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[Natural 9]

Here's a short starter.   This is a recent shoe (transcribed) that I had this month.  Play it and see how you do.

If there's enough interest, we'll start a separate thread just for "working shoes".

Don't cheat yourself and fudge it.  Play it "for real" and see how you do.  Cover up the lines if that helps.

AD

Hi AD.

I'll take the challenge. 

For a start, I will not mention what system I am using and who taught me this system. 

I don't want to pollute this post with out of the topic conversation and I don't want to talk about a person who no longer posts here. 

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If I played this shoe in a real casino environment, I will end up with +74 units using a positive & negative progression. 

I don't flat-bet because I could not maximize my winnings with flat-bet. 

But using flat-bet, this shoe will earn +21 units (27W vs 6L) using my system. A decent profit but not an optimum profit. 

Here's the summary of my bet selections:

Play 6 - Won
Play 8 - Won
Play 14 - Won
Play 15- Won
Play 17 - (Loss)
Play 18 - Won
Play 20 - Won
Play 21 - Won
Play 22 - Won
Play 23 - Won
Play 24 - Won
Play 26- Won
Play 27 - Won
Play 28 - Won*  On this play, I'm ahead by +39 units. My 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +13 wins against 1 loss using flat bet.

My 4-Column Approach is still hitting so I opted to continue play. Why cap my winnings if I'm still on a winning streak? I'll wait until my streak comes to an end.

Play 30 - Won
Play 32 - (Loss)
Play 33 - Won
Play 34 - Won
Play 35 - Won
Play 37 - Won
Play 39 - Won
Play 41 - Won
Play 42 - Won * On this play, I'm ahead by +69 units. My second 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +21 wins against 2 losses using flat bet.

My streak has not ended so why should I quit?


Play 43 - (Loss)
Play 44 - Won
Play 45 - Won
Play 46 - (Loss)
Play 47 - Won
Play 49 - (Loss)
Play 51 - Won
Play 52 - Won
Play 54 - (Loss)
Play 56 - Won

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Do not waste your time thinking how my bet selection works. I was taught not to use trending or past events of Player/Banker. I used a different way of tracking different shoe combinations.   

Based on my system, this shoe shifted to different events 8 times. 



Natural 9 

[John]

For instance, I know that betting the decision before last loses to the "terrible twos" in a row (the second most common event statistically in a random shoe...

SO.... what mechanical bet selection can I use that will only lose to the "least occurring" event (what ever would happen the least statistically) and still make money?

Or perhaps I'm wishful thinking here and it doesn't exist 

Many mechanical options exist, that eat the top three lines and then some.  The bet selection isn't the issue, the main issue is the staking plan and handling variance, followed closely by patience, composure and discipline.     

[Natural 9]

Here's a clue.  Why don't any of the people who are apparently losing, post up any of their scorecards?  Perhaps having a core group of readers (that would be most of the ones here) take a look at a person's play and comment on it, would help a LOT of the readers!!

What a concept.

If a person is consisently losing, their score cards should tell them WHY and if they can't figure it out on their own, then we have plenty of clever people here who WILL point out problems.

I agree. 



Natural 9 

[Lung Yeh]

John,

Impressive. So pray tell, are you up overall in casino play? Do you do it for a living?

I  learning so am asking those questions sincerely.

Regards

[Bayes]

I was taught not to use trending or past events of Player/Banker.

Based on my system, this shoe shifted to different events 8 times. 

These statements appear to be contradictory, because if past events are ignored, then how can the shoe have "shifted to different events 8 times"?  Or rather, maybe it did but if past events are not taken into account in the selection, how could that information have informed it?

Just wondering... 

[alrelax]

The easiest thing to do in al this is ARMCHAIR QUARCTERBACK!  None of us will lose, even me!  LOL to the MAX!  Being in a real casino environment with hands on---you will not follow what you are saying here the majority of the time, period. 

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Hi AD.

I'll take the challenge. 

For a start, I will not mention what system I am using and who taught me this system. 

I don't want to pollute this post with out of the topic conversation and I don't want to talk about a person who no longer posts here. 

----------

If I played this shoe in a real casino environment, I will end up with +74 units using a positive & negative progression. 

I don't flat-bet because I could not maximize my winnings with flat-bet. 

But using flat-bet, this shoe will earn +21 units (27W vs 6L) using my system. A decent profit but not an optimum profit. 

Here's the summary of my bet selections:

Play 6 - Won
Play 8 - Won
Play 14 - Won
Play 15- Won
Play 17 - (Loss)
Play 18 - Won
Play 20 - Won
Play 21 - Won
Play 22 - Won
Play 23 - Won
Play 24 - Won
Play 26- Won
Play 27 - Won
Play 28 - Won*  On this play, I'm ahead by +39 units. My 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +13 wins against 1 loss using flat bet.

My 4-Column Approach is still hitting so I opted to continue play. Why cap my winnings if I'm still on a winning streak? I'll wait until my streak comes to an end.

Play 30 - Won
Play 32 - (Loss)
Play 33 - Won
Play 34 - Won
Play 35 - Won
Play 37 - Won
Play 39 - Won
Play 41 - Won
Play 42 - Won * On this play, I'm ahead by +69 units. My second 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +21 wins against 2 losses using flat bet.

My streak has not ended so why should I quit?


Play 43 - (Loss)
Play 44 - Won
Play 45 - Won
Play 46 - (Loss)
Play 47 - Won
Play 49 - (Loss)
Play 51 - Won
Play 52 - Won
Play 54 - (Loss)
Play 56 - Won

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Do not waste your time thinking how my bet selection works. I was taught not to use trending or past events of Player/Banker. I used a different way of tracking different shoe combinations.   

Based on my system, this shoe shifted to different events 8 times. 



Natural 9 

All you do is talk, talk, and talk some more. You provide this forum with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You are a WANNABEE. I would say you have NEVER played and NEVER won money in your life....

Refute what I said. Its that simple. Put up or shut up........

I could say I won 1 million units on that shoe, SOOOOOOOOO??

Where is the proof? ITS IN THE PUDDING!!!!! SHOW ME HOW YOU MAKE PUDDING OR GO BACK TO WATCHING SOAP OPERAS ON TV!!! Leave this forum to the REAL players looking to make money and find something that may work.

Not the unintelligent you rave about and have dreams about.....You crack me up, you really do...

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Hi AD.

I'll take the challenge. 

For a start, I will not mention what system I am using and who taught me this system. 

I don't want to pollute this post with out of the topic conversation and I don't want to talk about a person who no longer posts here. 

----------

If I played this shoe in a real casino environment, I will end up with +74 units using a positive & negative progression. 

I don't flat-bet because I could not maximize my winnings with flat-bet. 

But using flat-bet, this shoe will earn +21 units (27W vs 6L) using my system. A decent profit but not an optimum profit. 

Here's the summary of my bet selections:

Play 6 - Won
Play 8 - Won
Play 14 - Won
Play 15- Won
Play 17 - (Loss)
Play 18 - Won
Play 20 - Won
Play 21 - Won
Play 22 - Won
Play 23 - Won
Play 24 - Won
Play 26- Won
Play 27 - Won
Play 28 - Won*  On this play, I'm ahead by +39 units. My 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +13 wins against 1 loss using flat bet.

My 4-Column Approach is still hitting so I opted to continue play. Why cap my winnings if I'm still on a winning streak? I'll wait until my streak comes to an end.

Play 30 - Won
Play 32 - (Loss)
Play 33 - Won
Play 34 - Won
Play 35 - Won
Play 37 - Won
Play 39 - Won
Play 41 - Won
Play 42 - Won * On this play, I'm ahead by +69 units. My second 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +21 wins against 2 losses using flat bet.

My streak has not ended so why should I quit?


Play 43 - (Loss)
Play 44 - Won
Play 45 - Won
Play 46 - (Loss)
Play 47 - Won
Play 49 - (Loss)
Play 51 - Won
Play 52 - Won
Play 54 - (Loss)
Play 56 - Won

----------

Do not waste your time thinking how my bet selection works. I was taught not to use trending or past events of Player/Banker. I used a different way of tracking different shoe combinations.   

Based on my system, this shoe shifted to different events 8 times. 



Natural 9 

You pimp a guy selling a 500 dollar system that he has the holy grail!!!! LMAO!!!!

I would pay 5k in a heartbeat if it worked, hell, I would pay 10k in a heartbeat. So, you want to make some money? Come to a casino, I will meet you and we can go from there. Its really that simple.....

[alrelax]

You pimp a guy selling a 500 dollar system that he has the holy grail!!!! LMAO!!!!

Maybe it has to do with the days in the Asian brothel business in Manhattan??  My x wife was a great teacher of the biz, LOL, god bless her, she was sharp.

[ADulay]

Do not waste your time thinking how my bet selection works. I was taught not to use trending or past events of Player/Banker. I used a different way of tracking different shoe combinations.

Natural 9 

No problem here with how you played it.  Not really any of my business!

I showed a profit when I played it so life is good.

AD

[NathanDetroit]

Carnabby,


Miracles DO happen ( on the internet). Next in line  for the Winning Touch  the power of palm reading and interpretation of tea leaves.

[alrelax]

ND armchair QB anything, no problem (didn't you know that?)!  Palm Reading might work cause stats on past events to predict the future events sure isn't working too well.   I was at the take out counter yesterday.  I was wearing a Buffalo Bills T Shirt with OJ Simpson saying, 'Now What' after his acquittal in L.A.  A guy says, "After seeing that Bills guy get tackled when he slowed down a tad bit and put is hand out to celebrate, I guess I would have waited till I got into the end zone and scored'".  So the guy made a mistake, get on with it.  It's no different when there are 12 plus Bankers in a row and the statistical guy is still flat betting quarters while the table is taking down hundreds of thousands. 

[gr8player]

Hi AD.

I'll take the challenge. 

For a start, I will not mention what system I am using and who taught me this system. 

I don't want to pollute this post with out of the topic conversation and I don't want to talk about a person who no longer posts here. 

----------

If I played this shoe in a real casino environment, I will end up with +74 units using a positive & negative progression. 

I don't flat-bet because I could not maximize my winnings with flat-bet. 

But using flat-bet, this shoe will earn +21 units (27W vs 6L) using my system. A decent profit but not an optimum profit. 

Here's the summary of my bet selections:

Play 6 - Won
Play 8 - Won
Play 14 - Won
Play 15- Won
Play 17 - (Loss)
Play 18 - Won
Play 20 - Won
Play 21 - Won
Play 22 - Won
Play 23 - Won
Play 24 - Won
Play 26- Won
Play 27 - Won
Play 28 - Won*  On this play, I'm ahead by +39 units. My 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +13 wins against 1 loss using flat bet.

My 4-Column Approach is still hitting so I opted to continue play. Why cap my winnings if I'm still on a winning streak? I'll wait until my streak comes to an end.

Play 30 - Won
Play 32 - (Loss)
Play 33 - Won
Play 34 - Won
Play 35 - Won
Play 37 - Won
Play 39 - Won
Play 41 - Won
Play 42 - Won * On this play, I'm ahead by +69 units. My second 7-Hit Combo went in and my wins vs. losses were  +21 wins against 2 losses using flat bet.

My streak has not ended so why should I quit?


Play 43 - (Loss)
Play 44 - Won
Play 45 - Won
Play 46 - (Loss)
Play 47 - Won
Play 49 - (Loss)
Play 51 - Won
Play 52 - Won
Play 54 - (Loss)
Play 56 - Won

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Natural 9 

Hello, Natural 9, I trust all is well with you.

Your posted results are, frankly, astonishing:

33 bets placed, winning 27 while losing only 6 bets for an amazing 82% strike rate.

As an experienced Bac player, I find your results simply remarkable.  And so I did....

[alrelax]

I am floored by the amount of wagers you guys win!  Never saw anything like it!  I have played long and hard in many high limit rooms around the country with players having decades of experience.  No one wins like that.  But hey, new generation, new stats and methods.  If you keep it up one of two things will happen: 

1)  All the casinos will pull baccarat for good; or

2)  They will soon be building more casinos in Atlantic City.

[Rinzler]

... there is a subjective nature to the game that cannot be explained.

What?  But it seems to have outlived roulette.