bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the john-O got the gavel, again, hey hey.
Quote from: RolexWatch on October 22, 2016, 12:53:08 PM
I've told you I do, have done so for many years. Ok, how am I suppose to confirm, collect, what evidence do you require without me revealing all my personal details? I get it though, by the sheer number of people I have shared a table with in the last decade, 99% of them treat it as entertainment, win, lose, get upset, be happy, go home. So I can fully understand anybody playing this game being sceptical, because most struggle.
I accept your wager, how much we talking, what needs to be done to prove it? Just to let you know, I do understand where you are coming from, you've struggled and don't believe anybody else can pull it off. I've felt that way at the tables many many times, it's takes a lot of patience, buckets of it. It drives me up the wall sometimes, yet this it what it takes to be able to pull it off, patience and self-control, especially when it seems each time to bet Banker the Player pulls a natural straight off the bat, yeah once or twice I can handle. Often when I've got one foot out the door and I'm cursing like a MF, that is when you dig deep inside and relax.
You can prove it by coming to my place and I will deal to you. I'll put up a chip tray matched with a BR that you can chase. You get to keep all your winnings and free Guiness and cashews or whatever.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on October 30, 2016, 12:56:36 AM
You can prove it by coming to my place and I will deal to you. I'll put up a chip tray matched with a BR that you can chase. You get to keep all your winnings and free Guiness and cashews or whatever.
You gonna deal him ten million hand to buck up against the "long run", hey hey?
It's impossible that anyone can gamble professionally.
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Quote from: soxfan on October 30, 2016, 02:09:46 AM
You gonna ten million hand to buck up against the "long run", hey hey?
I'll be there when he's there. You can come and play too hardy hardy ha ha hey hey.
Wow, Johno (rolex watch) and soxfan telling the truth that most don't want to hear and they are getting moderated wow lol. Holler at me johno I just got back from 12 days in Vegas and didn't lose a session. You helped me in the past and I want to help you.
Quote from: 21 Aces on October 30, 2016, 02:41:11 AM
It's impossible that anyone can gamble professionally.
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I guess you never heard of Billy Walters ? ( Google his name )
Quote from: tdx on November 06, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
I guess you never heard of Billy Walters ? ( Google his name )
I was being sarcastic. Very new, playing with no money, playing with no sleep, playing under massive pressure from my 'day job' - already playing pro level. Getting prepared to say WTF and get out and start playing only. There is no in the long run. Every hand has risk. Every hand important. How many times have we all lined up on a side and gotten rolled?
Stay in the pocket and play hard. Your bank roll is a key asset and applying it correctly and being able to muscle your play with it are important (For example I made one very, very, very crappy big bet last night/ this morning that looked like a totally for sure and I got smoked. Made a ton of mistakes missing high payout bet wins. Did some fine tuning that is working).
Win and variance out. It doesn't happen then set a cut point and the houses never close.
Quote from: 21 Aces on November 06, 2016, 05:38:54 PM
I was being sarcastic. Very new, playing with no money, playing with no sleep, playing under massive pressure from my 'day job' - already playing pro level. Getting prepared to say WTF and get out and start playing only. There is no in the long run. Every hand has risk. Every hand important. How many times have we all lined up on a side and gotten rolled?
Stay in the pocket and play hard. Your bank roll is a key asset and applying it correctly and being able to muscle your play with it are important (For example I made one very, very, very crappy big bet last night/ this morning that looked like a totally for sure and I got smoked. Made a ton of mistakes missing high payout bet wins. Did some fine tuning that is working).
Win and variance out. It doesn't happen then set a cut point and the houses never close.
The game is dangerous, be careful. The largest majority and I mean most all of the players--will win and then give it back and chase, chase, chase for the win again.
The game is extremely easy at times and then on the flip side, extremely hard. The spots that appear to be easy wins or so difficult to capture and then the hard ones appear to be the correct ones.
I was playing last night, couldn't win anything, nothing. Caught about 2 out of 10 and then re-grouped, the same thing. Play for the cut and it is all repeating. Play for the repeats and it was all cuts. Wagered 10 times straight on the Fortune 7 and then stop and the very next hand, Fortune 7.
Last Wednesday night, won everything I tried, like 8 out of 10. Hit 5 Fortune 7's in 2 shoes for $25 and $50 each.
Keep the career, the pressure will be a lot less. Everyone I know that ever tried it went broke several times over.
I know... Some nights are butter and others are more like this, and you can go butter to this very quickly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1MQ0Cnbhs
Last night my max P&L was within the first hour or so and undisclosed serious X hours later I finished up less than $100 after going pretty deep. If you play for quite a while and the P&L is not advancing, it's a good sign to stop for that session.
Also, if you sense a bad vibe at the table that doesn't bode well. It pays being with a good bunch.
Quote from: 21 Aces on November 07, 2016, 02:03:22 AM
I know... Some nights are butter and others are more like this, and you can go butter to this very quickly:
Last night my max P&L was within the first hour or so and undisclosed serious X hours later I finished up less than $100 after going pretty deep. If you play for quite a while and the P&L is not advancing, it's a good sign to stop for that session.
Also, if you sense a bad vibe at the table that doesn't bode well. It pays being with a good bunch.
People have a huge tendency to play against themselves. Experience will teach them that, sometimes their gut and hunches are strong indicators of what will happen.
The problem for many, is just that they temporally park their brain and ability to rationalize things out at the table.
I am touching on this problem in a thread within my Blog. I do believe that most players can overcome this problem once they have conscious knowledge of their wins/losses, etc.
Yes. Playing against yourself with bigger and bigger bets is.... Poison
Look at Mav deal with the demons from his fatal crash at TOPGUN.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqfXXaOisKo
Holding on to gains and making more win off of that is very important vs. going back down. A starter approach for holding on to gains is to stop right after. For example, you follow your way into a good progression where you chalk up a very high win percentage. All of a sudden you're up a lot. Stop or set a very tight stop.
Last night two attempts at pushing ahead failed and very quickly I gave back a good amount. Super stoked to get on a strong Bank shoe, press a couple plays with a group and I'm out having almost achieved the high water mark.
If you go on a run that's typically at the high end or above your typical play that should scream attention to focus on keeping it.
Concentration. This election has burned up a lot of energy and I am working to disengage from news and rest. Last night I could not connect and I skipped a snack which sent me into a time where I couldn't focus. Opportunity was popping off everywhere I was one step behind.
Clear mind, stomach satisfied (not overly stuffed and not growling for some grub), no alcohol. Don't pay attention to the phone. Anyone at the table you really detest, don't sit down or completely tune them out 100%. Something with dealers. If you have a known 'dealer cooler' avoid them or sit it out.
Then it is time to play.
Playing to win effectively managing the game
I am not going to disclose, but...:
- I am going to push myself to get off Facebook for as long as possible.
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- I had an incident with another player on Monday where the player incurred wrongly on me and a floor manager. I was ok, but they received some very direct words from senior floor management.
- I have had other player ask me for money or this or that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG7v4y_xwzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W02NfaMnT6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI3WJXNhCJ8
And many do not even know in regards to social media. 100% admissible in court. So much of it is used against people these days. For instance, if you have a personal injury suit the defense can subpoena everything you ever posted in your social media circles, etc. Much more than that, but that is just one example.
Quote from: Smoothie on November 06, 2016, 03:19:50 PM
Wow, Johno (rolex watch) and soxfan telling the truth that most don't want to hear and they are getting moderated wow lol. Holler at me johno I just got back from 12 days in Vegas and didn't lose a session. You helped me in the past and I want to help you.
Hi Smoothie, congrats on your success, nice to hear that what I have in the past somewhere (has helped).
Yeah, you right regarding those other sentiments, moderated WTF
To max your performance on a session, you have to finish with a win. Also, it is very easy to re-engage without focus after you committed to stop if you hang around and start talking about your 'One time in band camp' stories. Last night I stopped with one loss off a great run, but I hung around the table and took two more losses chasing after talking with other players there. I won back some of that and the shoe was still very good, but...
You're either in or you're out. Maybe Heidi has to tell us...
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I've recently been in touch with a cat from South America who claims to make his daily bread at the baccarats table. His style is simple he just runs an anti-streak against the players side only. His per shoe profit is just under two unit but his base unit value is big enough to make it worths while. Just goes to show there is more than one way to skin the cat, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on November 12, 2016, 01:50:20 AM
I've recently been in touch with a cat from South America who claims to make his daily bread at the baccarats table. His style is simple he just runs an anti-streak against the players side only. His per shoe profit is just under two unit but his base unit value is big enough to make it worths while. Just goes to show there is more than one way to skin the cat, hey hey.
Hi Soxfan, Do you know what MM is he using and when does he start his anti- streak against player e.g. after 3P in a row or 4P in a row and how many bets will he go against it. Thanks.
Quote from: jsintl on November 13, 2016, 03:53:25 PM
Hi Soxfan, Do you know what MM is he using and when does he start his anti- streak against player e.g. after 3P in a row or 4P in a row and how many bets will he go against it. Thanks.
Why you ask - 3P give the odds 1 in 8 and 4P the odds 1 in 16 and if does strategy would work out, then everyone would play that way.
Brett Morton made a challange level betting Three attempts and let the winning bet ride once then back to beginning again, he turn 1000 chips to 4000 chips.
He follow the Wheel, but not nessasery play the next hand.
If you can back track what he wrote in his book Playing to win and copy his play you are home free, try to accomplice the same challanges he made with same results and you will play for a living.
his Money management strategy is among the best.
The down side is that he does not in detail explain where and when to bet on what.
Cheers
There are several triggers that work well. The highest majority of the times the anti-3 will work well if you are prepared to go 1 and 2 additional negative parlay's.
However, there is no 100%, period on any system or trigger.
You could also find yourself wagering for the cut on a series of streaks and losing out on the easiest way to rack in the chips. The proverbial Catch-22 that will frustrate the heck out of you.
I think some people misunderstand the word "trigger" with the cutting streaks strategy, thinking that every streak must be cut. It would be too simple...
Itlr some streaks are more likely to be short than long because the asymmetrical factor favors the opposite side. Everytime the as factor doesn't act (all due to actual card distribution) or, worse yet, it did act but the results were mathematically "wrong", we are playing a perfect unguessable 50/50 game.
Thus, imo, along with the actual outcomes we'll have to register the mathematical conditions by which one side should be favored or not.
It takes some time to do the job, yet baccarat players want to guess right and withing short betting intervals.
And whenever they were wrong they want to be right on the very subsequent hands.
A sure recipe for disaster I have experienced many many times.
as.
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on November 14, 2016, 02:07:29 AM
I think some people misunderstand the word "trigger" with the cutting streaks strategy, thinking that every streak must be cut. It would be too simple...
Itlr some streaks are more likely to be short than long because the asymmetrical factor favors the opposite side. Everytime the as factor doesn't act (all due to actual card distribution) or, worse yet, it did act but the results were mathematically "wrong", we are playing a perfect unguessable 50/50 game.
Thus, imo, along with the actual outcomes we'll have to register the mathematical conditions by which one side should be favored or not.
It takes some time to do the job, yet baccarat players want to guess right and withing short betting intervals.
And whenever they were wrong they want to be right on the very subsequent hands.
A sure recipe for disaster I have experienced many many times.
as.
You hit the nail on the head with the ....."subsequent hands"........
And every streak will not cut. True so many do....and as well....so many don't.
I personally really like the trigger when the shoe is producing stronger clumping than when all of a sudden a 3 repeat comes from out of no where in a longer series of 1's and 2's.
I personally really like the trigger when the shoe is producing stronger clumping than when all of a sudden a 3 repeat comes from out of no where in a longer series of 1's and 2's.
yep...not forgetting that the average number of 3+ streaks per shoe is four on P and close to five on the other side.
It's quite unlikely that the above values will be balanced in a way or another after having known 3/4 of any shoe outcomes.
as.
To harp on what I have seen the majority of times over the years is the following:
When there are mainly/with great dominance the 1's and 2's and then the first 3 or even the second 3 repeat comes out, watch out! That is the 6 and 8 and 10 and more streaks. Yes, yes, it could happen at anytime, but just more so on a regular basis then when the shoe is weak.
Quote from: jsintl on November 13, 2016, 03:53:25 PM
Hi Soxfan, Do you know what MM is he using and when does he start his anti- streak against player e.g. after 3P in a row or 4P in a row and how many bets will he go against it. Thanks.
The cat didn't go into the specific. He did say bucking up against the players side only was less volatile; and no tax due on winning bets and not getting clipped by the half-price payoff on the winning bankers hand of six. More importantly, he talked about necessity of the right minds set and sufficient bankroll to grind it out on the days to days basis, hey hey.
Absolutely anything can prevail with a large enough bankroll in baccarat and enough time playing. LOL.
Some (some) of the best wins are completely haphazard without any rhyme or reason or similar.