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[soxfan]

On average a shoe has 5 streaks?

Yes, on average a 8 decks baccarats shoe will pony up just over two streak of 5+, hey hey.

[alrelax]

Yes, on average a 8 decks baccarats shoe will pony up just over two streak of 5+, hey hey.

On average?  What average?  A certain casino?  Statistical tests of hundreds of thousands of shoes?  What it should produce?

Most would be quoting off the statistical tests.  If that is the source of the 5+ per shoe, isn't there sections and numerous shoes within that/those tests where there are a certain amount well under the 5+??

[Patience777]

Happy Cinco de Mayo to everyone!
I just got back from the casino...

I used my normal 15-30-60-125-250-500  Martingale.  (6X)
The table I played at was choppy and Banker at no time ever went past 3 repeats.
Player was dominating slightly the whole time.
I played till the shoe ended at a mini table.
Action was fast and furious...

Here is my scorecard:

2B  +15
2B  +15
1B  +15
1B  +15
2B  -15 +30
1B  -15 +30
2B +15

$105 total winnings in one hour. (I lost only two bets)
How to read my scorecard...
1B means I waited for one Banker to appear before going into my 6X Player marti.
2B means I waited for two Bankers to appear before going into my 6X Player marti.

When I got there all my Asian friends were pointing at the electronic scoreboards and playing the guessing game. (what's new)
Me..... I just waited and waited till the time was right.
There was a young Asian guy that I was sitting next to.
He won his first six bets or so by guessing and was doing real well for awhile.
Then he lost like 7 bets in a row and got felted and he left the table.
When I first started playing Baccarat I played the same way as him with the same results.
Except I would hit and run most of the time before the tables turned on me.
Now I play a mechanical system that very rarely ever loses.

In reserve I had a "nested" 5X Martingale that I was going to use if I felt like doing any guessing.
I did no quessing today.
My system can be a grind at times... But to me it is worth it since it hardly ever losses on a choppy table.
I will show you guys sometime when I have more time what a "nested" Martingale looks like.

Cheers!

[Patience777]

I just got an email from The Bellagio Baccarat room in Vegas.

It says...

"We don't want you playing Baccarat on our tables!"  hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Just Kidding   

[Babu]

If you have a betting method or a betting system that can beat the game of Baccarat in the long run then please post it.

I do have a betting system that can beat the game!

However,  I will post mine only after four other people have posted theirs. So my post will be #5

Serious posts only please as I will be the judge, the jury and the Pit Boss.

Remember the TV show hosted by Chuck Barris called The Gong Show?  Don't make me Gong You! LOL

Just out of curiosity, if you already have one, why are you here?  Unless one comes here to boast about it, I doubt they will be here.  I also doubt anyone with one will share, I certainly won't.  At least not until I retire from the game and start to write my book.

I will have some faith in a system if one can prove it can win 6% of bankroll daily for at least 30 days. Until then, everything is just gibberish. 

[Eight Iron]

On average a shoe has 5 streaks?

Forget about averages when it comes to Baccarat.  The number of possible Baccarat shoes is a number that is 911 digits long.

Any average is the average seen over a 911 digit long number of shoes.

If you didn't see a streak of five Banker wins in one-hundred consecutive shoes, that would not be statistically significant compared to the number of possible shoes that exists.

Every shoe is unique. Play them that way, and don't expect the results to conform with the average.  Don't expect anything at all.

[brokerny]

babu, i don't have a system but a special method of playing. i can probably win 6% of my bankroll in a little over an hour consistently. well, at least since i started this new method back in late february. i hit 2 snags when i deviated from the method with supposed better tweaks, but i learned my lesson not to tweak something that is already working. lost a small fortune with that mistake, but haven't looked back since switching back to the original method. if i have the energy to stay in the casino for 8+ hours, i can usually win 20-30% of my bankroll. the person who taught me this method makes a lot sense % but his bet size is much larger than mine so he only needs a few wins here and there and he can easily make 1k/day, but his bankroll is 25k. im a grinder and i stay at the casino all day to make that money.

[Babu]

babu, i don't have a system but a special method of playing. i can probably win 6% of my bankroll in a little over an hour consistently. well, at least since i started this new method back in late february. i hit 2 snags when i deviated from the method with supposed better tweaks, but i learned my lesson not to tweak something that is already working. lost a small fortune with that mistake, but haven't looked back since switching back to the original method. if i have the energy to stay in the casino for 8+ hours, i can usually win 20-30% of my bankroll. the person who taught me this method makes a lot sense % but his bet size is much larger than mine so he only needs a few wins here and there and he can easily make 1k/day, but his bankroll is 25k. im a grinder and i stay at the casino all day to make that money.

Yes! "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"  The only reason I can see one trying to tweak a working system/approach is to gain more.  Like Alrelax say, you have to see if the wins will out benefit what you can earn at your job/business.  Many will say the benefits of playing is tax free earning and being ones own boss.  What many don't see is the medical benefits, retirement benefits such as 401K and in some cases a pension (may apply to USA members only).

Brokerny, that is a RELATIVELY huge wining expectation especially when you want to win consistently.  The fact that you want to do it in such a short time magnifies the level of difficulty(I won't argue that it's impossible to do as there may be ways to do it).  Unless you have a huge saving, the goal you set out to do is incredibly stressful.  I was force to do this around 2009 and I can tell you that I have left pools of sweat on the casino floor.  Surprise I didn't shyt or pee in my pants.  I have witness several literally pee in their pants. 

The winning formula to me include that following:
1. Large bankroll
2. Playing within the table limit -  The table limits defines the type of strategy you can and have to use.
3. Bet selection and a greater degree, money management.
4. 8-10hr - You don't necessarily need that my hour a day. Leave when you reach your goal.
5. Balls half as big as Soxfan's

[Babu]

Forget about averages when it comes to Baccarat.  The number of possible Baccarat shoes is a number that is 911 digits long.

Any average is the average seen over a 911 digit long number of shoes.

Every shoe is unique. Play them that way, and don't expect the results to conform with the average.  Don't expect anything at all.

I love this post.  Most talk about average and apply it to every shoe.  Anything can happen in a shoe.  I've witness one shoe with a streak of 3 player win, and 3 streaks of 2 wins.  The rest was single chops.  The longest was 21 chops straight with no ties in between on that shoe.  I was shock to see see it on my way out the door after cashing out.  I'm not so surprise anymore after understanding the distributions of streaks and can see how this can easily happen.

If you didn't see a streak of five Banker wins in one-hundred consecutive shoes, that would not be statistically significant compared to the number of possible shoes that exists.

Original: I don't know if you need to go as far as 100 CONSECUTIVE shoes but it would still be significant within 8-10 shoes.  This is why I play all the shoes for the day and not play each shoe individually.

Correction:  I missed read what you wrote.  Wow!  I can see not seeing it in 100 shoes but not seeing it in 100 consecutive shoe is in my opinion very significant.  I play at least 6-10 shoes on most trips and I don't think I've came across a day without seeing at least 1 streaks of 5 wins.  Of course I wouldn't say it's impossible that it can't happen.