If you have a betting method or a betting system that can beat the game of Baccarat in the long run then please post it.
I do have a betting system that can beat the game!
However, I will post mine only after four other people have posted theirs. So my post will be #5
Serious posts only please as I will be the judge, the jury and the Pit Boss.
Remember the TV show hosted by Chuck Barris called The Gong Show? Don't make me Gong You! LOL
Here's my progression.
When I'm winning: 1,2,1,3
When I'm on the verge of a streak: 1,1,5,1,1,8,1,1,13
When I'm losing: 1,2,1,1,2,3,4
- >:D
Quote from: DevilsAdvocate on April 27, 2017, 09:00:52 PM
Here's my progression.
When I'm winning: 1,2,1,3
When I'm on the verge of a streak: 1,1,5,1,1,8,1,1,13
When I'm losing: 1,2,1,1,2,3,4
- >:D
Very Interesting... Thanks for sharing.
I occasionally use the mongoose progression :
http://diceinstitute.mxf.yuku.com/topic/15211654#.WQKKusa1vIV
it's a little complicated but you can get used to it.
It stays at 1 unit to start off with if you get those ugly 7 or 8 losses in row when the shoe from hell appears.
Hello Patience777,
This is a good positive wagering method for even chance play.
Go up 30% on a win, and stay on a loss.
Play for 1 unit. Then restart or go home.
2 losses in a row-- stop until you have 2 of 4 virtual wins, then begin on the scale where you stopped.
5-7-9-12-16-21-27-35-46-60-78-101-131-170
I may have to divulge my famous "Lawn Mower" Hit & Run System.
We are talking about proprietary stuff all invented by me. :)
Talking about lawn mowers, there's a new lawn mower out called the Victor Schappelle. It's guaranteed to hold 3kg of grass. Only Australians will likely get that joke though.
Are you sure your lawn mower isn't the standard baccarat model Victor Stall and Restart?
IMO, progressions (positive and negative) do not and cannot beat the game or allow you any insight to winning (as in beating the game) bet-selection whatsoever.
Don't get me wrong, I do well when I win with my 1-3-2-6 and my 1-3-2-4 positive progressions and my 1/3rd money management system, I never lose---if I won and stick by it. But, the progressions offer me no insight or help to win, UNLESS and only unless I won, then it enables me to realize more win $, but nothing at all with bet/wagering decisions.
Quote from: Mars Rocks on May 02, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Talking about lawn mowers, there's a new lawn mower out called the Victor Schappelle. It's guaranteed to hold 3kg of grass. Only Australians will likely get that joke though.
Are you sure your lawn mower isn't the standard baccarat model Victor Stall and Restart?
When I use my Betting System against the casino on choppy shoes....
The casino's A$$ is Grass and I'm the lawn mower!
Hence the name lawn mower betting system. :)
I have already told you guys how to beat the game of Baccarat....
Some of us have forgotten so I will tell you guys again.....
You go into the casino with a $2,000 bankroll.
As soon as I get $10 ahead I quit and go home for the day. (So I was in the casino for about 5 minutes)
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner... I have beaten the casino!
Now obviously nobody is going to drive 30 minutes to go to the casino just to win $10.
But do you see the point I'm trying to make?
With 10K in chips I would be able to beat the casino out of $90 bucks everytime I go there.
Because I know what I'm doing!
Does the logic make sense here?
Yea
Take your one win and leave
But. How are you betting
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 03, 2017, 01:01:58 AM
Yea
Take your one win and leave
But. How are you betting
I use negative progressions in order to beat the game.
Flat betting does not work.
And anybody who uses positive progressions on a choppy table will end up in the homeless encampment soup line in no time!
I use two different Betting Systems...
So I go into the casino with two different Bankrolls.
One Betting System is used on choppy tables and the other Betting System is used on streaky tables.
My definition of a choppy table is where Banker is not going past three repeats.
So on a choppy table I wait for two Bankers to appear then I run a 6X Martingale on Player.
There is no need to bet Banker on a choppy table and pay 5% vig. because Player is holding its own.
My favorite choppy tables is where Player is slightly ahead of Banker and there is slight domination by Player.
On these types of choppy tables sometimes I will wait for Banker to appear only once and then place a 6X marti on Player.
My favorite 6X Marti is $15 - $30 - $60 - $125 - $250 - $500
My favorite 5X Marti is $25 - $50 - $125 - $250 - $500
156 times in a row is the most my marti's have went without busting out. (because the choppy trend was in my favor)
I know of a couple of professional gambler's that recommend this type of pick your spot mechanical betting...
Because there is no guessing involved, and the odds are in your favor!
(Buyer beware...) Choppy Tables can sometimes become streaky near the end.
Then of course once I get ahead about 90 bucks... I hit and run their A$$'es. :)
Cheers!
Quote from: Patience777 on May 02, 2017, 11:31:31 PM
I have already told you guys how to beat the game of Baccarat....
Some of us have forgotten so I will tell you guys again.....
You go into the casino with a $2,000 bankroll.
As soon as I get $10 ahead I quit and go home for the day. (So I was in the casino for about 5 minutes)
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner... I have beaten the casino!
Now obviously nobody is going to drive 30 minutes to go to the casino just to win $10.
But do you see the point I'm trying to make?
With 10K in chips I would be able to beat the casino out of $90 bucks everytime I go there.
Because I know what I'm doing!
Does the logic make sense here?
No.
Assuming no house edge...
If you take $10 to the casino and want to win $10 you have a 50% of winning. You would just bet $10 once. There are other ways of winning $10, such as continually betting $5 until either you end up $10 up or lose your $10, but if you analyse this you will find the probability of winning $10 is still 50% every time no matter what the strategy.
If you take $30 to the casino and want to win $10, you have a 75% chance of winning. You would bet $10 and if it lost you would bet $20. Probability of losing is the probability of losing both bets, which is ½ * ½ = ¼.
If you take $70 and want to win $10, you have a 7/8 chance of winning.
The formula for chance of winning is...BR/BR + $10.
If you take $2000 to the casino you have a probability of200/201 of winning $10 (assuming you leave when you get your $10 up of course). However, you have a probability of 1/201 of losing your $2000. So do this around 201 times and you will lose your $2000 one day.
You should win $10 often enough though to get your $2000 back in the long run. Note though that you will not actually make money in the long term, because the day will come when you lose your $2000.
ALSO HOWEVER, in reality there is a house edge. But with your betting strategy of only making the minimum number of bets, then this house edge is small. But come out with a strategy that keeps you there all afternoon every visit betting and you will be donating your money to the casino staff, who need their wages to pay their bills.
Mars, you must be the type of guy who can go into the casino with $5 bucks and turn it into $1,000 bucks every time.
First thing to do... Go put your $5 Bucks on Black instead of Red.
Are you from Planet Mars? LOL
BYE
You can win but you need the gods to help you. And I do have them to help me haha. Mars is the god of war BTW and I'm at war with the casino.
I haven't studied baccarat enough
However years ago I did play Marty on baccarat
I'd wait for 4 in a row of P or B then bet against it with Marty
I won for a month until I busted
The idea of only playing Marty when the results are choppy pbbpbpbbppb might make a difference I guess
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 03, 2017, 11:47:40 AM
I haven't studied baccarat enough
However years ago I did play Marty on baccarat
I'd wait for 4 in a row of P or B then bet against it with Marty
I won for a month until I busted
The idea of only playing Marty when the results are choppy pbbpbpbbppb might make a difference I guess
You obviously didn]t have the sufficient bankroll to see it through, hey hey.
The electronic machines by me have had 14 B or P in a row. Gotta go deep with that Marty
Scarey and not smart
Need better trigger
Here is my full Repertoire of Martingales if anyone is interested....
The number in ( ) is the total cost of the Marti and the smaller numbers on the right is how much you will
win at each betting point.
These I use to Marti on Player only!
I take a copy of these Marti's to the casino with me every time I go.
So as you guys can see I am armed to the gills and ready to go to War at all times!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
5X
15 - 50 - 100 - 200 - 400 (765) 15 - 35 - 35 - 35 - 35
15 - 50 - 125 - 250 - 500 (940) 15 - 35 - 60 - 60 - 60
15 - 30 - 75 - 150 - 300 (570) 15 - 15 - 30 - 30 - 30
25 - 50 - 125 - 250 - 500 (950) 25 - 25 - 50 - 50 - 50
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6X
15 - 30 - 60 - 125 - 250 - 500 (980) 15 - 15 - 15 - 20 - 20 - 20
10 - 25 - 50 - 125 - 250 - 500 (960) 10 - 15 - 15 - 40 - 40 - 40
10 - 25 - 50 - 100 - 200 - 400 (785) 10 - 15 - 15 - 15 - 15 - 15
10 - 20 - 40 - 125 - 250 - 500 (945) 10 - 10 - 10 - 55 - 55 - 55
10 - 20 - 40 - 100 - 200 - 400 (770) 10 - 10 - 10 - 30 - 30 - 30
10 - 20 - 40 - 80 - 175 - 350 (675) 10 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 25 - 25
------------------------------------------------------------------------
4X
25 - 50 - 150 - 300 (525) 25 - 25 - 75 - 75
25 - 75 - 150 - 300 (550) 25 - 50 - 50 - 50
50 - 100 - 200 - 400 (750) 50 - 50 - 50 - 50
75 - 100 - 250 - 500 (925) 75 - 25 - 75 - 75
50 - 75 - 150 - 300 (575) 50 - 25 - 25 - 25
Cheers!
On average, yer only gonna buck up against a coupla 5+ streaks in a baccarats shoe, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on May 04, 2017, 12:36:10 AM
On average, yer only gonna buck up against a coupla 5+ streaks in a baccarats shoe, hey hey.
Yes choppy shoes are more common than streaky shoes. (Thank You)
When I retire in about 10 years...
I am going to milk these casinos and their choppy tables for every quarter in their tray!
These casinos are some day going to supplement my retirement fund.! :)
My local casino is the electronic machines with the real cards
Beneficial cause I don't have to bet I can sit and wait
What are the ideal conditions in which you bet?
I can sit for hours and not places bet lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 04, 2017, 01:10:21 AM
My local casino is the electronic machines with the real cards
Beneficial cause I don't have to bet I can sit and wait
What are the ideal conditions in which you bet?
I can sit for hours and not places bet lol
I already explained the ideal conditions in which I bet.
Have Patience and you should win about $100 an hour with my system.
Does your job pay $100 an hour?
Mine sure doesn't!
And stay off those Roulette Wheels Son.
Those Croupiers are always aiming for the zero's and they will cut you up into cord wood. LOL
Wait for chips bet till win
Repeat
Quote from: soxfan on May 04, 2017, 12:36:10 AM
On average, yer only gonna buck up against a coupla 5+ streaks in a baccarats shoe, hey hey.
Here you go....
These are the same 100 shoes and show the 5 streaks of both Banker and Player.
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cheers
Here is the 4 streaks from the same 100 shoes!
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Looking at that, I wonder how it would go if you played a step of STAR after every streak of 4. So after the first streak of 4, you bet the first step, then sit tight for the next streak of 4 and play the second step. It would be a long grind....but looking at the shoes, it could work.
cheers
Same 100 shoes and this time I have overlayed the Banker with Player. (streaks of 4's and streaks of 5's)
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Quote from: Bally6354 on May 04, 2017, 08:02:29 AM
Here is the 4 streaks from the same 100 shoes!
Looking at that, I wonder how it would go if you played a step of STAR after every streak of 4. So after the first streak of 4, you bet the first step, then sit tight for the next streak of 4 and play the second step. It would be a long grind....but looking at the shoes, it could work.
cheers
Bally,
Wagering against any 'less frequent event' could (COULD) be a great wager. Why not say 6's. Last couple weeks at my local casino there was a good amount of 5's to 7's in virtually every shoe. Did they cut more rather than stick? Sure, out of the 9 shoes (avg 3 per trip) for the last 3 visits, I would say there was one 10-14 repeating streak in 3, maybe 4 of those 9 shoes. And one shoe had a 14 run Player and a 11/12 run Banker. However, there is usually 1 or 2 at most on the average (the important word and consideration is 'AVERAGE').
I see what you describe all the time and YES, at times I might do something similar of course. But, sticking to your guns in those 'pre-conceived' and determined bet-placement methods will usually take a player under--if it goes wrong. I said, 'IF'. Because of the psych for most player, they get ultra determined and will not back off and when that
'4 and cut' or '5 and cut'--'ideal statistic' moment comes, and then it turns to a 10 or 14 or 16 streak, the player is fuming, tee'd-off and so determined to get his Marty in and recoup--it turns bad.
But once again, and sorry for the repetitive stuff, if it works--all fine. If it does not, in my experience and book--it is usually worse than other bets because of the player's mind frame. Easy to say here and figure it all out, but at the table it is very different for the player's mind frame.
On average a shoe has 5 streaks?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 04, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
On average a shoe has 5 streaks?
You cannot say that. An average shoe cannot be classified as less or more than 5 streaks of so many in a row/repeating, etc.
You can run statistics and those do not match up at a casino. Not at all.
Sure, maybe you go to a casino 10 times and those 30 shoes or so have only 3's and 4's and then cut, every one of them. Then the next 30 shoes you play, have greater than 5's.
You are playing the smallest and most trivial amount of shoes in comparison to where those statistics came from.
I see shoes with not greater than 3 all the time. Then on the other hand, lots of shoes have greater than 3. If you are trying to say, wager on the cut because repeats don't continue, bring lots and lots of cash.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 04, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
On average a shoe has 5 streaks?
Yes, on average a 8 decks baccarats shoe will pony up just over two streak of 5+, hey hey.
Quote from: soxfan on May 04, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
Yes, on average a 8 decks baccarats shoe will pony up just over two streak of 5+, hey hey.
On average? What average? A certain casino? Statistical tests of hundreds of thousands of shoes? What it should produce?
Most would be quoting off the statistical tests. If that is the source of the 5+ per shoe, isn't there sections and numerous shoes within that/those tests where there are a certain amount well under the 5+??
Happy Cinco de Mayo to everyone!
I just got back from the casino...
I used my normal 15-30-60-125-250-500 Martingale. (6X)
The table I played at was choppy and Banker at no time ever went past 3 repeats.
Player was dominating slightly the whole time.
I played till the shoe ended at a mini table.
Action was fast and furious...
Here is my scorecard:
2B +15
2B +15
1B +15
1B +15
2B -15 +30
1B -15 +30
2B +15
$105 total winnings in one hour. (I lost only two bets)
How to read my scorecard...
1B means I waited for one Banker to appear before going into my 6X Player marti.
2B means I waited for two Bankers to appear before going into my 6X Player marti.
When I got there all my Asian friends were pointing at the electronic scoreboards and playing the guessing game. (what's new)
Me..... I just waited and waited till the time was right.
There was a young Asian guy that I was sitting next to.
He won his first six bets or so by guessing and was doing real well for awhile.
Then he lost like 7 bets in a row and got felted and he left the table.
When I first started playing Baccarat I played the same way as him with the same results.
Except I would hit and run most of the time before the tables turned on me.
Now I play a mechanical system that very rarely ever loses.
In reserve I had a "nested" 5X Martingale that I was going to use if I felt like doing any guessing.
I did no quessing today.
My system can be a grind at times... But to me it is worth it since it hardly ever losses on a choppy table.
I will show you guys sometime when I have more time what a "nested" Martingale looks like.
Cheers! :)
I just got an email from The Bellagio Baccarat room in Vegas.
It says...
"We don't want you playing Baccarat on our tables!" hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Just Kidding :)
Quote from: Patience777 on April 27, 2017, 04:08:40 AM
If you have a betting method or a betting system that can beat the game of Baccarat in the long run then please post it.
I do have a betting system that can beat the game!
However, I will post mine only after four other people have posted theirs. So my post will be #5
Serious posts only please as I will be the judge, the jury and the Pit Boss.
Remember the TV show hosted by Chuck Barris called The Gong Show? Don't make me Gong You! LOL
Just out of curiosity, if you already have one, why are you here? Unless one comes here to boast about it, I doubt they will be here. I also doubt anyone with one will share, I certainly won't. At least not until I retire from the game and start to write my book.
I will have some faith in a system if one can prove it can win 6% of bankroll daily for at least 30 days. Until then, everything is just gibberish.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 04, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
On average a shoe has 5 streaks?
Forget about averages when it comes to Baccarat. The number of possible Baccarat shoes is a number that is 911 digits long.
Any average is the average seen over a 911 digit long number of shoes.
If you didn't see a streak of five Banker wins in one-hundred consecutive shoes, that would not be statistically significant compared to the number of possible shoes that exists.
Every shoe is unique. Play them that way, and don't expect the results to conform with the average. Don't expect anything at all.
babu, i don't have a system but a special method of playing. i can probably win 6% of my bankroll in a little over an hour consistently. well, at least since i started this new method back in late february. i hit 2 snags when i deviated from the method with supposed better tweaks, but i learned my lesson not to tweak something that is already working. lost a small fortune with that mistake, but haven't looked back since switching back to the original method. if i have the energy to stay in the casino for 8+ hours, i can usually win 20-30% of my bankroll. the person who taught me this method makes a lot sense % but his bet size is much larger than mine so he only needs a few wins here and there and he can easily make 1k/day, but his bankroll is 25k. im a grinder and i stay at the casino all day to make that money.
Quote from: brokerny on May 21, 2017, 02:41:46 PM
babu, i don't have a system but a special method of playing. i can probably win 6% of my bankroll in a little over an hour consistently. well, at least since i started this new method back in late february. i hit 2 snags when i deviated from the method with supposed better tweaks, but i learned my lesson not to tweak something that is already working. lost a small fortune with that mistake, but haven't looked back since switching back to the original method. if i have the energy to stay in the casino for 8+ hours, i can usually win 20-30% of my bankroll. the person who taught me this method makes a lot sense % but his bet size is much larger than mine so he only needs a few wins here and there and he can easily make 1k/day, but his bankroll is 25k. im a grinder and i stay at the casino all day to make that money.
Yes! "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" The only reason I can see one trying to tweak a working system/approach is to gain more. Like Alrelax say, you have to see if the wins will out benefit what you can earn at your job/business. Many will say the benefits of playing is tax free earning and being ones own boss. What many don't see is the medical benefits, retirement benefits such as 401K and in some cases a pension (may apply to USA members only).
Brokerny, that is a RELATIVELY huge wining expectation especially when you want to win consistently. The fact that you want to do it in such a short time magnifies the level of difficulty(I won't argue that it's impossible to do as there may be ways to do it). Unless you have a huge saving, the goal you set out to do is incredibly stressful. I was force to do this around 2009 and I can tell you that I have left pools of sweat on the casino floor. Surprise I didn't shyt or pee in my pants. I have witness several literally pee in their pants.
The winning formula to me include that following:
1. Large bankroll
2. Playing within the table limit - The table limits defines the type of strategy you can and have to use.
3. Bet selection and a greater degree, money management.
4. 8-10hr - You don't necessarily need that my hour a day. Leave when you reach your goal.
5. Balls half as big as Soxfan's
Quote from: Eight Iron on May 21, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
Forget about averages when it comes to Baccarat. The number of possible Baccarat shoes is a number that is 911 digits long.
Any average is the average seen over a 911 digit long number of shoes.
Every shoe is unique. Play them that way, and don't expect the results to conform with the average. Don't expect anything at all.
I love this post. Most talk about average and apply it to every shoe. Anything can happen in a shoe. I've witness one shoe with a streak of 3 player win, and 3 streaks of 2 wins. The rest was single chops. The longest was 21 chops straight with no ties in between on that shoe. I was shock to see see it on my way out the door after cashing out. I'm not so surprise anymore after understanding the distributions of streaks and can see how this can easily happen.
Quote from: Eight Iron on May 21, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
If you didn't see a streak of five Banker wins in one-hundred consecutive shoes, that would not be statistically significant compared to the number of possible shoes that exists.
Original: I don't know if you need to go as far as 100 CONSECUTIVE shoes but it would still be significant within 8-10 shoes. This is why I play all the shoes for the day and not play each shoe individually.
Correction: I missed read what you wrote. Wow! I can see not seeing it in 100 shoes but not seeing it in 100 consecutive shoe is in my opinion very significant. I play at least 6-10 shoes on most trips and I don't think I've came across a day without seeing at least 1 streaks of 5 wins. Of course I wouldn't say it's impossible that it can't happen.