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[Tomla]

and what is TBA?

[super6]

Hi Natural 9. Can I have your email address. Like to consult you on some matters. Thanks

[WorldBaccaratKing]

and what is TBA?

TBA is "time before aliens". The alien race came after TBA was released to the general public. You didn't know this? You must be new to baccarat. Natural9 has had the grail since birth and has more gold bars that fort knox.

Him and his buddy sell this holy pail of dogcrap for a mere 500 dollars. What a BARGAIN!!!!!

With this system, they have single handedly taken down atlantic city. Have you not noticed the 4-5 casinos closing? Its because of them!

The press will say its hard time but the truth is THEY did it and are staying under the radar!

Careful what you say, the "aliens" and "illuminati" are continuously monitoring this board waiting for them to disclose one piece of information, if they do, they will POUNCE and the party is over!

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Since you asked I looked at the posts and one shoe.  Not exactly sure but the TBA must be referring to bet size or bet spread - Total Bet Amount or Total Bet Average.   He using Alvin.  Alvin comes from the ECD "school" of no deep progressions.  If you notice from his scorecards he has not bet more than 2 units.  So I think what Natural 9 is referring to is keep your bets low.  Good advice, IMO.

Train posts 3 of his 7 shoes.  Two losing cards and one winning card (-9. -6, +12).  LOL - Train is being a little cute The "/" is for a win and the "X" is for a loss.  He never bets more than 2 units.  That's all I know.  I don't have Alvin method but I'll pretty much guarantee that Train screwed up .001 which is the only one I examined.  I'm sure Alvin and the Ellis school doesn't sit and lose 6 IAR without a stop or a switch of some kind. 
Well make up your mind.  You either want people to ask questions or not! Really?  If it smells like a DUCK . . . . .Guarantee Train and Natural 9 know each other, play the same method and are shilling for Alvin trying to get more converts back door like.

LMAO - otherwise the motivation can only be a sophomoric "haha - I got a winning method and I'm not telling."

So that's my question for Train.  Did you screw up .001 shoe or not?  :-)

J

You don't say!!!!!!!!!!??

[WorldBaccaratKing]

All these scammers keep doing is promoting some mythical system that an alias of alvin tuarez or something like that made up.......It doesn't win, it never will. they make more and more screen names, talk in tongues and other magical languages (like the TBA one---watch out aliens are listening). what it comes down to is this: CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPOLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The next time you take a dump, stand up, turn around and admire what you left behind, it's actually BETTER than what these jokers are promoting......

[WorldBaccaratKing]

You win so what's your problem with someone else who says they win with a particular strategy?

Unless im blind, what IS THEIR STRATEGY?

[WorldBaccaratKing]

What difference does it make they not going to tell.  I guess for $500 you can find out.  Personally I don't have a problem with people selling strategies.  Some people like them.  I am concerned with claims people make.  I haven't heard any real claims just some people say they like and win with it.  Some say they don't like it (AD) or they changed it (Andre).

I don't have a problem with system sellers either! But, I think we all know, a mechanical system cannot beat this game. Every shoe is different. We can agree to that fact. Also, what gets me is they pump and pump and pump this stuff for 500 bucks and a new person who happens to find this thread will be naive enough to go blow 500 and pays alvins rent for the month...

If andrea or natural9 or whomever tried it, they would share something.....instead, all we see is the same ole pump and dump scheme.

Like Ellis, god bless him. But do you really think NOR or MDB or S40 or whatever is really a winner? Why would he be having seminars and selling the latest greatest fad! Come on...And yes AD, I do have NOR in PDF form and some older systems so I have tried them and with real money.....they are CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

just wanted to beat you to the punch...

[WorldBaccaratKing]

What difference does it make they not going to tell.  I guess for $500 you can find out.  Personally I don't have a problem with people selling strategies.  Some people like them.  I am concerned with claims people make.  I haven't heard any real claims just some people say they like and win with it.  Some say they don't like it (AD) or they changed it (Andre).

One last thing,

We met at Foxwoods. Obviously, we both know Tom. I went that time because Tom had something that he thought was great and wanted to share it with me. Did it work? That night it did. But long term, i don't think it has because I haven't heard much. But, do you see how fast I went when he said he had something? I drove nearly 4 hours one way because I trusted him, I really though he had something because we spoke numerous times before so I had no reason to doubt him.

Obviously, he has very deep pockets, much deeper than mine, so maybe it works for him or maybe he gave up on it. Anyhow, I have issued 10x the 500 (5K) to prove to me that Alvins system works. I have yet to have anyone take me up on it because we know it don't work. PERIOD.

Ad said before in a thread, why would you pay 5000 when you could pay 500? its simple, it doesn't work, if it did, 5k is a drop in the bucket compared to what you could win. Im not that idiotic to pay alvins rent on a whim or the word of some fly by nights  that I have little to no correspondence with...

Tom was different, we emailed each other, spoke on the phone, Tom was and is more gracious that 99.99999% of the people you will meet on ANY forum.

I have nothing against you, so if something I said irked you, my apologies.....I met you, you seem like an OK guy, I don't know you like I know Tom, but that's ok....

[ADulay]

...And yes AD, I do have NOR in PDF form and some older systems so I have tried them and with real money.....they are CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

just wanted to beat you to the punch...

I thought you wanted me to stay out of these discussions but you continue to toss my name into the ring?  Make up your mind!

Once again, you presume that I care what you have tested or played which is probably why you've included me in your most recent outburst..

It would appear that you have tested many, many sytems and your report back to us on all of them is that they are worthless.

Congratulations, you have discovered THE OBVIOUS.

At least you do tell us about it over and over and over every few weeks or so.

Please let us know when you come up with something new.

AD (headed back to the game now)

[WorldBaccaratKing]

I thought you wanted me to stay out of these discussions but you continue to toss my name into the ring?  Make up your mind!

Once again, you presume that I care what you have tested or played which is probably why you've included me in your most recent outburst..

It would appear that you have tested many, many sytems and your report back to us on all of them is that they are worthless.

Congratulations, you have discovered THE OBVIOUS.

At least you do tell us about it over and over and over every few weeks or so.

Please let us know when you come up with something new.

AD (headed back to the game now)

HEY AD, what's going on!!!

I was kidding with you! I like you  ! Hey, im looking out for the guy who googles stuff and sees some new system that claims they will break the casinos. Call me the baccarat crusader..........Should of made that my name............

I have a serious question for you:

When you are using NOR.....................never mind, not gonna open that can of worms......gl ad......

[Natural 9]

and what is TBA?

Hi Tom.

TBA means THE BOX APPROACH. 

It's an approach where we try to capture (box-up) the different shifting of events happening as the shoe unfolds. 

I was trained to capture at least 15 different events every baccarat game I play. 

TBA helps me hit my profit goals in less time. 



Natural 9   

[vo rogue]

my mentor told(trained me) that, TBA means total nonsense anecdoets, and for $499 trained me that there are about 80 different shifting events in a bac shoe.

"don't believe anything you read,and only half of what you see"  lou reed.

[Tomla]

ok I gather it is just a moment when you think your bet is more powerful or something to that effect......I have heard some people say that they like Alvins approach--do you have losing shoes?  any percentages on win rate etc
might as well find out what the hype s about!

[NathanDetroit]

ok I gather it is just a moment when you think your bet is more powerful or something to that effect......I have heard some people say that they like Alvins approach--do you have losing shoes?  any percentages on win rate etc
might as well find out what the hype s about!

Mr. Tomla,


Very well stated question. Should not  be too difficult to reply to.


ND

[WorldBaccaratKing]

You guys are funny! He hasnt answered one DIRECT question about the system and you think he is now going to tell you!!! LOL