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[Donkeyskillz]

When i used to bet ties i would enter the shoe at hand 36 and min bet the tie to hand 41. From hand 42 on would be small  incremental progression as to ensure a profit in the shoe. The closest I came to losing was I had 1 shoe that the tie didn't come till the very last hand in the shoe and tied at 6. Dealers that were new to dealing baccarat were dangerous if they did not understand the drawing rules of the game as casinos were new in Canada at that time. I used to stalk the boards of six tables at a time to find a spot to bet.

When i go to the casino every day i use $ 400  for my session bankroll and use $50 as my unit size . I use 8 units per session because it is easy to recover the next day or week and i don't lose control and martingale my life savings when player side is dominant in any given session. i got sick of winning 5 out of 6 days a week and only being up $500 for the week cause i could not accept a losing day. I eventually started taking notes on everything and calculating my average units won and never rebet any units won in a given session.

[Justme]

Greetings everyone as this is my first post on this forum.

Five weeks ago I saw my first zero tie shoe at a mini Baccarat table in south Florida. The more amazing thing is the very next shoe had only 2 ties. As the majority of you players know, the mini Baccarat tables are machine shuffled. I noticed after many years of playing these type of shoes that patterns seem to repeat often.

Whereas in the high limit room where they call it "midi Baccarat" and you touch the cards and they use 8 factory fresh decks every shoe, it's much more rare to see the same repetitive patterns between shoes at the same table.

Patience, Follow the shoe, use the "no bet" when opportunity isn't obvious and most important MOVE over to a different shoe if it goes against you 5 or more in a row twice. That is the only way that works for me.

Justin

[Drewm]

Hey Justin thanks for sharing... Then is there dollar amount goal? Do you stop at certain $$? I usually stop after 1 shoe depends on how much I am up...if I double ( my seed $ is usually 2k to 3k per session so I like to double it) but then again I don't go no more than 3 to 4 times per week at the most. And thank god I been doing well lately lol

I usually like to play high limit room but I noticed that (MGM) when they receive 8 decks that's pre shuffle from factory they run it thru their shuffle machine as well I have personally seen it many times and they veriled as well. I don't play tie at all...bad odd. Lol

[MarkTeruya]

As far as ties, I have seen only 1 shoe in the over three decades that had zero -0- ties in it.  I have seen only a few with 1 or 2 or 3 for the whole shoe but it does happen. 

Willpower is the only possible thing that will allow someone to walk away a small winner or a small loser.

I very seldom bet the Tie (egalite), I've seen / played a few shoes no with Ties.  One of which was followed by another shoe that went to about 30 hands before the Tie finally came, so about 100 or so hand all up, you can guess what happened next..

[gr8player]

Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.

I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.

I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never  bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short

My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet  banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a  professional  but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.

Absolute perfection, Donkeyskillz....first post and you hit it out of the park.  Amazing!  Keep up the great work.

[21 Aces]

Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.

I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.

I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never  bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short

My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet  banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a  professional  but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.

Came back to see the bull.

'When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER'

So you played through five sessions for a staggering low total of 1 hour and 45 minutes and according to ^This you scored 5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2 units on each of those occasions which occurred on a streak of those units in a row with no loss out of the gates or after playing each session within a max of 8 units down.  Each session from bet one or reaching zero again you rolled undefeated to score these win totals.  AND WHAT TOPS IT OFF IS THAT NOBODY ON HERE CALLS THIS AS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND MORE LIKELY IMPOSSIBLE FROM THE GROUP THAT THINKS THAT NOBODY WHO GAMBLES WINS.  FIGURES -

Average Session Time:  21 Minutes - BANK IT.  I used the best restroom available to non- high limit players last night after I was finished playing and all in that took more than 10 minutes when including the time it took to get there.

I HAVE FINALLY MET HIM - YOU COMPLETE ME.  I WANT TO SWIM IN YOUR GOLDEN CAVIAR FILLED POOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdRFo71wxcU

[Justme]

Hey Justin thanks for sharing... Then is there dollar amount goal? Do you stop at certain $$? I usually stop after 1 shoe depends on how much I am up...if I double ( my seed $ is usually 2k to 3k per session so I like to double it) but then again I don't go no more than 3 to 4 times per week at the most. And thank god I been doing well lately lol

I usually like to play high limit room but I noticed that (MGM) when they receive 8 decks that's pre shuffle from factory they run it thru their shuffle machine as well I have personally seen it many times and they veriled as well. I don't play tie at all...bad odd. Lol

Drewm, I have a minimum profit goal of $100 if I have been losing. However, when I am up by $2000 or more I will not leave with less then $1000. Wins and losses average $1000 a day. Playing as much as 8 hours at a time if need be. I'm very conservative flat betting, but do bet as much as 3 units when the wins are back to back. Session loss limit is $4000 or less but rarely goes there.. I also stay away from tie bets unless there is an unusual consistent pattern.

You appear to bet more aggressive and therefore be prepared for a deep losing streak that will come. When you notice that everything you do is working against you, back off your unit size and wait it out as it could last a few days. You will know when it ends BUT You now know it IS coming. Remember these words and you you might die a winner 

Justin 

[Jerry]

Hi this is my first post and i would like to give my opinion on gambling for a living. I just moved to Vegas from Canada in april as my american wife could not stand the snow any longer and had me immigrate . My wife is a poker dealer at the WSOP for 6 weeks a year which is where I met her 2 years ago. I now live 15 minutes from the casino that I go to every day here in Vegas.

I started out as a blackjack counter in Canada years ago when the casinos first open. Eventually they started using shuffle machines and moved on real quickly to a game I knew nothing about called bacarrat. It was a comment from a pit boss that he had never saw a shoe that never had a tie in it and that peaked my interest and entered games where no ties occured in the first 35 hands etc and every possible strategy one could possibly think of.

I keep perfect records of all my sessions including date, casino, result, and time invested
I never  bet plaver and always bet banker
My session bankroll is 8 units and if I lose it I go home
All bets won go home with me every time regardless if the session is up or down so any bets won do not ever get added to my session bankroll and get rebet
When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER
When I am winning it usually happens within the first 30 minutes so I keep my sessions short

My last 5 sessions netted me 27 units for the week (5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2) and I invested a total of 1.75 hours. The partial units is because I side bet  banker for dealer when i am winning. When I am up and lose a bet I go home with the profit every time I play and never give into greed and have 100 % self control. My wife keeps her own records of date and amount won/loss only and takes all the money and keeps it in a separate account so even if I had the impulse to play my wiinnings I only have access to my 8 units per session and that's all i will enter the casino with EVER. I will not go so far to say I am a  professional  but at the moment this is how I am making money in Vegas each day.

This is excellent discipline and a great plan. This is what everyone needs if you want to play long term or play everyday.

The first few hours are usually the best hours when you are mentally more alert and patient. So to leave with a win (no matter how small) when you lost the last bet, takes a lot of discipline and will power. Also if you lose your bankroll, you go home. Most of us will head to the ATM several times for more disaster.

There are a few masters here that I have picked up valuable tips from, like gr8 and Alrelax.

1. I have learnt to follow the shoe and play it by sections. But these few days I got my discipline tighter even, I only play a few hands per shoe. Win that section and then leave the shoe. I am a trend player and I don't care if another wave of the same trend reappears again, which rarely happens. 

2.  I try and catch about 3-4 hands out of the trendy section. I like to play the Banker more, so it means waiting for the opportunity to bet on banker before I strike. Everyone has a different style. It doesn't matter as long it moves according to what you anticipates.

3. If I lose one hand, it means I am wrong. Previously I will parlay on the next hand, which will make it more disastrous. Better stay on the side and watch. If you still cannot understand the next two hands, then your game is over. I will move on to one I can follow.

4. I now know playing Baccarat is like trading the stock market. You cannot trade without understanding the market for the day, you cannot buy without a plan, you have to wait for opportunity and you cannot force the direction of the market.

5. I have learn to value every dollar. Previously I would carry 10k and hope to win another 10. I am rarely satisfied with even 1k win and I will chase that initial 1k win after losing it, and usually I end up losing all. But now, even if its $300 win, I will leave. A win is a win. I try not to think about previous losses and just focus on the day.
 
I think, its still possible to play long term. But to win big money, it requires big bankroll and a tremendous amount of training and discipline. And I am still learning from everyone here to perfect this skill.

Thanks everyone!

[gr8player]

'When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER'

So you played through five sessions for a staggering low total of 1 hour and 45 minutes and according to ^This you scored 5.5, 4.7, 4.5, 5.1, 7.2 units on each of those occasions which occurred on a streak of those units in a row with no loss out of the gates or after playing each session within a max of 8 units down.  Each session from bet one or reaching zero again you rolled undefeated to score these win totals.  AND WHAT TOPS IT OFF IS THAT NOBODY ON HERE CALLS THIS AS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND MORE LIKELY IMPOSSIBLE FROM THE GROUP THAT THINKS THAT NOBODY WHO GAMBLES WINS.  FIGURES

Hello, 21 Aces.  I think you might be mistaken regarding Donkeyskillz post about his play:

He is not saying that he goes "undefeated" at these sessions.  What he is saying is that he pockets his winning bets, refusing to risk any units that he has already won.  So his stated wins are not acquired, necessarily, with "no losses", they are strictly his net gains, after all losses considered.

Much more importantly, what you and other members of this forum should be picking up on in this "Playing Baccarat For A Living" thread is this commonality among the responders:

1.)  We mostly flat bet, adjusting our unit sizes, if necessary, rather conservatively and based strictly upon certain set parameters (read: variances).

2.)  We have very strict win goals and/or loss limits.

3.)  We recognize the importance of our "no-bet" option, and utilize it strategically.

4.)  We employ a consistent bet selection process, where discipline and patience is the order of the day.

You see, 21 Aces, there are as many different types of baccarat players as there are different types of play, but the serious and savvy players will ALWAYS distinguish themselves, both in this forum and, more importantly, at the tables.

It then becomes the responsibility of the readership to be able to ascertain the difference.

Take care, and stay well.

[gr8player]

This is excellent discipline and a great plan. This is what everyone needs if you want to play long term or play everyday.

The first few hours are usually the best hours when you are mentally more alert and patient. So to leave with a win (no matter how small) when you lost the last bet, takes a lot of discipline and will power. Also if you lose your bankroll, you go home. Most of us will head to the ATM several times for more disaster.

There are a few masters here that I have picked up valuable tips from, like gr8 and Alrelax.

1. I have learnt to follow the shoe and play it by sections. But these few days I got my discipline tighter even, I only play a few hands per shoe. Win that section and then leave the shoe. I am a trend player and I don't care if another wave of the same trend reappears again, which rarely happens. 

2.  I try and catch about 3-4 hands out of the trendy section. I like to play the Banker more, so it means waiting for the opportunity to bet on banker before I strike. Everyone has a different style. It doesn't matter as long it moves according to what you anticipates.

3. If I lose one hand, it means I am wrong. Previously I will parlay on the next hand, which will make it more disastrous. Better stay on the side and watch. If you still cannot understand the next two hands, then your game is over. I will move on to one I can follow.

4. I now know playing Baccarat is like trading the stock market. You cannot trade without understanding the market for the day, you cannot buy without a plan, you have to wait for opportunity and you cannot force the direction of the market.

5. I have learn to value every dollar. Previously I would carry 10k and hope to win another 10. I am rarely satisfied with even 1k win and I will chase that initial 1k win after losing it, and usually I end up losing all. But now, even if its $300 win, I will leave. A win is a win. I try not to think about previous losses and just focus on the day.
 
I think, its still possible to play long term. But to win big money, it requires big bankroll and a tremendous amount of training and discipline. And I am still learning from everyone here to perfect this skill.

Thanks everyone!

Jerry, your post appeared just as I was replying to 21 Aces, yet I still feel compelled to comment on yours, as well:

One word:  Fantastic!  You, my friend, are espousing the true traits of a winner....not just for your next session, but for your long-term play.  Keep up the great work!  Take care, stay well, and keep "walking that win".

[Drewm]

Great feedback everyone's experiences, trials and errors are all welcome and it's great for guys like me starting out.... Justin thanks for your concern and yes I did hav my share of learning curve (when I started back sept 2015) but learned somewhat of lessons since then.

Matter fact since I been writing and reading all these post so I decided to go this morning spend less than 2 hrs played 1 1/2 shoe - bought in for. $2k up $3500! It was pretty good... Very happy w results.
Happy and many winning sessions everyone!!!

[21 Aces]

'When I am winning and finally lose a bet I cash out and go home and never risk losing any units won EVER'

This is very clear.  He specifically states that when he is winning (that is one way or another goes into a net gain on the session), he will stop when he loses one bet.  That means in order to achieve his record of positive gain sessions he is going on an undefeated win streak - either from bet #1 or some bet in the negative.  Consecutive wins are achieved until he reaches that 1st loss from a position of net gain.  He could not have stated it more clearly along with the blistering average of 21 minutes per session.

If he is stating that he will not go into the negative after being if then he is even more pyramid of hotttt chicks Ftastic because he wins, loses just some amount then wins back 5 sessions in a row all in 21 minutes or less.

[Donkeyskillz]

Hi everyone!

I would like to clarify a few things from my previous posts as I am new to forums as I don't claim to be a professional baccarat player in any way period at all. Basically all I
do is bet BANKER every hand I do bet. I use a low session bankroll (8 units) because if I lose I can only lose an amount that can easily be recovered on any given day should I place bets in any PLAYER dominant situations. Years ago I used to take 100 units a day to the casino and changed that when I figured out that taking more units than I can win in a session was only good for the casino.

If I have turned a net profit I take it home every time I play. I see people who are ahead every day at some point but they don't have the stones to walk away with the profit and get greedy and leave the casino down 2k plus the 1K they were up for 3K swing daily when I play. Today was a shocker as I watched a woman who was up 5k get greedy and lose it plus another 3k for an 8K swing and leave in tears. So if i am up some banker bets I plan for the exit as quickly as possible and get the hell out of the casino cause the one thing I have 100% control over is when I exit the game.

[Drewm]

Hey donkey great points u made... Need to know when to quit when u r up!!! Very true!!

[jsintl]

Hi everyone!

I would like to clarify a few things from my previous posts as I am new to forums as I don't claim to be a professional baccarat player in any way period at all. Basically all I
do is bet BANKER every hand I do bet. I use a low session bankroll (8 units) because if I lose I can only lose an amount that can easily be recovered on any given day should I place bets in any PLAYER dominant situations. Years ago I used to take 100 units a day to the casino and changed that when I figured out that taking more units than I can win in a session was only good for the casino.

If I have turned a net profit I take it home every time I play. I see people who are ahead every day at some point but they don't have the stones to walk away with the profit and get greedy and leave the casino down 2k plus the 1K they were up for 3K swing daily when I play. Today was a shocker as I watched a woman who was up 5k get greedy and lose it plus another 3k for an 8K swing and leave in tears. So if i am up some banker bets I plan for the exit as quickly as possible and get the hell out of the casino cause the one thing I have 100% control over is when I exit the game.

Very good post.  It takes a lot of practice to be disciplined at the table.  Do you have your trigger before betting banker?  Thanks