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Offline WorldBaccaratKing

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Ride the Waves
« on: October 24, 2014, 06:05:38 pm »
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  • Found this on another site, looks quite good.

    This is a bet selection method that is just a tad bit difficult to explain but is worth the effort.

    We are going to keep track by giving a numeric value to an even chance repeating and another numeric value to an even chance alternating.

    Streak is what I will call repeating.
    The numeric value for a streak is +1.
    RR is a streak and is a +1 numeric value.

    Chop is what I will call alternating.
    The numeric value for a chop is -1.
    RB is a chop and is a -1 numeric value.

    We will track by keeping a running total of our +1' and our -1's.

    RRB = the numeric value for these 3 results is +1 for the RR and -1 for the RB.
    Our numeric line would look like this: +1,0.  In other words we keep a running total for a line.

    RRBRBBRB Numeric values are: +1-1-1-1+1-1-1
    Running total for RRBRBBRB is +1,0,-1,-2,-1,-2,-3

    We keep our chart vertically, like this:


    R
    R   +1
    B     0
    R   -1
    B   -2
    B   -1
    R   -2
    B   -3

    We don't bet every spin like with most of my systems.  Although, as you will see, there are going to be plenty of betting opportunities.

    Our betting opportunities come after there is a change in direction.  If we have the following line

    +1
    0
    -1
    -2
    -1
    -2
    -3
    -2   Right here is a change in direction and is a trigger for a bet.
    -1   Right here is a bet that won because we always bet that the change in direction continues.
    0
    +1
    +2
    +1   Right here is another change in direction and a trigger for a bet
    +2   This bet lost because there was another change in direction

    With our 1st trigger above, we were in a streaking stage.  We know that because our line was moving in a positive direction.  That means  that whatever color brought us to -2 is the color we bet on to take us to -1

    Our line looks like this:

    R
    R  +1
    B   0
    R  -1
    B  -2
    B  -1
    R  -2  Right here we are climbing a wave
    B  -3  Right here is the top of the wave
    B  -2  Right here is the trigger that we have started down the wave
    B  -1  Right here is our bet that we will continue down the wave
    B  0
    B  +1
    B  +2  Right here is the bottom of the wave
    R  +1  Right here is the trigger that we have started up the wave
    R  +2  Right here is where we lost our bet because we always bet that the change in direction will continue and in this case it didn't.  Can't win them all.

    There is 1 rule I haven't mentioned yet.  We must have a least 2 steps either up or down the wave before we can bet after it turns.

    The following has an example of where we can't bet.

     
    R  +1
    R  +2  This is the 1st movement in a direction
    R  +3  This is a 2nd movement in the same direction
    B  +2  This is a trigger for a change in direction and a bet
    R  +1  This bet wins because the change in direction continues
    R  +2
    B  +1  This indicates a change in directions but no bet because only 1 step in the direction
    R   0

    This bet selection method is based on the idea that the spins of the roulette wheel move up and down creating the outline of a mountain range.  We know that eventually a movement in one direction has to come to an end and very often it goes in the other direction for a while.  Then, it changes again and goes back in the previous direction for a while.

    We're just trying to catch the change in direction.  We're betting that the change in direction will last at least 2 spins.

    The 2 step requirement before we can bet if there is a change in direction is fairly aggressive and can be extended to 3 spins or even 4 spins in a direction before we can bet on a turn around.  This will give us fewer bets, but is a little safer.

    Once you get familiar with tracking this method on 1 even chance, you can add a second even chance to track also and this will give you twice the betting opportunities.  Then, add the 3rd even chance and you will have 3 times the number of betting opportunities.  This will keep you hopping, but is doable and is recommended so as to maximize your time at the wheel.

    My limited testing of this method indicates that a flat bet has a good chance of winning.

    I can also recommend my "Ratio Betting" method listed under "Money Management" as another bet method.

    Test it with a flat bet first before going to a progression.  You may decide that the risks associated with a progression are not necessary to stay ahead of the game with this method.

    Tell me what you think,


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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2014, 06:45:38 pm »
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  •  This is a very good topic.
     One good option to avoid progressions.

     Cheers

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2014, 07:10:44 pm »
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  • This is interesting but what about an extremely choppy shoe? Or a shoe that only has a streak of 3? Or even the terrible twos?  With the terrible twos you would never be able to place a bet because it would keep on switching on you due to this rule:


    We must have a least 2 steps either up or down the wave before we can bet after it turns.


     would be good during streaks, sure...but if you're aiming for a streak what would be the point in even tracking anything? Just wait until a streak comes up and pray to get lucky

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 08:24:33 pm »
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  • This is interesting but what about an extremely choppy shoe? Or a shoe that only has a streak of 3? Or even the terrible twos?  With the terrible twos you would never be able to place a bet because it would keep on switching on you due to this rule:

     would be good during streaks, sure...but if you're aiming for a streak what would be the point in even tracking anything? Just wait until a streak comes up and pray to get lucky
    There is always going to be a nemesis. Have to decide what your is and go from there...This isn't my system, looked interesting and wanted to share it and see if it could be tweaked and made better...

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #4 on: October 25, 2014, 10:40:29 am »
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  •  If you are going to talk like that then the random flow always find is way around any existing bet selection, we all know that.
    The point is that you can do well flat betting and avoid progressions.

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #5 on: October 25, 2014, 08:51:44 pm »
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  • Ok.

    So if we assign a +1 value to streaks (chance repeat) and -1 to chops (chance shift) at roulette we'll surely have a long term zero total sum.

    As roulette is a perfectly 50/50 game, my opinion suggests we'll never have a detectable profitable stepping toward one side or another, because any bet will be balanced by a counter event.

    At baccarat things are slightly different.
    For example, why betting toward the 4+ streak sequence at player side knowing that longer streaks are less likely than streaks of lower category?

    Anyway, what's interesting in this post is the idea that we could get some kind of hint after having studied certain paces of the game.

    The only thing, imho, which might lead to a flat betting winning method.

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #6 on: October 26, 2014, 02:31:30 am »
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  • Betting every hand will never win. You need to have some sort of a trigger, whatever that may be. Waiting 1-5 things to happen, whatever, you just need to ask yourself what your looking for and implement it.

    Terrible 2's always did me in. Once I lost 2 in a row, I should have sat out and waited for 1-2 virtual wins instead of chasing and losing 10-12 in a row when it came in PP_BB_PP_BB_PP, absolutely killeeeddddddddd meeeee.....

    This method of play is different. I think it will be hard to win a lot but hard to lose a lot also. Bigger unit size would be needed.......


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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #7 on: October 26, 2014, 07:47:32 pm »
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  • 2's and the second line wager is gold!  Chop is gold if you follow it of course and it is a true chop.  When the streak comes and you are on it, it is the same as a climax with a beautiful woman.  Sorry, but absolutely 100% true.  I am talking Midi or Big Table with large wagers. 
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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 09:07:00 pm »
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  • Score this on your own.

    P B P B PPP B P B PP B P B PPP B P B

    Tell me if you can make a profit using flat bets and this scoring method

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #9 on: October 26, 2014, 09:26:20 pm »
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  • Score this on your own.

    P B P B PPP B P B PP B P B PPP B P B

    Tell me if you can make a profit using flat bets and this scoring method

    Simple.  +7 units flat betting.

    What was the question?

    Oh yeah, it was for this multi-paragraph example of how to wager.

    Gentlemen, it is a simple game.  Do not over complicate it.

    AD

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #10 on: October 26, 2014, 10:09:34 pm »
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  • Gentlemen, it is a simple game.  Do not over complicate it.

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #11 on: October 26, 2014, 10:10:57 pm »
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  • Simple.  +7 units flat betting.

    What was the question?

    Oh yeah, it was for this multi-paragraph example of how to wager.

    Gentlemen, it is a simple game.  Do not over complicate it.

    AD

    +7 using the above example I posted? You sure about that?...................

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #12 on: October 26, 2014, 10:39:04 pm »
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  • Score this on your own.

    P B P B PPP B P B PP B P B PPP B P B


    I'm just asking what should be in your opinion the perfect counter sequence of the one shown above.

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 11:30:42 pm »
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  • P
    B (-1)
    P (-2)
    B (-3)
    P (-4)
    P (-3) CHANGE DIRECTION, TRIGGER
    P (-2) 1st BETTING OPPORTUNITY (W) +1 unit
    B (-3) CHANGE DIRECTION, TRIGGER
    P (-4) 2nd betting opportunity, (W), +2 units
    B (-5)
    P (-6)
    P (-5) CHANGE DIRECTION, TRIGGER
    B (-6) 3rd betting opportunity, (L) +1 units (overall)
    P (-7)
    B (-8)
    P (-9)
    P (-8) CHANGE DIRECTION, TRIGGER
    P (-7) 4th betting opportunity, (W), +2 units
    B (-8) CHANGE DIRECTION, TRIGGER
    P (-9) 5th betting opportunity, (W), +3 units
    B (-10)

    I get +3 units. The running count means nothing as far as I can tell. Also, the "We must have a least 2 steps either up or down the wave before we can bet after it turns.", I didn't follow.

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    Re: Ride the Waves
    « Reply #14 on: October 26, 2014, 11:31:56 pm »
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  • I'm just asking what should be in your opinion the perfect counter sequence of the one shown above.

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    See my above post and you can figure out the nemesis quite easily.....You won't win every shoe, anyone who tells you that is moronic.....