I thought this was the land of the free? Adulay even said speak your mind! We speak our mind and now it's locked? Did Ellis threaten you with a lawsuit or say he would punch you in the nose? Unreal
Being Ellis's bitch boy is a rough life.
Yup, it's Guinness and cashew time, hey hey.
Why didn't ADulay get jail time for the whole maverick scam? And how can anyone let someone who was involved in cheating people out of their money be a mod? What a crook!
Quote from: Whiskeypete on March 17, 2015, 02:43:36 AM
Why didn't ADulay get jail time for the whole maverick scam? And how can anyone let someone who was involved in cheating people out of their money be a mod? What a crook!
Yep, Seahog was involved up to the neck in promoting and extinguishing all negativity regarding the Mark Teruya Mavericks major scam, I say major because it was sold at $1000, a hefty price at the time, I guess it had to be split both ways? Surely I am not the only one around who visited the site??
Maybe we can locate somebody who actually got ripped off to comment on whether Seahog was only just a gate-keeper, time to do some searches on good old GamblerGlen. Personally ripping fellow gamblers off by selling snake oil is kinda the lowest of the low, especially if the con-artists doesn't actually need the money because he never has a losing year gambling, or maybe losses are subsidised via bogus system sales??
Guys,
Once again, you've got your information wrong.
I have closed NOTHING here. Zero, nada, zilch.
So, try again. Your witchhunt for a boogey man is sad.
AD
Quote from: Whiskeypete on March 17, 2015, 02:43:36 AM
Why didn't ADulay get jail time for the whole maverick scam? And how can anyone let someone who was involved in cheating people out of their money be a mod? What a crook!
Please. Demand that Victor remove me for being whatever it is you are making me out to be.
I would love to engage in these conversations as a "regular" user, but the forum comes first so I just shut up and attempt to work with the system.
I REALLY wish you guys would get your facts correct.
Oh yeah, when you see me selling anything here be sure and tell me about it.
I sell nothing. I have sold nothing. I NEVER mention "that other forum" here unless YOU guys bring it up.
Sadly, you are E's best salesmen due to your constant harping about his site!
Yes, everytime somebody goes off on a rant about "E", I notice a lot of the names from the local forums start flocking to his site and registering.
No need for me to do anything, you do it all yourself.
Sorry, it's just the truth. Something many of you have yet to learn on your own.
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Quote from: ADulay on March 17, 2015, 02:02:04 PM
Oh yeah, when you see me selling anything here be sure and tell me about it.
I sell nothing. I have sold nothing. I NEVER mention "that other forum" here unless YOU guys bring it up.
That is not the point. Nobody saying you ever sold anything here, nor did you mention Ellis's or Mark Teryau site (Maverick or Ultimate Baccarat) anywhere. You are too clever for that approach.
Rather you would mention CONSTANTLY on BaccaratLabs you won playing this or that Ellis system full stop, any please explain follow up questions were always answered with the usual curt ADulay response. A kinda cute way to
generate interest to a site where the gullible have to pay $400 to access and at which you were a moderator.
Ditto Maverick Baccarat, you were also the moderator, not just the gate-keeper, what was the analogy you told me at the time? "It was like driving somebody to a bank, and if they robbed it, but you didn't know they were going to do that, therefore you are innocent". Yeah alright, I can see that flying in a court of law... You were rather active in promoting $1000 scams and rapidly dealing with any dissension, so that potential customers weren't put off from parting with their $1000, therefore allowing Mark to continue to feed his gambling habit, minus whatever cut you received. And now you are "our moderator". I am assuming Victor didn't know, if he did, it would be really bad news.
Your prior association with scammers casts a dark shadow and taints your position here. You should do the right thing and under your own cognizance resign as a moderator as you put Victor who is a honest stand-up guy in a difficult position, he is probably too polite to tell you you to go. Nobody in the gambling community likes con-artists and snake oil sales-men, despite your prostrations to the contrary. .......
We have other moderators on this site who never have been associated with any seller, given albalaha recently got pulled up regarding that his signature could be construed as touting for business, that was rather mild given the history of the Seahog.
I experience the same, the software lock up issue has never been addressed despite the coding skills that is prevalent here!!!!
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on March 17, 2015, 05:02:39 PM
That is not the point. Nobody saying you ever sold anything here, nor did you mention Ellis's or Mark Teryau site (Maverick or Ultimate Baccarat) anywhere. You are too clever for that approach.
Rather you would mention CONSTANTLY on BaccaratLabs you won playing this or that Ellis system full stop, any please explain follow up questions were always answered with the usual curt ADulay response. A kinda cute way to generate interest to a site where the gullible have to pay $400 to access and at which you were a moderator.
Ditto Maverick Baccarat, you were also the moderator, not just the gate-keeper, what was the analogy you told me at the time? "It was like driving somebody to a bank, and if they robbed it, but you didn't know they were going to do that, therefore you are innocent". Yeah alright, I can see that flying in a court of law... You were rather active in promoting $1000 scams and rapidly dealing with any dissension, so that potential customers weren't put off from parting with their $1000, therefore allowing Mark to continue to feed his gambling habit, minus whatever cut you received. And now you are "our moderator". I am assuming Victor didn't know, if he did, it would be really bad news.
Your prior association with scammers casts a dark shadow and taints your position here. You should do the right thing and under your own cognizance resign as a moderator as you put Victor who is a honest stand-up guy in a difficult position, he is probably too polite to tell you you to go. Nobody in the gambling community likes con-artists and snake oil sales-men, despite your prostrations to the contrary. .......
We have other moderators on this site who never have been associated with any seller, given albalaha recently got pulled up regarding that his signature could be construed as touting for business, that was rather mild given the history of the Seahog.
Couldn't have said it better. I remember adulay and maverick. Adulay says I talk stuff I speak the truth and I don't skirt nada! A spade is a spade no matter how you twist and turn it.....
I for one vote the snake oil con-artist salesman who cheats others out of their money-ADulay- I vote him off the island!!!
There was an uproar over the WoV site regarding somebody who welshed on a bet and got banned from the site, as it was considered the worst gambling sin. What would they think of somebody who has been so closely associated to one of the worst scammers of a generation ECD and his off shoot Mark Teryua.
People that are the first to pounce and twist and turn are the ones to watch! People who live in glasses houses shouldn't throw rocks at others....
The unintelligent natural9 got a free pass with Alvin because they have certain people their system and so they can pump and dump.
Now that loser is asking about another strategy!!!??
He has the holy grail and now he wants another!!!
Read between the lines people: natural9 and his cohort never ever had a winning system. They tried their hardest to lead some sheep to slaughter. I'm the baccarat crusader and will not allow It!!
People asked him for details and he have up zero, zilch, nada! Then he wants help!!!
Bwahahahaha, guy has serious issues....
Quote from: Jimske on March 18, 2015, 05:17:06 PM
What's wrong with you? On one hand you complain that N-9 doesn't give you the method for free and on the other you say his method is worthless! Did he want help or was he just asking about a possible side bet to go along with his regular play? He didn't say he abandoned Alvin.
There IS NO WINNING SYSTEM - just winning players.
Myself and a slew of others have asked n9 about the system and were stonewalled at every turn.
If the system worked and he's minting gold bars, why would you even consider another system? Greed, stupidity, probably the latter.....
Again, he may not have said he abandoned Alvin but read his posts! He's making a living!!! Now, he wants more!? Read between the lines. It never worked. Period.
Quote from: ADulay on March 17, 2015, 02:02:04 PM
I would love to engage in these conversations as a "regular" user, but the forum comes first
If the forum comes first, you would resign your status as moderator for the integrity sake of the forum, then you could respond as a regular user. There are 3 other mods plus Victor here. The boards continuation is not dependant your position of being a moderator, you are well aware of the insidious subliminal promoting you have acted out on forums going back years..
Hey if you were a regular user, you might even post something useful for once, rather than I played 2HiDiHi NOR, ADot system. No wait, you were a regular user at BaccaratForums and posted basically
nothing.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on March 18, 2015, 09:14:56 PM
If the forum comes first, you would resign your status as moderator for the integrity sake of the forum, then you could respond as a regular user.
Unlike some people, I do not "cut and run" at the first sign of a crisis.
I accepted the position here as a moderator and for the longest time managed to do it quietly and in the background so that NOBODY would have their fragile gambling egos hurt.
The false rantings of a few people posessed with the "herd mentality" would not be a valid reason to quit.
When the forum moderators decide that I am truly a detriment to the forum, they will quietly ask me to resign and we'll all move on.
Why do so many of you live such melodramatic lives in the online communities?
To quote a very astute observer of human nature:
"On the internet, you can be anything you want. Why do so many people choose stupid?"
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Quote from: ADulay on March 19, 2015, 12:44:56 AM
Unlike some people, I do not "cut and run" at the first sign of a crisis.
I accepted the position here as a moderator and for the longest time managed to do it quietly and in the background so that NOBODY would have their fragile gambling egos hurt.
The false rantings of a few people posessed with the "herd mentality" would not be a valid reason to quit.
When the forum moderators decide that I am truly a detriment to the forum, they will quietly ask me to resign and we'll all move on.
Why do so many of you live such melodramatic lives in the online communities?
To quote a very astute observer of human nature:
"On the internet, you can be anything you want. Why do so many people choose stupid?"
AD
I'm going to give you my 2 cents and it isn't really worth that!
I have seen you on MANY baccarat and gambling forums throughout the years. You always avert the question and never answer directly. It's you. I think most who have been around and know you, know this. You talk a lot like Ellis. In riddles, in secret tongues, always side-stepping the direct questions.
You may be a swell guy in real life, heck, i'm a swell guy in real life. But, one thing I don't like is pump and dumpers like Ellis and this Alvin guy. To prey upon the weak is terrible, reprehensible really. Just like that moron Maverick Mark! Haha, didn't he go to jail? Or have charges against him?
So many people get taken by these self proclaimed "gurus", it's astonishing......
Imspirit has tested about every system known to man and they have all failed. I'm like Jim, sorta. I like to see systems (even though in the back of my mind I know they won't work long term), I want to see if there is anything new or something I haven't thought about. When I first started out in baccarat I bought my fair share thinking I could break the casino, wow, was I in for a big surprise....
Anyways, that's it, that's my 2 cents worth......
Quote from: WorldBaccaratKing on March 19, 2015, 02:51:59 AM
Imspirit has tested about every system known to man and they have all failed. I'm like Jim, sorta. I like to see systems (even though in the back of my mind I know they won't work long term), I want to see if there is anything new or something I haven't thought about. When I first started out in baccarat I bought my fair share thinking I could break the casino, wow, was I in for a big surprise....
That imsprint cat is a fraud, he wouldn't tes according to the parameters as laid out by that Seth cat, hey hey.
Soxfan raises a good point!
Ian Harmer (seth) gave out his sports tips before they ran/played and proved his method worked over many years. Imspirit tested Seth's method completely ignoring half the rules. When Seth pulled him up on it, he said he couldn't be bothered testing it again. [smiley]aes/dont_know.png[/smiley] What sort of independent testing is that.
My point is that you can't always trust the so-called good guys either because you don't really know what side of the fence someone sits on.
That brings me to Ellis. It strikes me that a genuine person trying to help others to win would not charge someone that had already bought a system of them previously that was a proven failure. You would think they would be entitled to all future releases for free until a winner was found. But let me guess that's not the case with this guy and many others. I suppose people can get addicted to systems just like gambling itself and throw a lot of good money away over the years. How many of the suckers that buy all this stuff are the same guys who bought version 1, 2, 3 etc......
It reminds me of what Izak said all those years ago ''let's milk those suckers''.
Funny how as soon as the baccarat section on this forum got a bit more popular last year, you get all these new posters come along who contribute nothing in any other thread except to big up guys who have the 'grail' and it can be yours too for $500.
Now if Victor was sincere when he said the community as a whole can decide on important matters from now on....then we can all decide on a form of action against any unwanted scammers.
Quote from: ADulay on March 19, 2015, 12:44:56 AM
When the forum moderators decide that I am truly a detriment to the forum, they will quietly ask me to resign and we'll all move on.
AD
Are you above the new community rules ADulay?
We will
all decide who is a detriment to the forum or not.
cheers
Quote from: horus on March 19, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
Now if Victor was sincere when he said the community as a whole can decide on important matters from now on....then we can all decide on a form of action against any unwanted scammers.
I did raise this, apparently the move was rejected for not being popular. Not that I ever saw a vote for that, nor was solicited for my opinion.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on March 19, 2015, 01:35:08 PM
I did raise this, apparently the move was rejected for not being popular. Not that I ever saw a vote for that, nor was solicited for my opinion.
LoL, well if that's the case, it shows the intentions were never well meant in the first place. Still, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Most systems sell for a coupla few hundred bucks and most cats drop that sum in a single losing session. Ain't nobody holding a gun to anybody's head forcing them to buy methods. So, as long as system seller honor the money back promis then I don't have any problem wth them, hey hey.
LOL, try getting a refund from Ellis, Mark Teryua, complain about the latter and you were removed from the site, by the gate-keeper (our moderator).
No scammer offers refunds except Izak.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on March 19, 2015, 11:36:28 PM
LOL, try getting a refund from Ellis, Mark Teryua, complain about the latter and you were removed from the site, by the gate-keeper (our moderator).
No scammer offers refunds except Izak.
The Leonard Benson always gave a no question asked refund. If cats don't offer refund up front then it is simply buyers beware, hey hey.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on March 19, 2015, 11:36:28 PM
LOL, try getting a refund from Ellis, Mark Teryua, complain about the latter and you were removed from the site, by the gate-keeper (our moderator).
No scammer offers refunds except Izak.
Once again, you have incorrect facts.
I have never removed anyone for comments, questions, stupid remarks and all the rest of the incredibly odd things people do on public forums.
I have removed MANY big time spammers, porn links, African money schemes and things like that.
Once again, you're just making stuff up. We've got a president (lower case on purpose) like that. He's about as intelligent too.
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When President Obama was elected into the White House, I congratulated my neighbour who is Black and served in Vietnam with the USAF, it was a good feeling, as I'm sure it was in 1865.
Now you're just trolling.
Too bad I've used up my one post per day to respond.
1865? Wasn't that the year the first US coffee percolator was patented?
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Quote from: ADulay on March 20, 2015, 11:42:56 PM
1865? Wasn't that the year the first US coffee percolator was patented?
Fail. It was the year in which the confederate flag flying bigots were dragged into the 19th century (as it were at the time). Amerika has come along way in 150 years....
Quote from: Jimske on March 21, 2015, 12:44:01 AM
Andy your comments to Whiskey, your comment that you can't post more than once a day, .......
Jim
I should have written that sentence better. It should have read I choose to post only once a day.
No sense in keeping multiple junk threads alive when everything can be handled in a single pass.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Alvin,
Please don't post in my thread. You are the definition of a scammer and I don't like scammers. Stay away, far away...