Hello! Just registered www.BetOnly.club
A new site to bring my vision of a proper betting discussion place, including embedded support to thrive. Its features:
- Non-betting discussion is outright banned.
- Main sections are: "Bet Selection", "Money Management", "Full strategies". Short and to the point.
- I'm the "Benevolent Curator For Life" of the site.
- Sponsors our BetSoftware bot.
- Won't disturb BetSelection.cc's ways.
- BetOnly.club is an entirely separate project.
..."Free is doomed, let's try paid" :nod:
Yep, let's allow the market to decide.
:thumbsup:
Vic
Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site, of course run by our leader 'VLS'.
Your 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?
I have received several inquires regarding this. My understanding is the above. Please clearly confirm.
As well. concerning BetSelection, my understanding is, within the "Blogs" AKA the "Highlighted", -Casino-Gambling-Casino Related-Personal from the participating members/guests, etc., is totally acceptable. Within the "Sections" AKA the "General-Forums-MM, etc., postings and discussions regarding the thread topic.
I was under the impression as I know numerous members were, you were going to change all aspects of this site, except for the "Highlighted" section/Blogs, to post about systematic gambling wagering and that is it, nothing else.
So, you are saying, a totally separate site? Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc.
Sorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to.
Thanks,
Glen/Alrealx
Moderator and Member of BetSelction
Quote from: alrelax on November 12, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site
Yep.
Quote from: alrelax on November 12, 2018, 01:03:40 PMYour 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?
Correct.Quote from: alrelax on November 12, 2018, 01:03:40 PMI have received several inquires regarding this. My understanding is the above. Please clearly confirm.
I clearly confirm: BetOnly.club is a site with no ties to BetSelection's database, sections or ways.
I was going to "move the furniture" so to speak but received some generous & timely advise from great members.
Special thanks to you Bally, Angelo & Max.
Quote from: alrelax on November 12, 2018, 01:03:40 PMSo, you are saying, a totally separate site? Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc.
Yes, created in order to break the "chicken & egg" problem.
It always breaks down to funding. I can only dedicate so many hours in the "night shift" after work. It's simply impossible for me to devote enough time to create what we deserve in such a way.
The more paying members, the more
day-time hours I can devote to developing the "club". We've several projects in the back-burner; some for years now waiting for completion. It's time to finish them, even if it requires supporting members to pay.
It's this model or no development at all.
Quote from: alrelax on November 12, 2018, 01:03:40 PMSorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to.
Thanks
BetSelection continues "as is". It's the best for both groups.
I'll be running my own personal vision of how a systems forum should be, developing freeware programs in the process and dedicating my work to those who share the vision and
support it.
It's a "benevolent dictatorship" :D
Vic
Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.
It is clear.
Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.
From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.
QuoteI'll be running my own personal vision of how a systems forum should be, developing freeware programs in the process and dedicating my work to those who share the vision and support it.
This is a nice one to be part of... Lots of fun for system players / enthusiasts :nod:
Quote from: alrelax on November 12, 2018, 04:55:13 PM
Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.
It is clear.
Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.
From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.
The way I understand the new "systems" site you're not going to have much input into it Alrelax.
I do not play systems, although some systems make sense if you can pick them apart and use what you can use in your style of play. Possibly, it could be profitable that's another story and another area.
Victor wants to expand upon his systems within his computer programming on computer type of play. I don't know anything about it and I don't get involved in this.
Kind of like Motocross dirt bike racing and racing bikes on asphalt or drag racing. Or possibly another analogy of fast food restaurant dining versus cooking your own food.
I'm still stubbornly creating our own "BetWeb" forum engine (custom).
Really aiming at making it the forum we've ever wished. Technical aspect included.
This project may be my last Betting-related project online hence it's rather important to get it right.
Given it sticks, we have a viable (stable) forum for decades to come :thumbsup:
Yep, Almost zero "Noise" to systems ratio! :nod:
I will be curating an accompanying eBook to be sold on Amazon, eBay and other marketplaces.
Price for the club is $97 per year / 365 days.
Yearly rate will provide enough margin of "operational continuity" to make our new focused community thrive and also solve the upfront development hours for the 100% free software bot being sponsored.
The "Free Backdoor" is for new published method authors to be rewarded with 4 months / 120 days of free access.
What do I get for 100 Euro a year, what is the expectation.
I can be considered to become a member and think the price is right for the correct information and material.
For example, if you contribute with LW-Registry methodology and other solutions and methods like the old days Lanky was around.
Then I would be considering getting something in return for my investment.
I would not like to have a bunch of inexperienced members sharing ideas and pay 100 Euro a year for that kind of material and information.
My expectation would be that more experienced members contribute and share information, that way I would get some kind of return on investment.
Let me make one comparison, I can pay 100 Euro and get professional sports betting tips for six months into my mobile phone from one tipster with an edge.
That means I will get a return of investment during that half year betting from a range between 100 up to 400 Euro.
Victor, I take this matter very seriously.
I don't join a club where there is no substance of quality.
I elaborate on this to get some feedback on how you reckon you will run that forum.
Paying 100 Euro to get a place with no (no sayers) go keep a smooth discussion will not cut it as I only need to ignore members who not walk the same path as me.
Will make one more comparison, one baccarat forum take 50 Euro a month for membership.
It would be fine if you got something else then old methods that have been known for several years.
And the discussion just circles around flat betting with no known solutions then your own homework based upon others guesswork and hints.
Wast of my time and money when I can get several professional tipsters working for me and my money offering an edge and true return on investment, flat betting.
For half the price on a yearly basis.
Do you get my point?
If we can't learn to gamble and earn money in various ways, then I would not pay for any kind of service that offers less.
Actually, I expect you to open up like in the old days and start sharing again if you don't want this idea to vanish like some other project you had.
How would you interact with other more experienced members to share and keep discussions alive at your forum that requires a payment for membership?
Cheers
Hello, thanks for your post! Short & sweet answer: the expectation is to have a place where the only type of posting and interaction is expected to be system/method study.
That's basically it.
I am submitting all of the systems I've created throughout the years as well as my own variations on several methods form the spanish-speaking "scene".
Only time will tell if the "Free Backdoor" would attract other fellow members to submit theirs.
On a side note, the new site sponsors two bot projects:
- BetSoftware (traditional windows bot)
- BetOnlyBot (experimental bot for Linux, Windows, Mac, web and mobile)
Both are 100% free for the community as a side gain from this endeavor that benefits both members and non-members alike.
...with the new Bot enjoying direct access to the server for customized functionality enabled for paid members.
There are no holy grail promises, just hardcore method study with accompanying software for members to make their own conclusions.
Site's actually only ~$8.08/mo, but the payment is needed in advance in order to have the "safety net" to plan for the year as opposed to being of the verge of inoperability for the proverbial/perpetual next month.
Yearly planning and yearly sponsorship is quite the shift regarding what we have today.
The site WILL be kept clean and curated since it's a "live book" (which members can download - i.e. all the forum pages in a single .PDF)
It isn't a traditional gambling community per se but a very focused betting study site.
There will actually be no surprises regarding content. All the live posts have a % of visible content as a 24/7 preview.
Good job! :thumbsup:
But softwares can't teach us about the actual conditions we're playing in.
If roulettes worldwide were adhering to the random.org site production I'd be the most wealthy guy in the universe.
as.
I can't see why I would pay to join as I already have many systems. None of which I play.
Sent this to a member, thought it would be good to post:
Quote from: VLS on December 20, 2018, 02:50:09 AM
Hello _, some clearing points:
- The forum is not "Private" in the traditional sense. i.e. all system topics have a partial preview so there are no hidden method threads.
- It is more of a club where people gather to study methods. I provide the software for the testing (bots).
- There are no moderators, only me.
- Some contributions are expected by other fellow system creators in exchange of getting access to the content.
- We launch with a small extra promo to close the year where we give 50% extra active membership time for people who join to close 2018. i.e. 548 days instead of 365 days.
- The site is being put online @ www.betonly.club
I'm developing it on my computer so there's only a test page on the server right now.
Live (public) release is expected by Christmas. It's just a few days left to launch.
Cheers & many thanks for your interest!
Vic
I'm avoiding implicating "winning system" in the copy.
TL;DR:
- Users agree they are buying access to the server only. No winning system(s) claimed inside.
- Original system creators can submit their method in exchange of 4 months of access.
I'm at the point of stripping "half-way" functionality. It is basically Pages, Register and Post.
okay. I'll plug my method for 4 mos access. :-)
Quote from: Jimske on December 27, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
okay. I'll plug my method for 4 mos access. :-)
That's great Jim! I figured it may be ok to squeeze '
ye olde brain' three (3) times a year for the freebie pass :)
A tad bit of a motivation to post can help keep it @ the productive side for the group!
...You never know which thread will take off & become
EPIC :nod: :thumbsup:
I will also reveal a method to get 4-month access - to get a feel and see how things unfold with the new forum.
Hope it can be like the old days when Lanky was around.
Cheers
Wonderful Patrik!
I'm still @ it. Club's server is up; I'm devoting to the web app itself.
We're launching with some form of promo for early adopters for sure.
summing up: this forum is dead and a new forum is coming . users must pay an annual fee if they do not publish a system.
I will never pay for a roulette forum but I will publish to get the free membership .if I publish enough follow-up systems will I have access according to the systems I publish? is there a limit on how many times you can post to get free months?
I change my mind about free access.
That is a problem Victor, then everyone can pick any junk and post it to get four months free access, not good at all.
There has to be a way around that.
The idea is to get minds that think alike, system junkies to develop, improve and tweak and discover new ways to tackle roulette.
Like getting some kind of family atmosphere.
But if everyone starts to contribute junk systems to get free access to avoid paying the fee you will get another junk forum.
Maybe you should skip the idea of offering four months of free access.
Cheers
Paying keeps everything honest and real, it keeps the real people real and the fake people off to the side I'm sorry that's my two cents. I'm not a systems junkie I'm giving you the reality end of it.
I agree and that is exactly the point I was trying to make.
Maybe my expression was unclear.
No matter if you are or not a system junkie, I think paid membership is the way to proceed.
Cheers
Paid membership is the serious people I don't care if it's $10 a month or $100 a month or $1,000 a month!! I belong to many Technical and professional organizations that they all, every single one of them charges money for computer access journals, phone consultations, chat assistance and this is all in technical non-gambling stuff and those are the real people in the respective field, anything else does not work.
I'm sorry, in my own opinion
Quote from: Sputnik on January 05, 2019, 04:44:23 PM
I change my mind about free access.
That is a problem Victor, then everyone can pick any junk and post it to get four months free access, not good at all.
There has to be a way around that.
Free access is granted
manually after validating the system. It is done by adding
+120 to the "remaining_days" integer field in the database.
System creators are the ones getting free access.
Variations to other people's systems with
substantial new copy/text are valid submissions too.
There are no set standards regarding minimum post length. Guess we'll work a fair & balanced minimum amount of words as submissions happen...
Quote from: wannawin on January 05, 2019, 02:25:58 AMif I publish enough follow-up systems will I have access according to the systems I publish? is there a limit on how many times you can post to get free months?
You can publish all three (3) methods in one day or take as much (or as little) delay in between; as you wish. It is entirely opt-in.
After your submission is approved, +120 days of full access are added to your account.
I'm doing the database as "
Microservices" so we can have
anything plugged into it. Data operations are
decoupled from the web page itself.
There are actually two front-ends. One for non-paying members (traditional
page-based, optimized for search engines) as well as a premium one as a single-page application with real-time feed plus other bells & whistles (think modern e-mail clients).
(Our downloads/software can finally enjoy being tied to member accounts thanks to it)
Any case, since there are no paying members yet, we're launching with the traditional one.
I'm dead serious about developing this club. The plain is for it to completely replace my daytime job. I only have one (1) remaining local client to make the transition.
The contents of the BetOnly.club site is also making it to an e-Book to be sold on Amazon, eBay, ClickBank plus other venues, making my incursion as an Internet marketer. That's a big incentive for me to be a proficient content curator besides being the developer of the club.
Well, this is it. I know we're only days away from release. It's a very important event in my life and our
communities around.
Quote from: VLS on January 05, 2019, 05:51:08 PMThat's a big incentive for me to be a proficient content curator [...]
I'm the "
Benevolent Curator For Life" of the club :D
Quote from: VLS on January 05, 2019, 05:51:08 PM
The plain is for it to completely replace my daytime job. I only have one (1) remaining local client to make the transition.
I finished my last local client job pending from last year and I've stopped looking for being hired here.
This is my daytime job from now on.We begin with the 50% extra days promo to benefit early adopters & getting initial funding.
Next message is the happy announcement. We're in this together indeed :thumbsup:
Okay, the new club site's basically ready to go.
We could launch right away yet I'm double and triple-checking things.
Initial promo is sensitive to your join day:
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- 13 to 19 = 100% extra = +730 days access (Two years access for earliest users!!)
- 20 to 26 = 50% extra = +548 days access.
- 27 to 31 = 25% extra = +456 days access.
Paypal is being used as payment gateway .
What is the price and what is your PayPal address?
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on January 12, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
What is the price and what is your PayPal address?
Cheers
Hello dear Patrik, price is
$97. My paypal address is: "
betselection@gmail.com"
You will be able to join via paypal button to setup your membership @
730 days.
I'm testing code and writing content as we speak. It's focused on Roulette content at the moment. I have
years of old notes to add.
We're starting with my previously-unpublished systems actually.
Okie, update before launch:
The last few days we've been facing several design decisions that affect us for the next decade, well into the 2020's.
For instance, doing our security with current standards for 2019+ i.e. Argon2 (https://github.com/P-H-C/phc-winner-argon2) password security.
Any case, the club's working on my development machine, but it's still not uploaded to the live server.
Bringing the oldie forum back AND supporting both the old + the new tech on the same main server delayed things a bit, but we're good now.
We're lying the foundation for great things as a matter of fact! i.e. we're ready for "plugging-in" real-time services such as user chats, downloaded software communication, and what not.
Web design is spartan as of now. I've been concerned with securing a solid server back-end.
We switch to the front-end / visual side of things as soon as the first paying members come around / join.