CODE 4 HORIZONTAL VARIATION
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Bet that the second 2 elements of a code 4 horizontal line MATCH the first 2 elements recorded in the line...
For instance:
B3 is first 2 results recorded on a line - bet for B3 to repeat
For instance:
2C is first 2 results recorded on line - bet for 2C to repeat
Rotate the 1-1-1-2 (total 5u) progression.
If lose the whole progression (1-1-1-2) then restart the progression.
Also, restart the progression after ANY WIN gained on a line.
Important: ONLY PLAY AFTER 2 L's in a row have occurred on a line then resume betting on the line immediately below at positions 3 and 4 for a match of the first 2 results on the line. **STOP AT A WINNER ON A LINE**
EXAMPLE (using col-doz-col-doz matrix)
B3A3 - L w (waiting for 2 horizontal non-matches in a row)
B1A2 - L L trigger (2 L's in a row on a line)
A1B1 - L1 w2 +1 (won 1 unit on dozen 1 - matched second result)
C2C2 - w w
C1B1 - L w
C3B2 - L L trigger
B3B3 - w2 w +3 (won 2 units betting column B. Stop)
B1C2 - L1 L1 trigger
A1A3 - w2 L +5 (won 2 units betting column A. Stop)
C1C3 - w L
B1B3 - w L
A3A3 - w w
C1B3 - L L trigger
B2A2 - L1 w2 +6
B3C2 - L L trigger
B1B1 - w2 w +8
A1C2 - L L trigger
B2A2 - L1 w2 +9
C2B3 - L1 L1 trigger
B3C1 - L1 L1 +7
A3A3 - w2 w +9
A3A2 - w L
A1C1 - L w
B2A3 - L L trigger
C1C1 - w2 w +11
A2A1 - w L
A1C1 - L w
A2A1 - w L
C2B3 - L L trigger
B1C2 - L1 L1 +9
B2B3 - w2 L +11
C3A2 - L L trigger
A2B1 - L1 L1 +9
B1B1 - w2 w +11
B3C1 - L L trigger
C1C2 - w2 L +13
A3B3 - L w
C1A1 - L w
C3B2 - L L trigger
B2B2 - w2 L +15
B1C3 - L L trigger
A1A1 - w2 w +17
C3B3 - L w
C1B1 - L w
A1C3 - L L trigger
A2B3 - L1 L1 +15
A1A1 - w2 w +17
B1A3 - L L trigger
B1A2 - L1 L1 +15
C2A3 - L1 L2 +12 (Lost 1-1-1-2; restart progression)
A1C1 - L1 w2 +13 (stop after win)
B1C2 - L L trigger
C2B3 - L1 L1 +11
C2C1 - w2 L +13
Highest bet on a doz or col = 2u ^-^
Quit when ahead. Use random entry and hit-n-run for better results?
A.
Hi Atlantis.
At last a dozen concept that plays for a MATCH.
Fantastic work with this origanal idea.
Twister UK will love this.....
Will post a session soon.
Brilliant.
Dino.
If Zero appears when looking for a qualifying D/C,just ignore.....yes.
Atlantis have you noticed how many MATCH on the VERTICAL !
Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 03:48:36 PM
Hi Atlantis.
At last a dozen concept that plays for a MATCH.
Fantastic work with this origanal idea.
Twister :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Brilliant.
Dino.
Nice twist on the concept. I see Atlantis just isn't letting this idea go. I think he knows its unfinished business, that's very good. I will have to look at this. A successful single dozen method is always desirable. This might be one. :thumbsup:
Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
If Zero appears when looking for a qualifying D/C,just ignore.....yes.
Yes
Thanks Atlantis.
Live-Dealer B+M.
3C 2A
1A 1C
1A 3B
3B 2A
2C 3A
3B 2C
2A 2A
OC 1B
3A 2A
2A 1B
3A 10
30 3C
3B 3A
3C 2A
3A 1C
3C 3C
1B 3B
3B 2C
1A 2B
1B 1B
2A 2B
2C 1C
3C 1C
1A 2A
2C 3A
3C 1C
1A 2A
2B 1A
3C 1A
2B 2C
1A 1A
1A 1B
2C 1A
3B 2C
3C 1A
3A 2A
1B 2C
3B 2C
0B 2B
1C 3A
3A 3A
1C 2B
2C 3C
1A 2A
1A 2A
2B 1C
1B 2C
3A 3A
3C 1C
1A 3C
3A 3C
3C 1B
3B 2A
3B 2B
3B 3B
Horizontal OR Vertical...take your pick...
3C 2A
1A 1C
1A 3B
3B 2A
2C 3A
3B 2C
2A 2A
OC 1B..........why did you not ignore this zero?
This might be a fun way to play.
Sam
Hi Dino - using those I get:
3C 2A L L TRIGGER
1A 1C W2 L +2
1A 3B L L TRIGGER
3B 2A L1 L1 +0
2C 3A L1 L2 -3
3B 2C L1 L1 -5
2A 2A W2 W -3
OC 1B
3A 2A L W
2A 1B L L TRIGGER
3A 10 L1 L1 -5
30 3C
3B 3A W2 L -3
3C 2A L L TRIGGER
3A 1C L1 L1 -5
3C 3C W2 W -3
1B 3B L W
3B 2C L L TRIGGER
1A 2B L1 L1 -5
1B 1B W2 W -3
2A 2B W L
2C 1C L W
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2C 3A L L TRIGGER
3C 1C L1 W2 -2
1A 2A L W
2B 1A L L TRIGGER
3C 1A L1 L1 -4
2B 2C W2 L -2
1A 1A W W
1A 1B W L
2C 1A L L TRIGGER
3B 2C L1 L1 -4
3C 1A L1 L2 -7
3A 2A L1 W2 -6
1B 2C L L TRIGGER
3B 2C L1 L1 -8
0B 2B
1C 3A L1 L2 -11
3A 3A W2 W -9
1C 2B L L TRIGGER
2C 3C L1 W2 -8
1A 2A L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1C L L TRIGGER
1B 2C L1 L1 -10
3A 3A W2 W -8
3C 1C L W
1A 3C L L TRIGGER
3A 3C W2 L -6
3C 1B L L TRIGGER
3B 2A L1 L1 -8
3B 2B L1 W4 -5
3B 3B W W
-5 so far.
Seems these were slightly unfavourable results.
A.
Yes,i began with Horizontal and noticed getting into a negative situation ,that's when i thought how about your idea BUT Vertical instead.
It,s funny how random seems to re-align itself when forced on the vertical.
If we could all crack this to MATCH a D/C at 2-1 odds we'd all be cleverer than the team at BLETCHLEY PARK !!!
Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 05:36:02 PM
Yes,i began with Horizontal and noticed getting into a negative situation ,that's when i thought how about your idea BUT Vertical instead.
It,s funny how random seems to re-align itself when forced on the vertical.
If we could all crack this to MATCH a D/C at 2-1 odds we'd all be cleverer than the team at BLETCHLEY PARK !!!
Agreed. :)
Hi Dino,
Your same numbers but using a more 'patient' trigger of 4 L's in a row over 2 lines:
L L
L L
3C 2A L L
1A 1C W L
1A 3B L L
3B 2A L L TRIGGER
2C 3A L1 L1 -2
3B 2C L1 L2 -5 (RESTART PROG)
2A 2A W2 W -3
OC 1B
3A 2A L W
2A 1B L L
3A 10 L L TRIGGER
30 3C -3 (no bet due to zero; wait next line)
3B 3A W2 L -1
3C 2A L L
3A 1C L L TRIGGER
3C 3C W2 W +1
1B 3B L W
3B 2C L L
1A 2B L L TRIGGER
1B 1B W2 W +3
2A 2B W L
2C 1C L W
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2C 3A L L
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1A L L
3C 1A L L TRIGGER
2B 2C W L +5
1A 1A W W
1A 1B W L
2C 1A L L
3B 2C L L TRIGGER
3C 1A L1 L1
3A 2A L1 W4 +6
1B 2C L L
3B 2C L L TRIGGER
0B 2B +6 (no bet due to zero; wait next line)
1C 3A L1 L1 +4
3A 3A W2 W +6
1C 2B L L
2C 3C L W
1A 2A L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1C L L
1B 2C L L TRIGGER
3A 3A W2 W +8
3C 1C L W
1A 3C L L
3A 3C W L
3C 1B L L
3B 2A L L TRIGGER
3B 2B L1 W2 +9
3B 3B W W
+9 PROFIT (as opposed to -5 using the 2 L's trigger)
Might be better way to go........? :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 17, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
Agreed. :)
Hi Dino,
Your same numbers but using a more 'patient' trigger of 4 L's in a row over 2 lines:
L L
L L
3C 2A L L
1A 1C W L
1A 3B L L
3B 2A L L TRIGGER
2C 3A L1 L1 -2
3B 2C L1 L2 -5 (RESTART PROG)
2A 2A W2 W -3
OC 1B
3A 2A L W
2A 1B L L
3A 10 L L TRIGGER
30 3C -3 (no bet due to zero; wait next line)
3B 3A W2 L -1
3C 2A L L
3A 1C L L TRIGGER
3C 3C W2 W +1
1B 3B L W
3B 2C L L
1A 2B L L TRIGGER
1B 1B W2 W +3
2A 2B W L
2C 1C L W
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2C 3A L L
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1A L L
3C 1A L L TRIGGER
2B 2C W L +5
1A 1A W W
1A 1B W L
2C 1A L L
3B 2C L L TRIGGER
3C 1A L1 L1
3A 2A L1 W4 +6
1B 2C L L
3B 2C L L TRIGGER
0B 2B +6 (no bet due to zero; wait next line)
1C 3A L1 L1 +4
3A 3A W2 W +6
1C 2B L L
2C 3C L W
1A 2A L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1C L L
1B 2C L L TRIGGER
3A 3A W2 W +8
3C 1C L W
1A 3C L L
3A 3C W L
3C 1B L L
3B 2A L L TRIGGER
3B 2B L1 W2 +9
3B 3B W W
+9 PROFIT
Might be better way to go........? :)
A.
I like the look of that Atlantis. Looks solid...
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 17, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
I like the look of that Atlantis. Looks solid...
Hi JL,
I appreciate your input into this topic... Yes it *could* be good played the second way (horizontally; commencing bet prog after 4 L's as shown)
Atlantis.
Like your thinking Atlantis....less bets more PROFIT...
Really impressed the Horizontal works now.
More testing required,me thinks.
Will utilise the new Horizontal improvement AND track how the Vertical works or not as i test further.
Even more Brilliant !!
Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
Like your thinking Atlantis....less bets more PROFIT...
Really impressed the Horizontal works now.
More testing required,me thinks.
Will utilise the new Horizontal improvement AND track how the Vertical works or not as i test further.
Even more Brilliant !!
Hi dino246,
There's no substitute for the testing, of course. I will do some as well. And I think you have to utilise the hit and run concept to some degree and stop when ahead - even if small profits... I'm a great believer in building up the profits slowly and steadily - it's like filling up a petrol tank a few drops at a time until you get to a full tank! :glasses:
A.
Agreed.
4L's look great so far
and just 5 unit buy in? that leaves space for many things me thinks ;)
I will look into this also :thumbsup:
Another test example using previous real results:
1a3a
1c1a W L
2c1b L L
1c2a L L TRIGGER
3c1a L1 L1
3c1c L1 W4 +1
3b2b W L
1c3b L L
2b1c L L TRIGGER
2c2b W2 L +3
2c1c L W
2c2c W W
1c1b W L
3a2b L L
1c2b L L TRIGGER
1c1b W2 L +5
3c2b L L
2b3a L L TRIGGER
2b2b W2 W +7
2c2a W L
1a3b L L
1c1a W L
3a1b L L
1c2b L L TRIGGER
3a1a L1 W2 +8
1c2a L L
1a3a L W
1a1b W L
3a1a L W
2b1a L L
1c1b W L
1c1a W L
1c1b W L
2b3b L L
1a3b L L TRIGGER
3a2c L1 L1
2b2a w2 L +8
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 17, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
Hi JL,
I appreciate your input into this topic... Yes it *could* be good played the second way (horizontally; commencing bet prog after 4 L's as shown)
Atlantis.
Im going to test this over the coming weeks and report my stats here Atlantis. This has me feeling very positive. It looks very strong. I will post my results 50 games at a time. I think AMK will be happy to see the CODE 4 concept with new life.
I haven't played it for some time although it was still profitable. But not as much as I had hoped for. Lets see how this one goes. Good to see you making a contribution here Atlantis. It feels like the old days. Before things went sour you know where.
Nice work Atlantis. :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on December 17, 2012, 07:25:12 PM
Another test example using previous real results:
1a3a
1c1a W L
2c1b L L
1c2a L L TRIGGER
3c1a L1 L1
3c1c L1 W4 +1
3b2b W L
1c3b L L
2b1c L L TRIGGER
2c2b W2 L +3
2c1c L W
2c2c W W
1c1b W L
3a2b L L
1c2b L L TRIGGER
1c1b W2 L +5
3c2b L L
2b3a L L TRIGGER
2b2b W2 W +7
2c2a W L
1a3b L L
1c1a W L
3a1b L L
1c2b L L TRIGGER
3a1a L1 W2 +8
1c2a L L
1a3a L W
1a1b W L
3a1a L W
2b1a L L
1c1b W L
1c1a W L
1c1b W L
2b3b L L
1a3b L L TRIGGER
3a2c L1 L1
2b2a w2 L +8
A.
flatbetting for a repeat of a row above this numbers end +21 (meaning after 1A3A bet 1 then A then 3 then A and so on)
go figure
Nice of you Soggett to test the Vertical version of Atlantis concept.
I always like the idea of having two bits from the same cherry.
Whether tracking both versions is practical,time will tell.
Hope Atlantis doesn't mind all this extra interest !!
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 17, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
Im going to test this over the coming weeks and report my stats here Atlantis.This has me feeling very positive. It looks very strong. I will post my results 50 ganes at a time.
Nice work Atlantis. :thumbsup:
Hi JohnL,
I will also play it as I have shown (the horizontal way after 4 L's)
With your vast previous experience playing your matrix and code 4 type systems, if anybody can discover the strength or weakness of this one or come up with any refinements or modifications it will certainly be you... I know that you would soon discover if it is worth pursuing or not... - I'm happy to see any session stats you care to provide and any new rules and game targets you think are best.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 07:45:13 PM
Nice of you Soggett to test the Vertical version of Atlantis concept.
I always like the idea of having two bits from the same cherry.
Whether tracking both versions is practical,time will tell.
Hope Atlantis doesn't mind all this extra interest !!
Nah! Cherries are one of my favourite fruit. :nod:
Soggett - thanks for your findings and feel free to post any further ones on the vertical concept - it's just I agree with JL that the horizontal way played after 4 L's seems could be more solid in the long term....
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 17, 2012, 07:53:36 PM
Hi JohnL,
I will also play it as I have shown (the horizontal way after 4 L's)
With your vast previous experience playing your matrix and code 4 type systems, if anybody can discover the strength or weakness of this one or come up with any refinements or modifications it will certainly be you... I know that you would soon discover if it is worth pursuing or not... - I'm happy to see any session stats you care to provide and any new rules and game targets you think are best.
Regards,
A.
Great Atlantis, that 5 unit buy in as Soggett said is very appealing. And leaves space for all manner of MM options. I would like to see AMK get involved in this too if he cares to. it's a very inspiring and strong offering. I will enjoy testing.
And if the potential I see holds up. I will incorporate it into my challenges at a later stage. This is ALL good Atlantis thanks again.
Hello again Atlantis we have finally found you again, no pun intended : )
An honor to have you advance the CODE 4 concept further. I think we should give it some time before we agree what approaches seem to be the best, at least for me.
JL has taken the lead and I thank him for doing so.
Looking forward to following this thread!!
Sogget,
Could you explain a little more on how you are flat betting.
You are using atlantis's triggers but then flat bet the the last line to match the one above it (the last L L trigger line)??
Quote from: AMK on December 18, 2012, 11:58:05 AM
Sogget,
Could you explain a little more on how you are flat betting.
You are using atlantis's triggers but then flat bet the the last line to match the one above it (the last L L trigger line)??
I used the whole line
1A3A
here i would bet 1 then A then 3 then A so
1A3A
1C1A this would be WLLW - 2, -1, -1, 2 ends 2+
this session worked, the first one posted goes to -35 so not very good i am afraid
I believe after initial testing combining HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL at the same time during the betting flow increases the hit-rate.
No waiting for Loss-Triggers etc.
Look again,as i have done and count up how many H+V D/C Match,there's just too many to ignore.
Often if you lose a Match on the H,you win it back on the V,plus a one unit profit.
Mild progression is required,so split each bet in half,50% on H,50% on V,etc.
Hope this all makes sense.
Dino.
So as not to mess up Atlantis's thread further,i will transfer the H+V concept to a new Topic/Thread.
To be Referenced as.........AHDV COMBINED ( Atlantis Horizontal Dino Vertical )
Hope this is ok with you Atlantis.
See you all "on the other side"
Cheers.
Dino.
Trying now betting only after FIVE consecutive L's.
This can occur with only 2 win/loss patterns. They are:
W L
L L
L L
L L
L L
L
I use same progression 1-1-1-2 then restart
1a3a
1c1a W L
2c1b L L
1c2a L L trigger
3c1a L1 L1
3c1c L1 W4 +1
3b2b W L
1c3b L L
2b1c L L trigger
2c2b W2 L +3
2c1c L W
2c2c W W
1c1b W L
3a2b L L
1c2b L L trigger
1c1b W2 L +5
3c2b L L
2b3a L L trigger
2b2b W2 W +7
2c2a W L
1a3b L L
1c1a W L
3a1b L L
1c2b L L trigger
3a1a L1 W2 +8
1c2a L L
1a3a L W
1a1b W L
3a1a L W
2b1a L L
1c1b W L
1c1a W L
1c1b W L
2b3b L L
1a3b L L trigger
3a2c L1 L1
2b2a w2 L +8
Hopefully this will make stronger/safer and more profitable :)
A.
Nice work Atlantis....
I'm still back-testing an H+V version,which is turning out to be of a complex nature !!
This is all very enjoyable....thank you.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on December 19, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
Nice work Atlantis....
I'm still back-testing an H+V version,which is turning out to be of a complex nature !!
This is all very enjoyable....thank you.
Dino.
Hi Dino. Yes it is interesting alright!
Here are your previous unfavourable results which resulted in -5 now played with the 5L's mod:
3C 2A L L
1A 1C W L
1A 3B L L
3B 2A L L trigger
2C 3A L1 L1
3B 2C L1 L2
2A 2A W2 W -3
OC 1B
3A 2A L W
2A 1B L L
3A 10 L L
30 3C
3B 3A W L
3C 2A L L
3A 1C L L trigger
3C 3C W2 W -1
1B 3B L W
3B 2C L L
1A 2B L L
1B 1B W W
2A 2B W L
2C 1C L W
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2C 3A L L
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1A L L
3C 1A L L
2B 2C W L
1A 1A W W
1A 1B W L
2C 1A L L
3B 2C L L trigger
3C 1A L1 L1
3A 2A L1 W4 +0
1B 2C L L
3B 2C L L
0B 2B
1C 3A L L1 trigger
3A 3A W2 W +1
1C 2B L L
2C 3C L W
1A 2A L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1C L L
1B 2C L L
3A 3A W W
3C 1C L W
1A 3C L L
3A 3C W L
3C 1B L L
3B 2A L L trigger
3B 2B L1 W2 +2
3B 3B W W
+2
There were 5 betting opportunities and the result was now +2
but maybe could improve the progression to 8-step??
1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11 = 31u at risk
That would give a better +6 profit on the above session.... :)
3C 2A L L
1A 1C W L
1A 3B L L
3B 2A L L trigger
2C 3A L1 L1
3B 2C L1 L2
2A 2A W6 W +1
OC 1B
3A 2A L W
2A 1B L L
3A 10 L L
30 3C
3B 3A W2 L
3C 2A L L
3A 1C L L trigger
3C 3C W2 W +3
1B 3B L W
3B 2C L L
1A 2B L L
1B 1B W W
2A 2B W L
2C 1C L W
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2C 3A L L
3C 1C L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1A L L
3C 1A L L
2B 2C W L
1A 1A W W
1A 1B W L
2C 1A L L
3B 2C L L trigger
3C 1A L1 L1
3A 2A L1 W4 +4
1B 2C L L
3B 2C L L
0B 2B
1C 3A L L1 trigger
3A 3A W2 W +5
1C 2B L L
2C 3C L W
1A 2A L W
1A 2A L W
2B 1C L L
1B 2C L L
3A 3A W W
3C 1C L W
1A 3C L L
3A 3C W L
3C 1B L L
3B 2A L L trigger
3B 2B L1 W2 +6
3B 3B W W
A.
I'm sure this is all getting somewhere,as a 1D/C Match concept is one hellva challange !!
Interesting after LL,how many D/C match together on the Diagonal same as the Vertical.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL*
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50
TOTAL GAMES WON 46
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
STRIKERATE 11.5/1
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO.
BALANCE=59 UNITS PLUS.
Okay I am loving this method Atlantis, its EXCELLENT. But im staking differently to how you suggested. I wait for the DOUBLE TRIGGER. Then play up to 4 bets on the following two lines. Using the progression I used to use for THE ZONE.
1,1,2,3=7 UNITS RISK.
So for example
1A2B
1C3A----DOUBLE LOSS TRIGGER
3B1C LL
2A1A LW= PLUS 2 UNITS.
And I've only lost 4 games doing this H.A.R of course out of 50 played. I think You have something a bit special here Atlantis. Its early days yet. But it feels very natural and is looking strong. When you consider, it could profit with a strikerate of 5/1, Its got my attention. Next update at 100 games. :thumbsup:
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 19, 2012, 05:35:28 PM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL*
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50
TOTAL GAMES WON 46
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
STRIKERATE 11.5/1
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO.
BALANCE=59 UNITS PLUS.
Okay I am loving this method Atlantis, its EXCELLENT. But im staking differently to how you suggested. I wait for the DOUBLE TRIGGER. Then play up to 4 bets on the following two lines. Using the progression I used to use for THE ZONE.
1,1,2,3=7 UNITS RISK.
So for example
1A2B
1C3A----DOUBLE LOSS TRIGGER
3B1C LL
2A1A LW= PLUS 2 UNITS.
And I've only lost 4 games doing this H.A.R of course out of 50 played. I think You have something a bit special here Atlantis. Its early days yet. But it feels very natural and is looking strong. When you consider, it could profit with a strikerate of 5/1, Its got my attention. Next update at 100 games. :thumbsup:
Wow, JL - you've been busy! These truly are good results from H.A.R. and only using the DOUBLE TRIGGER too!
I've had little time to do much roulette today; except to chip in with my suggested 5LOSS TRIGGER as I honestly think it will be safer and reduce losses but it means more patience and waiting of course (like FIVE and 8on1)... I do like the 7 unit progression 1-1-2-3 you are using.
Out of interest JL,any zero in those 4 loses ?
Quote from: atlantis on December 19, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
Wow, JL - you've been busy! These truly are good results from H.A.R. and only using the DOUBLE TRIGGER too!
I've had little time to do much roulette today; except to chip in with my suggested 5LOSS TRIGGER as I honestly think it will be safer and reduce losses but it means more patience and waiting of course (like FIVE and 8on1)... I do like the 7 unit progression 1-1-2-3 you are using.
When I believe in something Atlantis, I go for it. This I believe in. I think the overall strikerate will be at least 7/1.
Which means PROFIT. I always say there's nothing wrong with a progression so long as its justified. Here I see that. On the four losses I had.
3 of them won by the potential 5th or 6th bet.
there's alot of potential here Atlantis. :thumbsup:
Quote from: dino246 on December 19, 2012, 06:42:47 PM
Out of interest JL,any zero in those 4 loses ?
Yes Dino there was a ZERO in the second loss.
OK I played a fast session on BVNoZero using the 5-L trigger.
172 spins. Total profit = +6
Only 4 games qualified.
2 games won on 1st bet +4
2 games won on 2nd bet +2
There was a point in the session where I waited 104 spins before a 5L trigger event happened to signal the next (and last) game I played. At that stage I was +4 up. However on BV the whole session only lasted a perfectly acceptable 18mins.
So maybe it can work well on reliable r.n.g. using fastspin to speed up qualifiers...
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 19, 2012, 07:38:01 PM
OK I played a fast session on BVNoZero using the 5-L trigger.
172 spins. Total profit = +6
Only 4 games qualified.
2 games won on 1st bet +4
2 games won on 2nd bet +2
There was a point in the session where I waited 104 spins before a 5L trigger event happened to signal the next (and last) game I played. At that stage I was +4 up. However on BV the whole session only lasted a perfectly acceptable 18mins.
So maybe it can work well on reliable r.n.g. using fastspin to speed up qualifiers...
A.
The longest I've had to wait for a game with the double trigger is 72 spins Atlantis. The shortest, and shortest possible 8. Most are somewhere between 20--40 spins.
Hi,
Had time to do another test of 176 spins using the 5-LOSS TRIGGER
This time on dublinbet table 1 actuals:
Only 4 games qualified.
Profit +6
2 won on 1st bet
2 won on 2nd bet
I'm going to continue with the 5-L's TRIGGER testing even though JL is using a DOUBLE TRIGGER that seems working well.
Example of 5-LOSS TRIGGER
1C2B L L
1C3B L L
3B1C L L1 - Trigger and first bet (lost)
2A2A W2 W = +1 (2nd bet win)
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 20, 2012, 03:43:45 PM
Hi,
Had time to do another test of 176 spins using the 5-LOSS TRIGGER
This time on dublinbet table 1 actuals:
Only 4 games qualified.
Profit +6
2 won on 1st bet
2 won on 2nd bet
I'm going to continue with the 5-L's TRIGGER testing even though JL is using a DOUBLE TRIGGER that seems working well.
Example of 5-LOSS TRIGGER
1C2B L L
1C3B L L
3B1C L L1 - Trigger and first bet (lost)
2A2A W2 W = +1 (2nd bet win)
Regards,
A.
Atlantis its going steady with the double trigger. I will update on Saturday or Sunday. I think youve hit on one great single dozen method. I like how steady this is flowing. Once I have a 1,000 games in the bag I will know if this is as strong as I suspect.
Great work Atlantis, your best offering ever in my opinion.
Hi John,
Great to hear that still going OK.
JL, here I show how you can get more triggers (although I am playing using 5-L trigger and prog: 1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11 = 31u at risk)
You can do it by using code 4 notation AND ALSO reverse code 4 notation matrixes for each number spun to get more bet opportunities on the cols/doz
1C2B L L B2C1 L L
1C2A L L B3B3 W W
1C1A W L C2BA L L
1B1C W L B2C3 L L
1B3A L L C1A2 L L1 - TRIGGER
2A1A L W A1B2 L1 L1
1A1A W W C1C1 W4 W - +1 (4TH STEP)
3C1A L L B2B1 W L
2B2B W W C1C2 W L
1C2C L W B2C2 L W
2C3C L W B2B1 W L
1A1C W L C3C3 W W
2B3C L L B1C1 L W
2A1C L L - TRIGGER C3A1 L L
1C2C L1 W2 - +1 (2ND STEP) B2C2 L W
3A1C L L C1C1 W W
2B3C L L A1A3 W L
3C2B L L1 - TRIGGER C1C1 W W
1A2A L1 W2 +0 (3RD STEP) B2B2 W W
2B2C W L B2B1 W L
2C1A L L A2C1 L L
3C1C L W C1B2 L L - TRIGGER
2C2C W W A2A2 W2 W +2 (1ST STEP)
3A2C L L A2C3 L L
3A2B L L C2B2 L W
1A3B L L1 - TRIGGER B2A1 L L
3A1A L1 W2 +0 (3RD STEP) B2B2 W W
1C1C W W A3B1 L L
3A2A L W B3C2 L L
1A2B L L C3A2 L L1 - TRIGGER
2C2C W W B2B3 W2 L +1 (2ND STEP)
3A1C L L A1C1 L W
1B3C L L B1A1 L W
2B2A W L C3B2 L L
3A1B L L A3B1 L L
140 spins. +5
A.
Today's test of CODE 4 HORIZONTAL (with trigger 5-L's)
3 b 1 c L L
1 a 1 b W L
1 a 2 b L L
1 c 3 a L L trigger
2 c 3 c L1 W2 +1
1 a 2 a L W
1 a 2 a L W
3 b 2 a L L
2 c 1 b L L trigger
1 a 2 a L W2 +3
3 a 2 a L W
2 b 2 b W W
2 a 1 b L L
3 c 3 c W W
2 a 3 a L W
2 a 3 b L L
1 c 2 b L L
3 a 3 a W W
2 a 2 b W L
1 a 1 b W L
2 c 2 b W L
3 c 3 c W W
2 a 1 c L L
1 a 3 c L L
1 a 3 b L L1 trigger
1 c 2 b L1 L1
3 a 3 a W4 W +4
1 b 3 a L L
1 b 1 c W L
1 c 1 c W W
1 a 1 b W L
3 a 3 b W L
3 b 2 b L W
2 c 1 a L L
2 c 3 c L W
2 c 3 a L L
1 a 2 b L L
3 c 2 a L L1 trigger
3 c 2 b L1 L1
2 b 2 b W4 W +5
1 a 1 a W W
2 b 1 a L L
2 b 1 c L L
1 b 3 b L W2 trigger +7
3 b 3 a W L
3 c 3 b W L
2 b 3 c L L
3 b 1 b L W
1 a 1 b W L
1 c 3 b L L
1 c 1 c W W
1 a 1 a W W
3 b 1 c L L
3 a 2 a L W
3 a 1 b L L
1 a 1 b W L
3 a 1 c L L
1 a 3 a L W
1 a 2 c L L
3 c 2 b L L
1 c 2 b L L1 trigger
2 b 1 c L1 L1
1 b 1 a W4 L +8
2 c 2 b W L
3 a 3 a W W
3 a 3 a W W
3 a 3 c W L
2 b 2 c W L
3 a 3 b W L
1 a 1 b W L
2 c 3 c L W
2 a 2 b W L
1 c 2 a L L
1 b 3 c L L trigger
2 a 1 a L1 W2 +9
2 b 1 c L L
3 b 2 b L W
2 b 1 a L L
2 c 3 b L L
2 a 3 b L L1 trigger
2 b 2 b W2 W +10
1 c 2 c L W
1 b 3 a L L
3 a 2 b L L
1 c 2 a L L1 trigger
3 a 3 a W2 W +11
1 b 1 a W L
3 c 3 b W L
1 c 1 a W L
2 b 3 b L W
3 b 2 a L L
3 a 3 a W W
2 b 3 b L W
2 c 3 c L W
3 c 1 b L L
2 a 3 c L L
1 c 2 c L W2 trigger +13
2 a 2 b W L
2 b 1 c L L
2 a 3 a L W
400 spins. +13u profit
More profit could have been achieved using the reverse code 4 notation in tandem with standard code 4 matrix as in previous post...
So that's 24 games played so far with the 5-L mod.
24 won - 0 lost Profit: +30u Highest progression reached so far: Step 4
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 21, 2012, 04:35:40 PM
Today's test of CODE 4 HORIZONTAL (with trigger 5-L's)
3 b 1 c L L
1 a 1 b W L
1 a 2 b L L
1 c 3 a L L trigger
2 c 3 c L1 W2 +1
1 a 2 a L W
1 a 2 a L W
3 b 2 a L L
2 c 1 b L L trigger
1 a 2 a L W2 +3
3 a 2 a L W
2 b 2 b W W
2 a 1 b L L
3 c 3 c W W
2 a 3 a L W
2 a 3 b L L
1 c 2 b L L
3 a 3 a W W
2 a 2 b W L
1 a 1 b W L
2 c 2 b W L
3 c 3 c W W
2 a 1 c L L
1 a 3 c L L
1 a 3 b L L1 trigger
1 c 2 b L1 L1
3 a 3 a W4 W +4
1 b 3 a L L
1 b 1 c W L
1 c 1 c W W
1 a 1 b W L
3 a 3 b W L
3 b 2 b L W
2 c 1 a L L
2 c 3 c L W
2 c 3 a L L
1 a 2 b L L
3 c 2 a L L1 trigger
3 c 2 b L1 L1
2 b 2 b W4 W +5
1 a 1 a W W
2 b 1 a L L
2 b 1 c L L
1 b 3 b L W2 trigger +7
3 b 3 a W L
3 c 3 b W L
2 b 3 c L L
3 b 1 b L W
1 a 1 b W L
1 c 3 b L L
1 c 1 c W W
1 a 1 a W W
3 b 1 c L L
3 a 2 a L W
3 a 1 b L L
1 a 1 b W L
3 a 1 c L L
1 a 3 a L W
1 a 2 c L L
3 c 2 b L L
1 c 2 b L L1 trigger
2 b 1 c L1 L1
1 b 1 a W4 L +8
2 c 2 b W L
3 a 3 a W W
3 a 3 a W W
3 a 3 c W L
2 b 2 c W L
3 a 3 b W L
1 a 1 b W L
2 c 3 c L W
2 a 2 b W L
1 c 2 a L L
1 b 3 c L L trigger
2 a 1 a L1 W2 +9
2 b 1 c L L
3 b 2 b L W
2 b 1 a L L
2 c 3 b L L
2 a 3 b L L1 trigger
2 b 2 b W2 W +10
1 c 2 c L W
1 b 3 a L L
3 a 2 b L L
1 c 2 a L L1 trigger
3 a 3 a W2 W +11
1 b 1 a W L
3 c 3 b W L
1 c 1 a W L
2 b 3 b L W
3 b 2 a L L
3 a 3 a W W
2 b 3 b L W
2 c 3 c L W
3 c 1 b L L
2 a 3 c L L
1 c 2 c L W2 trigger +13
2 a 2 b W L
2 b 1 c L L
2 a 3 a L W
400 spins. +13u profit
More profit could have been achieved using the reverse code 4 notation in tandem with standard code 4 matrix as in previous post...
So that's 24 games played so far with the 5-L mod.
24 won - 0 lost Profit: +30u Highest progression reached so far: Step 4
A.
Hi Atlantis, your five loss trigger may end up being the ultimate option for playing longer sessions. I've played 75 games now.
And the TOTAL longest wait for a win using your five loss trigger over those 75 games is five bets. Which means a progression of 1,1,2,3,5=12 Units risk.
Would have won all 75 of those bets. This method is fantastic. My next update will be tomorrow evening. :thumbsup:
Hi JohnLegend,
Thanks for your very encouraging report update about your discoveries with the 5-L trigger... It also confirms what I am finding out myself the more I test that way... :)
That means adding your games to mine we have 99 games without defeat and highest step 5. Not bad at all!!
I am prepared to use an 8 step progression after the 5 L's: 1,1,1,2,3,5,7,11 (31u) - but of course am hoping that will not be reached or even be necessary. Finding the optimum type of progression will be of key importance...
A win on my third step simply returns +0 (level) so my five step prog is 1-1-1-2-3 (only 8 units risk) but of course I know your profits would have been higher over the 75 games that you playtested with your preferred progression 1-1-2-3-5 (12u)
Let's hope this thing pans out to even more success. I'm warily optimistic, JL. :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on December 21, 2012, 09:12:30 PM
Hi JohnLegend,
Thanks for your very encouraging report update about your discoveries with the 5-L trigger... It also confirms what I am finding out myself the more I test that way... :)
That means adding your games to mine we have 99 games without defeat and highest step 5. Not bad at all!!
I am prepared to use an 8 step progression after the 5 L's: 1,1,1,2,3,5,7,11 (31u) - but of course am hoping that will not be reached or even be necessary. Finding the optimum type of progression will be of key importance...
A win on my third step simply returns +0 (level) so my five step prog is 1-1-1-2-3 (only 8 units risk) but of course I know your profits would have been higher over the 75 games that you playtested with your preferred progression 1-1-2-3-5 (12u)
Let's hope this thing pans out to even more success. I'm warily optimistic, JL. :)
A.
Yes Atlantis, I risked 80 units per game on the original CODE 4. I would certainly be prepared to risk 46 on this. It will be interesting and exciting to see how long it holds. I will stake 1,1,2,3,5,7,11,16=46 Units risk. So 25--30 wins secure a progression. Then Im playing for pure profit.
80/1 or better longterm and I personally would be over the moon. H.A.R I've a feeling it could last a lot longer. And I will find out as I play the first 1,000 games. :thumbsup:
I am playing this method using a double trigger and 8 step progression of 1,1,2,3,5,7,11,16=46 UNITS RISK. I have now completed 100 games. Taking into account the 8 step progression. ALL 100 have won comfortably. The progression hasnt been challenged once over those 100 games..
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL*
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 100
TOTAL GAMES WON 100
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100/0
BALANCE 183 UNITS PLUS
DOULBE LOSSES ZERO
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 100
I believe this is going to turn out to be one of the greatest methods ever published on a forum. Certainly the best SINGLE DOZEN/COLUMN method I have ever seen. When you consider it takes 25--30 wins to match a progression. And it could comfortably win 100/1 What started as my PATTERN 4, then became CODE 4 from AMKs excellent alternating concept.
Has now become a great single dozen method from Atlantis's relentless testing and morphing of good ideas. I will of course play this method H.A.R. Next update at 150 games.
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 23, 2012, 07:39:48 AM
I am playing this method using a double trigger
Does it mean:LL
LL ?
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 23, 2012, 07:39:48 AM
The progression hasnt been challenged once over those 100 games..
What was the highest step of progression?
Thanks.
Quote from: marivo on December 23, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
Does it mean:
LL
LL ?What was the highest step of progression?
Thanks.
Yes Im using a double trigger like that. I went to step 6 once in those 100 games.
Atlantis is using this
LL
LL
L
Safer but you can wait ages for that. Even the double can take a while. The progression will collect many wins compared to losses. Esoecially H.A.R. I believe 80/1 average is very realistic.
Hi JohnLegend,
Nice results indeed!
I played another 9 winning games using the 5-L's trigger.
I play it with 2 possible triggers:
LL
LL
L
and
WL
LL
LL
For the very first time one game took me right up to step 8 before the WIN (no zero's involved)
That was playing continuously though - I really think you are probably right to play this HIT AND RUN style.
Just saying, that's all. Best to stay wary and careful in these early days of testing.
Best wishes,
Atlantis.
Quote from: atlantis on December 23, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
Hi JohnLegend,
Nice results indeed!
I played another 9 winning games using the 5-L's trigger.
I play it with 2 possible triggers:
LL
LL
L
and
WL
LL
LL
For the very first time one game took me right up to step 8 before the WIN (no zero's involved)
That was playing continously though - I really think you are probably right to play this HIT AND RUN style.
Just saying, that's all. Best to stay wary and careful in these early days of testing.
Best wishes,
Atlantis.
Yes Atlantis, I like the two way five loss trigger. Your improvement of the CODE 4 concept, has in turn helped me to perfect CODE 20. REMEMBER THAT ONE?
I will sit on it till the new year. Its looking very strong now. H.A.R is the only way to play this one for me Atlantis. :thumbsup:
CODE 20 - a very promising flatbetting method if I remember...
Sure it would be good to see an improved concept of that.
A.
If it doesn't work in "short term" then it won't work in :-* "long term", simply as that. But just my opinion.
Regards Timo
ps.Merry Christmas :love:
Quote from: Timo on December 23, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
If it doesn't work in "short term" then it won't work in :-* "long term", simply as that. But just my opinion.
Regards Timo
ps.Merry Christmas :love:
Timo this gem works. H.A.R its another special one. Something that's going to beat this game longterm.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL*
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 150
TOTAL GAMES WON 150
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 150/0
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
LONGEST WINNING STREAK (CURRENT) 150
Using an 8 step progression after a double trigger of 1,1,2,3,5,7,11,16=46 UNITS RISK. And playing H.A.R This method still hasnt lost. 104 of the 150 wins were inside the first 4 steps of the progression. Which still hasnt been challenged.
After 150 games the longest its taken to hit a winner is step 7 twice. Now considering as little as 23 wins can match a progression. This has to be one of the strongest methods in relation to risk I've ever seen. No big drawdowns and hoping it recovers somewhere along the line.
Just track until you have that double trigger and begin. Atlantis's stroke of genius has also led to me making a method I was working on last year CODE 20 into something alot stronger and more readable than it was. When I've tested it well.
It will be introduced to the forum sometime next year. As Atlantis said the MORE PATIENCE you have the stronger this great single dozen method becomes.
If you can wait for a 5 loss
LL
LL
L---BET
Or TRIPPLE TRIGGER
LL
LL
LL
---BET
XL
LL
LL
L---BET
You have random on the ropes. I keep talking of VIRTUAL LIMITS. I know they exist. And they are a certain way to tame and beat random. I have one in 7 ON 1. And depending on the PATIENCE OF THE PLAYER. Atlantis has presented a method that offers us the opportunity to have another.
And I have to praise him highly here. Because my VIRTUAL LIMIT. Has 242 UNITS on the line. And requires 242 wins to match that progression.
His has less than half that amount on the line. And requires as little as 53 wins to cover the risk. If you were to play CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL* With a TRIPPLE TRIGGER. And a 10 step progression 1,1,2,3,5,7,11,16,24,36=106 UNITS RISK. You have something VERY POWERFUL. Very powerful indeed.
nice results JL
hope atlantis has the same
question, why u use progression 1,1,2,3,5,7,11,16 instead of the classic one 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14 ?
to get more on a hit?
Hi JL
Nice results. I have had time to play a further 85 games without defeat over last few days using continuous actuals (not hit and run) using 5L trigger.... :)
I also agree with JL that a triple LL trigger + a ten-step prog and played H-A-R then surely seems very powerful indeed!
My suggested 10-step is a more cautious 1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11-16-25 = 72u risk.
Regards,
Atlantis.
Quote from: atlantis on January 02, 2013, 11:23:33 AM
Hi JL
Nice results. I have had time to play a further 85 games without defeat over last few days using continuous actuals (not hit and run) using 5L trigger.... :)
I also agree with JL that a triple LL trigger + a ten-step prog and played H-A-R then surely seems very powerful indeed!
My suggested 10-step is a more cautious 1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11-16-25 = 72u risk.
Regards,
Atlantis.
and how were your results over those 85 games?
Hi soggett,
85 games won - 0 lost
profit=115u (approx due to record testing error)
4 games won on step 7
A.
Quote from: atlantis on January 02, 2013, 11:42:14 AM
Hi soggett,
85 games won - 0 lost
profit=115u (approx due to record testing error)
4 games won on step 7
A.
nice results :thumbsup:
so the most you have seen is 12 L in a row?
that's not bad
then like JL said, 6 L's and a 10 step progression - cha ching :cheer: :cheer:
Quote from: soggett on January 02, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
nice results :thumbsup:
so the most you have seen is 12 L in a row?
that's not bad
then like JL said, 6 L's and a 10 step progression - cha ching :cheer: :cheer:
Hi Soggett, I play to garner 2 units on most of the steps. Only step 2 returns 1 UNIT.
Yes playing H.A.R it would take a long time to run into 16 consecutive losses. Certainly alot more than 60/1 on average. I have already secured 155 wins inside a 12 loss plan. I believe 16 is a VIRTUAL H.A.R LIMIT. Basically running random ragged. Until it has two switch to the other side.
RANDOM HAS VIRTUAL LIMITS. Find them and the game is yours. More people will take me seriously come July. Theyll witness what those virtual limits can achieve.
Quote from: atlantis on January 02, 2013, 11:23:33 AM
Hi JL
Nice results. I have had time to play a further 85 games without defeat over last few days using continuous actuals (not hit and run) using 5L trigger.... :)
I also agree with JL that a triple LL trigger + a ten-step prog and played H-A-R then surely seems very powerful indeed!
My suggested 10-step is a more cautious 1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11-16-25 = 72u risk.
Regards,
Atlantis.
Yes Atlantis, I believe itll prove a Virtual H.A.R LIMIT in the longterm. Its superior to my 7 ON 1 because the risk is less than half 106 Vs 242. And the return is greater 53---65 to cover a loss. Vs 242 to cover a loss.
Which one will prove more invincible longterm in relation to the aforementioned, I can't say yet. But they are both going to be longterm winners. ;D
Very interesting JL and Atlantis.
I really like the look of this one.
Quote from: SamNL on January 02, 2013, 02:13:31 PM
Very interesting JL and Atlantis.
I really like the look of this one.
Yes Sam, it's a special one. What started as AMKs CODE 4. Has now been fashioned into an awesome single dozen method by Atlantis. The potential of this method is incredible.
Im testing/playing it for real in my personal everyday play. If its half as good as I suspect. I will bring it into my JLCHALLENGE at some point. I want my challenge to stand up with PB, 7 ON 1 and FIVE.
Once I've proven those methods longterm world beaters. I will bring in CODE 4 HORIZONTAL. And CODE V5. Which is a perfected CODE 20. To put the icing on the cake. And move towards life changing money for Superman and me.
I will do some tests with some permanenzen from Spielbank of last year. Starting at 1-1-2012. Just like Sam is doing with the LvF test on the other forum.
Have only done 1 test now because it's getting late here. Will test more later and report back with results.
I just have made a second test on the online casino where I usually play and have attached the results of that session too.
Quote from: SamNL on January 03, 2013, 12:24:55 AM
I will do some tests with some permanenzen from Spielbank of last year. Starting at 1-1-2012. Just like Sam is doing with the LvF test on the other forum.
Have only done 1 test now because it's getting late here. Will test more later and report back with results.
I just have made a second test on the online casino where I usually play and have attached the results of that session too.
Sam
You would have lost 2nd game played using 2L trigger and 10 step progression. John goes 150/0 and you go 1/1. Atlantis plays 80+ games where 4 times you would go to the last step of 10 step progression after 2L trigger. John never sees more than 9L. :D
Hi SamNL,
Yes - I think you are playing correctly in your excels after trigger
LL
LL
LL
Here are my latest results...
Continuous play with real numbers:
Trigger: six L's (strictly 3 lines of LL)
10-step progression: 1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11-16-25 = 72u
1a3c l l
1a2b l l
2b1c l l
2c2c w+2; w +2
3b1a l l
1c2b l l
3c2a l l
1c1c w+2 w +4
2c3a l l
1c2b l l
3a3c w l
2b1a l l
2a2b w w
2a2c w l
1a3c l l
1c2c l w
2c3a l l
2c3a l l
2b1a l l
3b3a w+2 w +6
1c1c w w
1c2a l l
2a2a w w
2b2c w l
2c3a l l
1c1b w l
3c2b l l
2a3a l w
1b2a l l
2a2b w l
1b1b w w
2b3c l l
3b1b l w
2c1c l w
3b3c w l
2b1c l l
1c1a w l
3a1a l w
3c2a l l
2a3c l l
3a3c w l
1a1b w l
3c2c l w
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2a2a w+2 w +29
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2b3a l l
3c2a l l
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1a2c l-1 l-1
2b1a l-1 l-2
1b1a w+6 l +30
1a1a w w
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1b3a l l
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1a3b l-1 l-1
1a2a l-1 w+4 +31
2b1a l l
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2a3b l l
1c3b l l
3c1c l-1 w+2 +34
3c1c l w
1b2c l l
2b3c l l
3a1c l l
3c2a l-1 l-1
2a1b l-1 l-2
1b3b l-3 w+10 +36
3c2a l l
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1b3a l l
1c2a l l
3b1b l-1 w+2 +37
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1a1c w l
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1b3a l l
2b3c l-1 l-1
2a2a w+2 w +38
1b3c l l
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1c3a l l
3b1c l l
1b3c l l
3b2a l-1 l-1
1b3a l-1 l-2
1a2b l-3 l-5
2c3c l-7 w+22 +40
2c3c l l
2b1a l l
2c3c lw
1b2c l l
3a2c l l
3b2c l l
3a1b l-1 l-1
1a3b l-1 l-2
3a2a l-3 w+5 +42
2a3b l l
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2b1a l l
1b1a w l
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1c3b l l
3a1b l l
3c3c w+2 w +44
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2a3c l l
1a2a l w
1c2b l l
3a2c l l
2b1a l l
2c2c w+2 w +46
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1c2b l l
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1b2a l l
3b1c l l
2a1b l l
2a3b l-1 l-1
1a3b l-1 l-2
3b2b l-3 w+10 +48
2b3b l w
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2a2b w l
2b1c l l
1b3a l l
3b1c l l
1b2c l-1 l-1
1c1b w+2 l +48
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1b1a w+2 l +50
1b3a l l
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2c3a l l
1a3b l l
3b1a l l
1b2a l-1 l-1
3c3b w+2 l +50
3c2b w l
1c2b l l
1a2c l l
1a1b w l
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2a3a l w
1c2b l l
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3a3c w l
1b1c w l
1c1a w l
3c2c l w
2b1a l l
3b1c l l
2b3c l l
2c1b l-1 l-1
2b1b l-1 w+4 +51
3b3b w w
3c2a l l
1b2a l l
3a2a l w
1c3b l l
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3a2b l l
1c2b l l
3a2c l l
2c3b l-1 l-1
1a2a l-1 w+4 +52
3b3b w w
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1a2c l l
1c1c ww
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2b1b lw
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3a2b l l
1c3a l l
3a1c l l
1c2a l-1 l-1
2b1c l-1 l-2
1b2b l-3 w+10 +54
1b2b l w
3b2a l l
2a1b l l
2c3b l l
2c2c w+2 w +56
1b2a l l
3c1c l w
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1a1b w l
3a2b l l
1c3b l l
3c2a l l
2c2c w+2 w +58
2a2c w l
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3c2b l l
3c3a w l
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3b1c l l
1c1b w l
3b3c w l
3a1b l l
1a2b l l
1c2b l l
2a1b l-1 l-1
3c3a w+2 l +58
2a2c w l
2b3a l l
1c1c w w
3b2a l l
2c1c l w
3b2b l w
1c2a l l
3b2c l l
2a3c l l
2b2c w+2 l +60
1b1a w l
2c2b w l
1c2a l l
2a2a w w
3a1c l l
3c2c l w
2b1b l w
1c3a l l
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1c2b l l
3b1a l l
1c3c l w
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1c2a l l
3a2b l l
1b1a w l
1b1c w l
1c1c w w
3a1b l l
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3a2b l l
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3c3c w w
2a2a w w
3a1a l w
2a1a l w
2c2a w l
1a2c l l
2b1c l l
3b2c l l
1b1a w+2 l +62
1b2b l w
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2a1b l l
2c3b l l
3c2c l w
1a3c l l
2b2b w w
2a2b w l
3c2b l l
2c2a w l
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1a2a l w
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3b3a w l
1a2a l w
3c2c l w
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1a3b l l
1c1b w l
2c1a l l
3c2b l l
2a2c w l
3b1c l l
1b3a l l
2a3a l w
1a3b l l
1a1c w l
1a1b w l
3b2b l w
2b1a l l
1b3a l l
2c2a w l
2c1b l l
3c2a l l
3a2c l l
3a1c l-1 l-1
2c2c w+2 w +62
2c3b l l
3c3c w w
2b3c l l
3b2a l l
3a3c w l
1b3c l l
2c1c l w
3b1c l l
3c1c l w
1c3b l l
2a3a l w
1a3b l l
3c2a l l
1c3c lw
1c1a w l
2c2a w l
1b1a w l
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2c2b w l
3b2c l l
2b3b l w
2a1a l w
2b1c l l
2a1b l l
3c2a l l
2a1b l-1 l-1
2c3b l-1 l-2
2a1b l-3 l-5
1a2c l-7 l-11
1c3c l-16 w+50 +65 *** 15 L's (highest)
2c3a l l
3a2a l w
2c1b l l
1c3b l l
1c3a l l
1b1c w+2 l +67
3b3c w l
2b3a l l
1c3a l l
3b1c l l
1c2b l-1 l-1
2c3a l-1 l-2
1b2b l-3 w+10 +69
3a1b l l
1c1c w w
2a1c l l
2c3a l l
1a2c l l
1a2b l-1 l-1
3b2a l-1 l-2
3a1a l-3 w+10 +71
3a1c l l
3a1a l w
1c1a w l
2a3c l l
2a3c l l
2c2b w l
3b3c w l
3a3a w w
2b2b w w
1b1b w w
3c1c l w
1c1c w w
2a2a w w
1b1a w l
3b1a l l
2c2a w l
2b1b l w
1a3c l l
3b1c l l
3b3b w w
1b3b l w
2a3c l l
1c1c w w
2b2c w l
1b1c w l
3b2b l w
2a2b w l
1a1c w l
1b1a w l
2c2b w l
1c1b w l
1a1a w w
2a3a l w
2a2b w l
3b3b w w
1b3a l l
1b1b w w
2c1b l l
1a2a l w
3a1c l l
1b1c w l
3a3b w l
3c3c w w
1c3a l l
3b1a l l
1b3b l w
2c3b l l
2b1b l w
2b1a l l
3b1b l w
3a3c w l
2b3a l l
2c1a l l
3b1b l w
3a2b l l
2a2c w l
1a1b w l
1c2c w l
2b1b l w
1a2b l l
3b3a w l
2c3b l l
3c3a w l
3c1b l l
3c3b w l
2c2c w w
1b3b l w
1b3a l l
1b1c w l
3b1a l l
2a3c l l
2a1a l w
1a3c l l
3a3b w l
2c3c l w
3c3b w l
1c2a l l
3b1b l w
1a3a l w
1a1b w l
2c3b l l
3c1a l l
3b3b w w
1a1c w l
3b2b l w
2c2c w w
2c1c l w
3b3b w w
2b2a w l
1c3c l w
2b1c l l
1b2a l l
1a3b l l
3a2a l-1 w+2 +72 (longest trigger)
The profit would have been more with JL's suggested prog. I prolly wouldn't have had the patience to wait for trigger in a couple of games... Although each game won I still think H-A-R is best approach.
A.
atlantis nice results man, how many spins is that? (I am too lazy to count ;D )
not bad at all
@ robeenhuut
he uses 2 rows of L for a trigger, so 4 L in a row
yea, we should start calling them 4 L not 2, it's confusing
Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 03, 2013, 06:54:29 AM
Sam
You would have lost 2nd game played using 2L trigger and 10 step progression. John goes 150/0 and you go 1/1. Atlantis plays 80+ games where 4 times you would go to the last step of 10 step progression after 2L trigger. John never sees more than 9L. :D
Matt you have mis-understood the triggers again. I have been taken to the 11th loss twice in 160 games.
A DOUBLE TRIGGER IS FOUR LOSSES
LL
LL= DOUBLE TRIGGER.
LL
LL
LL
X-----I have been this far twice. playing H.A.R on a live wheel only. Now what we are proposing is a TRIPPLE TRIGGER an 10 step progression. So random would have to show me this if it wants my 106 Units.
LL
LL
LL--TRIPPLE TRIGGER
LL
LL
LL
LL
LL--16 consecutive losses.
That may well be another VIRTUAL H.A.R LIMIT. Keep this in mind. what's got me so excited about this is the recovery is only 53--65 wins. But as sure as night follows day. The strikerate is going to be alot bigger.
VIRTUAL LIMITS are the CLOSEST THING to a certainty you will ever see in this game. TRIGGERS don't WORK? Alot of people are in for the shock of shocks this year.
Another session from Wiesbaden tested.
Will post some more sessions tomorrow from Wiesbaden.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 03, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Matt you have mis-understood the triggers again. I have been taken to the 11th loss twice in 160 games.
A DOUBLE TRIGGER IS FOUR LOSSES
LL
LL= DOUBLE TRIGGER.
LL
LL
LL
X-----I have been this far twice. playing H.A.R on a live wheel only. Now what we are proposing is a TRIPPLE TRIGGER an 10 step progression. So random would have to show me this if it wants my 106 Units.
LL
LL
LL--TRIPPLE TRIGGER
LL
LL
LL
LL
LL--16 consecutive losses.
That may well be another VIRTUAL H.A.R LIMIT. Keep this in mind. what's got me so excited about this is the recovery is only 53--65 wins. But as sure as night follows day. The strikerate is going to be alot bigger.
VIRTUAL LIMITS are the CLOSEST THING to a certainty you will ever see in this game. TRIGGERS don't WORK? Alot of people are in for the shock of shocks this year.
Atlantis in his last sample in 50 games had 9 times 11 or more L and once won on the last 10th step. How about these stats?
What happens here is a classic reversed engineering by trying to back fit progression to the stats. If he played here for example 8 step progression after 2L trigger the results would be disastrous. So lets make 16L a virtual limit. How did you come up with this number? ;)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 04, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
Atlantis in his last sample in 50 games had 9 times 11 or more L and once won on the last 10th step. How about these stats?
What happens here is a classic reversed engineering by trying to back fit progression to the stats. If he played here for example 8 step progression after 2L trigger the results would be disastrous. So lets make 16L a virtual limit. How did you come up with this number? ;)
How is Atlantis playing Matt? If you want to make a comparison with my numbers, you do so with someone playing exactly as im playing.
Hi robeenhuut,
In my last shown results I played strictly off the trigger
LL
LL
LL
That is after six L's spread across three lines.
I have a 10-step progression. (total = 72u)
The 10th step win was reached once. All the other wins were 8 steps or below...
However, I cannot fail to agree with you that if I had played off a trigger six consisting of:
WL
LL
LL
L
then the 10 step progression would have been lost!
I have not said it is foolproof. Also, the only engineering is to modify and tweak for optimum success. I'm not trying to cheat random - but simply to beat it... I happen to agree with JL with his statement that 16 L's "may prove to be a virtual H-A-R limit".
I played continuous games - JL played more advisable hit and run way.
It's possible that an even better or different style of progression could be generated (perhaps with "levels"?) If anybody has a good idea about that please post.
A.
Another 2 sessions from Wiesbaden.
I want to try this system. But I don't understand how the trigger works! :S sorry for my bad english etc. Could someone explain??
Hi ignatus,
In case you have still not worked it out yet....
Record sequences of 4 results in the format doz/col/doz/col
For example if the last 4 numbers were 16,19,3,28 then you record:
2a1a
Once you have recorded a line of 4 numbers like that you compare the first two elements (couplets) of the line with the last two pair of results on the line and if they match horizontally you record a "w". If they don't match you record an "L"
So you get:
2a1a Lw (the 2 and 1 do not match so it is a L; the column a's do match so that is classed as a w - win)
You build up your matrix with lines of 4 results eg:
2a1a l w
3b1c l l
2b2b w w
When you get a situation whre you have recorded 6 L's over 3 consecutive lines it is time to begin the progression:
2b3c l l
1a3b l l
2c3a l l - trigger to begin betting for a matching couplet on the next line eg:
2b3c l l
1a3b l l
2c3a l l -----six L's
1a--------------------begin to bet now for match of doz1 then next spin bet for match on column a - BUT always stop at a winner on the line.
Regards,
A.
Posts from rouletteforum.cc : )
AMK:
Thank you for your great work atlantis.
It is always inspiring to see the genius in roulette players.
Wonder what it would have been like to have Einstein on the forum?
He must have had some methods : )
atlantis:
Hi amk,
This system has grown out of your very own inspirational CODE 4, so I owe gratitude to you for your own work on that wonderful idea!
I should add, but of course you will know, that this system requires TIME and especially the important and demanding key virtues of PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE. All the same you can speed up qualifiers and get more bets in your session by recording the equivalent "col-doz-col-doz" format from your numbers side by side with the above original so you can bet for the matching dozen also using the same qualifying rules...
For example if the last 4 numbers were 16,19,3,28 then you record:
2a1a Lw and the reversal a2c3 LL
A.
Hi,
After some more testing and discouraging results obtained I have deleted the post referring to the alternate concept idea with the "cyclic bet" and instead returned to the original idea.
However, skakus came up with interesting idea on the other forum which is to bet on the reverse of a match occuring on the column after a horizontal match on the dozen...
Here are my results using a GAME TRIGGER line where horizontal matching dozen and column occur
eg 3a3a
eg 2c2c
Then bet AGAINST a matching column occurring after a horizontal matching dozen on the same line
eg 1b1 ? - bet against column b
eg 2a2 ? - bet against column a
Here I use double dozen progression
1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
.........etc.....
Example
=====
1a3c l l
1a2b l l
2b1c l l
2c2c ww trigger
3b1a l l
1c2b l l
3c2a l l
1c1c ww L1-1 -2
2c3a l l
1c2b l l
3a3c w l w2-2 +0
2b1a l l
2a2a w w trigger
2a2c w l w1-1 +1
1a3c l l
1c2c l w
2c3a l l
2c3a l l
2b1a l l
3b3a wl
1c1c ww trigger
1c2a l l
2a2a w w L1-1 -1
2b2c w l w2-2 +1
2c3a l l
1c1b w l
3c2b l l
2a3a l w
1b2a l l
2a2b w l
1b1b w w trigger
2b3c l l
3b1b l w
2c1c l w
3b3c w l w1-1 +2
2b1c l l
1c1a w l
3a1a l w
3c2a l l
2a3c l l
3a3c w l
1a1b w l
3c2c l w
3c1b l l
2c3a l l
3a2b l l
3b1a l l
2c2c w w trigger
2a2c w l w1-1 +3
2a1a l w
1b2a l l
2a1b l l
3b2b l l
3a2a l w
2a1b l l
3a2c l l
2a1c l l
1c3c l w
1b2c l l
3c3c ww trigger
2b3a l l
3c2b l l
3c2c l w
2a2b w l w1-1 +4
3a1a l w
3a1b l l
1c3a l l
1a3c l l
3c1b l l
2b3c l l
1c1c w w trigger
1a1b w l w1-1 +5
3b3b w w trigger
3a3b w l w1-1 +6
1b3b l w
1a3b l l
3c3a w l
2c3c l w
2a2a w w trigger
1c2b l w
3b2b l w
3a2c l l
1b1a w l w1-1 +7
2a1c l l
1c1c w w trigger
1c3c l w
1a1b w l w1-1 +8
1b1b w w trigger
1a2b l l
1a2b l l
2b1c l l
1c1c ww L1-1 +6
3c1b l l
1b2c l l
3c2c l l
1c2c lw
2a1b l l
1a3b l l
2b3b l w
2c2a w l w2-2 +8
3b3c w l
1c2a l l
3c1b l l
1c2a l l
2a2c wl
2c2a wl
2a2a ww trigger
2c1c l w
2a2b w l w1-1 +9
2a1a l w
3a2a l w
2b3c l l
2a3b l l
2b1b l w
3b2a l l
1c1b w w trigger
2a1a l w
1a1c w l w1-1 +10
1c3a l l
1c2c l w
2c1c l w
1b2b l w
3a1b l l
2a3b l l
3a2a l w
3c2a l l
2c3b l l
1b3a l l
1b1a w l
2b2b ww trigger
2a1b l l
1b1a w l w1-1 +11
2b1c l l
1b2b l w
2a3c l l
1c2a l l
3a3c w l
1c2c l w
1a3c l l
2b3b l w
1b1b w w trigger
1a2a l w
2a2c w l w1-1 +12
2b1a l l
3c2a l l
1a2c l l
2a1a l w
3c1c l w
1a2c l l
1b2b l w
3a3c w l
2b3c l l
1b2c l l
3a2c l l
3b1a l l
1c3a l l
3a1a l w
1a3b l l
1a2a l w
2a2b w l
2c1c l w
1a2b l l
1c3b l l
2b1a l l
2c1a l l
1b2b l w
3c1b l l
3b2b l w
2a1b l l
1a2a l w
1c3b l l
2a1b l l
1b3c l l
3c1b l l
1c3c l w
1c2c l w
2b2b ww trigger
1a2a l w
1b3a l l
2b3b l w
3a2b l l
1b1b w w L1-1 +10
1c3a l l
2b3c l l
2b3a l l
3a2c l l
3c1c l w
2c1c l w
2a2a ww L2-2 +6
1b2a l l
3a3c wl w3-3 +9 (down to 2-2)
2b2a w l
3c3b w l
1c2a l l
2a2c w l
2a2c w l
2b1c l l
2b3a l l
2c3a l l
2b1b l w
1a3c l l
2b3a l l
2a1b l l
3a1b l l
3a3a w w trigger
3a3a w w L2-2 +5
1c2b l l
3c3a w l w3-3 +8 (down to 2-2)
3a3b w l
1c1b w l
1b1a w l
1a3c l l
3b2a l l
3b3c w l
2c3a l l
3c1b l l
1c3a l l
1a3a l w
2c2a w l
3a2b l l
3a3b w l
2c3a l l
1b3c l l
2b1c l l
1b1c w l
3c1c l w
2a1b l l
1b3a l l
2c3c l w
2c3a l l
1b3b l w
1b3a l l
2c3c l w
1b3b l w
3a3b w l
1b1b ww trigger
1a3b l l
1a1b w l w2-2 +10
2c3b l l
1b3a l l
1b1a w l
2a1a l w
1c2a l l
3a2c l l
2a3b l l
2a1a l w
3b2a l l
3c1c l w
2a2b w l
3b1c l l
3c2a l l
3c1c l w
2b3b l w
3c2c l l
3c2a l l
3b2c l l
3b3a w l
3a3b w l
2a2c w l
2c1a l l
3c3b w l
2a1c l l
1b2a l l
3b1b l w
2b3a l l
1b1c w l
1a3c l l
2b1b l w
3b1b l w
1a3a l w
2a1c l l
1c3a l l
1c2c l w
1a1c w l
3b1c l l
3a1c l l
2a2a ww trigger
1b1c w l
3a2a l w
2b2b w w L2-2
3a3a w w L3-3
1c1a w l w4-4 +4 (stay at 3-3)
2b3a l l
3b1a l l
3b1b l w
3b1b l w
3b1c l l
3c1c l w
1a1c w l
3c3c w w trigger
1a2a l w
1b1c w l w3-3 +7 (stay at 3-3)
1a1b w l
2c3a l l
2a2c w l
3a1b l l
1c3a l l
2c2a w l
2c2a w l
2b1c l l
1a1c w l
2c3a l l
2b2b w w trigger
3b1b l w
2b3c l l
1c1a w l w3-3 +10 (stay at 3-3)
3a2b l l
1b3b l w
1c3c l w
3c2b l l
3a2a l w
3c2c l w
1b1a w l
1a2b l l
1c3b l l
1b2a l l
2a2a ww trigger
3c3a w l w3-3 +13 (down to 1-1)
1a3a l w
1b2c l l
1c3b l l
3a3c w l
3c3a w l
2b3a l l
3c2a l l
3c1b l l
1a2c l l
2b1a l l
1b1a w l
1a1a ww trigger
2a1c l l
3c1c l w
3c3c w w L1-1
3c3c w w L2-2
1a3c l l
3a2a l w
2c1a l l
2a2c w l w3-3 +10 (stay at 3-3)
1c2b l l
1b3a l l
3b2a l l
1a3b l l
1a2a l w
2b1a l l
1a3c l l
1a2a l w
2c3a l l
3c3c ww trigger
2c1a l l
2b2b w w L3-3
1c1a w l w4-4 +8 (stay at 4-4)
2c3b l l
3c2c l w
3b2a l l
2c3c l w
1a3a l w
1c1b w l
1b2b l w
2c2b w l
3a3a w w trigger
1b3a l l
1b1c w l w4-4 +12
1a3a l w
3b3b w w trigger
1c1b w l w4-4 +16 (down to 1-1)
3a2b l l
3c3c w w trigger
3c3c w w L1-1 +14
2b3a l l
3b2c l l
1a2c l l
1a1c wl w2-2 +16 (down to 1-1)
1a1a ww trigger
2c1c l w
1b2a l l
3a3c w l w1-1 +17 (stay at 1-1)
1b3c l l
3c3c l l
2b2b w w trigger
1b3a l l
2a1a l w
1c1c w w L1-1
3b1a l l
2a3b l l
1c3b l l
3c1c l l
3c1c l w
1b2c l l
2b3c l l
3a1c l l
3c2a l l
2a1b l l
1b3b l w
3c2a l l
3c1b l l
3b3b ww L2-2
2b2a w l w3-3 +14 (stay at 3-3)
3a2b l l
2c2c w w trigger
1a2a l w
2b3b l w
1b1c w l w3-3 +17 (down to 1-1)
1c3a l l
1b3c l l
1a1c lw
3b2b l w
2b2c w l
2c1b l l
2a1a l w
2c1b l l
3c3a w l
3a2b l l
1b3a l l
1c2a l l
3b1b l l
3b1b l w
2c3a l l
2c3c l w
1c1c ww trigger
3c2a l l
1c1a w l w1-1 +18
3b3b w w trigger
2b3c l l
2c3b l l
3c3b w l w1-1 +19
1a1c w l
3b1c l l
2b3c l l
1b3a l l
2b3c l l
2a2a ww trigger
1b3c l l
1b3a l l
2b3b l w
1b1c w l w1-1 +20
1a3c l l
1b1c w l
2a2c w l
1b1b w w trigger
2c2b w l w1-1 +21
1b3b l w
3b3c w l
2b1b l w
2a3c l l
3c2a l l
1a3a lw
3a2b l l
3a1c l l
2b3b l w
2c1a l l
1b1b w w trigger
3c1a l l
1b1a w l w1-1 +22
2b3a l l
2a3a l w
3a2a l w
1c1a w l
1a1c w l
2c2c w w trigger
2a1c l l
1c1c w w L1-1
2b2b w w L2-2
3a2a l w
1b1c w l w3-3 +19 (up to 3-3)
3a3c w l
1a1c w l
3b2c l l
2a1c l l
3b3a w l
3b3b w w trigger
3a1c l l
3a2a l w
3c2c l w
3c3a w l
2a3a l w
3b3a w l w3-3 +22 (down to 1-1)
1c3a l l
3b1c l l
1b3c l l
3b2a l l
1b3a l l
1a2b l l
2c3c l w
2c3c l l
2b1a l l
2c3c l w
1b2c l l
3a2c l l
3b2c l l
3a1b l l
1a3b l l
3a2a l w
2a3b l l
1c2c l w
1b3b l w
2b1a l l
1b1a w l
2c2b w l
3a2a l w
1a2b l l
1b3b l w
2c2b w l
3a1c l l
1c2a l l
1a1a w w trigger
1a1a w w L1-1
3a3c w l w2-2 +22
3a3b w l
1b2b l w
2b3a l l
3a3c w l
2c1a l l
1c3b l l
3a1b l l
3c3c ww trigger
2b2b w w L1-1
2a3b l l
2a3c l l
1a2a l w
1c2b l l
3a2c l l
2b1a l l
2c2c ww L2-2
2a2b w l w3-3 +19 (up to 3-3)
2c2b w l
2c1a l l
1c2b l l
3b3b w w trigger
2c2b w l w3-3 +22 (down to 1-1)
1c1c w w trigger
2a2c w l w1-1 +23
3a3a w w trigger
2c3c l w
2c3b l l
1b2a l l
1a2a l w
2c2c w w L1-1
1b2a l l
3b1c l l
2a1b l l
2a3b l l
1a3b l l
3b2b l w
2b3b l w
2c2a w l w2-2 +23
3a2c l l
3c2b l l
2a2b w l
2b1c l l
1b3a l l
3b1c l l
1b2c l l
1c1b w l
3c1c l w
3c1b l l
1a3a l w
1c2c l w
1b1c w l
2c2a w l
3b1a l l
3a2a l w
1a1a w w trigger
2a2a w w L1-1
3b1c l l
2b2a w l w2-2 +23
3c1b l l
3c3b w l
2c2c w w trigger
2c2c w w L1-1
2b1a l l
1c3a l l
2b1a l l
1b1a w l w2-2 +23
1b3a l l
1a2c l l
2c2c ww trigger
2c3a l l
1a3b l l
3b1a l l
1b2a l l
3c3b w l w1-1 +24
3c2b w l
1c2b l l
1a2c l l
1a1b w l
2b3b l w
2a3a l w
1c2b l l
1b1b w w trigger
1b2c l l
2a2b w l w1-1 +25
3a3c w l
1b1c w l
1c1a w l
3c2c l w
2b1a l l
3b1c l l
2b3c l l
2c1b l l
2b1b l w
3b3b w w trigger
3c2a l l
1b2a l l
3a2a l w
1c3b l l
1b1b ww L1-1
1b3b l w
2b1b l w
1a1a w w L2-2
2c1c l w
2c1c l w
2b2a w l w3-3 +22 (up to 3-3)
1b2b l w
3b2a l l
3a2b l l
3c3b w l
1c3b l l
1b1a w l
2b1a l l
2c1a l l
2c1c l w
2c1c l w
3b2c l l
3a3c w l
1b2b l w
1b2a l l
2a3b l l
3c3b w l
2b1a l l
2b3b l w
3a2b l l
1c2b l l
3a2c l l
2c3b l l
1a2a l w
3b3b ww trigger
1b1c w l w3-3 +25 (down to 1-1)
2c3b l l
1a2c l l
1c1c w w trigger
1b3a l l
3c1c l w
3c1b l l
3b1b l w
1c1b w l w1-1 +26
2a2c w l
2c1a l l
3b1b l w
3c1b l l
2c1c l w
1b2b l w
1c3c l w
1a3b l l
3b3b w w trigger
1a3b l l
3c2b l l
1b2b l w
1b2b l w
1a2b l l
3a2b l l
1b2b l w
3b2c l l
3c3a w l w1-1 +27
3c2b l l
2a3a l w
1a2a l w
1a1b w l
1a3b l l
3b2b l w
2c2b w l
1a2c l l
1c1a w l
3c1a l l
2b2c w l
1b1a w l
3a2a l w
2b3b l w
2a2c w l
1a3b l l
2b3c l l
2b1b lw
1a2b l l
2b3b l w
3a2c l l
3c3b w l
3a2b l l
1c3a l l
3a1c l l
1c2a l l
2b1c l l
1b2b l w
1b2b l w
3b2a l l
2a1b l l
2c3b l l
2c2c ww trigger
1b2a l l
3c1c l w
2b3c l l
1a1b w l w1-1 +28
3a2b l l
1c3b l l
3c2a l l
2c2c ww trigger
2a2c w l w1-1 +29
1b1c w l
2a2b w l
2c1c l w
2b2c w l
3c2b l l
3c3a w l
1b3c l l
1c1b w l
3b1c l l
1c1b w l
3b3c w l
3a1b l l
1a2b l l
1c2b l l
2a1b l l
3c3a w l
2a2c w l
2b3a l l
1c1c ww trigger
3b2a l l
2c1c l w
3b2b l w
1c2a l l
3b2c l l
2a3c l l
2b2c w l w1-1 +30
1b1a w l
2c2b w l
1c2a l l
2a2a ww trigger
3a1c l l
3c2c l w
2b1b l w
1c3a l l
2b2b w w L1-1
1c2b l l
3b1a l l
1c3c l w
3a3c w l w2-2 +30
3a1a l w
1c2a l l
3a2b l l
1b1a w l
1b1c w l
1c1c w w trigger
3a1b l l
3a3c w l w1-1 +31
3c3b w l
3a2b l l
3a3b w l
2c1c l w
3c3c w w trigger
2a2a ww L1-1
3a1a l w
2a1a l w
2c2a w l w2-2 +31
1a2c l l
2b1c l l
3b2c l l
1b1a w l
1b2b l w
2b1b l w
2a1b l l
2c3b l l
3c2c l w
1a3c l l
2b2b ww trigger
2a2b w l w1-1 +31
3c2b l l
2c2a w l
3c3a w l
1a2a l w
3a3b w l
3b3a w l
1a2a l w
3c2c l w
3b3b w w trigger
1a3b l l
1c1b w l w1-1 +32
2c1a l l
3c2b l l
2a2c w l
3b1c l l
1b3a l l
2a3a l w
1a3b l l
1a1c w l
1a1b w l
3b2b l w
2b1a l l
1b3a l l
2c2a w l
2c1b l l
3c2a l l
3a2c l l
3a1c l l
2c2c ww trigger
2c3b l l
3c3c w w L1-1
2b3c l l
3b2a l l
3a3c w l w2-2 +32
1b3c l l
2c1c l w
3b1c l l
3c1c l w
1c3b l l
2a3a l w
1a3b l l
3c2a l l
1c3c lw
1c1a w l
2c2a w l
1b1a w l
3b3a w l
2c2b w l
3b2c l l
2b3b l w
2a1a l w
2b1c l l
2a1b l l
3c2a l l
2a1b l l
2c3b l l
2a1b l l
1a2c l l
1c3c l w
2c3a l l
3a2a l w
2c1b l l
1c3b l l
1c3a l l
1b1c wl
3b3c wl
2b3a l l
1c3a l l
3b1c l l
1c2b l l
2c3a l l
1b2b l w
3a1b l l
1c1c ww trigger
2a1c l l
2c3a l l
1a2c l l
1a2b l l
3b2a l l
3a1a l w
3a1c l l
3a1a l w
1c1a w l w1-1 +33
2a3c l l
2a3c l l
2c2b wl
3b3c wl
3a3a ww trigger
Might be safer with 2 triggers (with no intervening matches on the dozen element) before using standard 1-3-9-27 ??
Profit would be lower but on those results the highest step would be 3 (9-9)
A.
PS. Regarding the zero, I do not record it. Obviously best on nozero table
Atlantis, I think its time for me to reveal CODE V5. I think it's a virtual H.A.R GRAIL. Inspired by CODE 4 HORIZONTAL. And of course AMKs brilliant alternating concept. its back to the VERTICAL.
BUT in a different way. Its early days yet. But I have played 120 games and never been past step 3 of a 4 step progression. Classic 1.3.9.27.
I will present it later. Your idea to play only the second half of a four spin line makes all the difference. Delaying random breaks its flow. That's what CODE V5 does.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 08, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
Atlantis, I think its time for me to reveal CODE V5. I think it's a virtual H.A.R GRAIL. Inspired by CODE 4 HORIZONTAL. And of course AMKs brilliant alternating concept. its back to the VERTICAL.
BUT in a different way. Its early days yet. But I have played 120 games and never been past step 3 of a 4 step progression. Classic 1.3.9.27.
I will present it later. Your idea to play only the second half of a four spin line makes all the difference. Delaying random breaks its flow. That's what CODE V5 does.
Hi JL,
It's great you've been watching these ideas and I am very pleased indeed if they have helped in any way towards the formula and creation of your "CODEV5".
I'll look forward to seeing it on the forum soon.
Best regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on January 08, 2013, 02:44:37 PM
Hi JL,
It's great you've been watching these ideas and I am very pleased indeed if they have helped in any way towards the formula and creation of your "CODEV5".
I'll look forward to seeing it on the forum soon.
Best regards,
A.
Its simple Atlantis, but im still playing CODE 4 HORIZONTAL. what's been going through my mind is the brilliance of only playing half the grid.
People go on about randoms variance. Ebb and flow. They say its impossible to tame. To have any control over. I've never bought into that chain of thought.
Another one of my methods 7 on 1. isn't even being challenged live. But that has 242 units on the line. Thanks to you. CODE V5 looks capable of matching it. With less than a third at risk. You and Twister first helped me realize the vertical matrix concept 2 years ago.
It was strong but unplayable live. What I have now is something even stronger. But realistically playable live. So we go on. Through Twister, you Amk through myself. I think weve cracked it.
Hi JL,
Good news about 7on1. You should post that system here too.
Yes I will also still play CODE4-H. I sure do believe it can be profitable alright - in either of its two current forms!
If they both use the same amk alternation then maybe we can fuse CODE4-H and CODEV5, get more bets by playing them both together?
I'm lookin forward to the reveal of your system. :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on January 08, 2013, 03:45:32 PM
Hi JL,
Good news about 7on1. You should post that system here too.
Yes I will also still play CODE4-H. I sure do believe it can be profitable alright - in either of its two current forms!
If they both use the same amk alternation then maybe we can fuse CODE4-H and CODEV5, get more bets by playing them both together?
I'm lookin forward to the reveal of your system. :)
A.
7 On 1 is coming on Saturday Atlantis. Victor is designing me a tracker for it. that's why I've held off. He told me the tracker will be ready within this month.
I already play CODE 4 H and CODE V5 together Atlantis. If anyone can read between the lines and forge something even better. Its you Atlantis or possibly AMK. You are both brilliant testers and morphers of promising ideas.
I owe alot to both of you.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 08, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
7 On 1 is coming on Saturday Atlantis. Victor is designing me a tracker for it. that's why I've held off. He told me the tracker will be ready within this month.
I already play CODE 4 H and CODE V5 together Atlantis. If anyone can read between the lines and forge something even better. Its you Atlantis or possibly AMK. You are both brilliant testers and morphers of promising ideas.
I owe alot to both of you.
Ok. Good. In that case I will wait for you to post the CODEV5 and help in the testing.
A.
Here is my latest test of CODE4-H (using skakus reverse idea; double dozen)
A.
PS. Mistake in file - reposted.
SIMPLE CODE4-H on EC's
================
In its simplest form applied to even chances...
I use H/L and O/E
QUALIFYING PATTERNS:
HOH ? = bet E
LOL ? = bet E
HEH ? = bet O
LEL ? = bet O
Progression: 1-1-2 (reset)
H O H E w +1
L O L E w +2
L O L O L +1
H O L O
L E H E
H O L O
L O H O
H O L O
L E L E L +0
L E H O
H O H E w +2
L O H O
H O H O L +1
L O H E
L E H E
L O H O
H E L O
L E H O
L O H O
L O L O L +0
H E H O
L E L O w +2
H E H O L +1
H O L O
H E H E L +0
H O L O
H E L E
L O H E
L O H E
L E H E
H O L O
L O H O
H E H O w +2
H O L E
L E H E
H O H E w +3
L O H O
H O L E
L O L E w +4
==================
HOHO L -1
LOHO
LEHO
HELO
LELO w +0
LEHE
HOHE w +1
HEHO w +2
HELE
LELE L +1
HOLE
HELE
HEHE L +0
HELE
HELO
LEHO
LELO w +2
HOLE
HELO
LOLE w +3
HOLE
LOHE
LOHE
HEHO w +4
LEHO
HOHE w +5
HOLO
HEHE L +4
LELE L +3
HOLO
HOHE w +5
HOHO L +4
LOLO L +3
LOHE
LOLO L +1
LOLE w +2
LELE L +1
HOHE w +2
HELE
HELO
HOHE w +3
LOLO L +2
LOLE w +3
LELO w +4
HOLE
HEHO w +5
LELO w +6
HEHE L +5
HELE
LELO w +6
LOHO
LOHE
LOLO L +5
HEHE L +4
LEHO
==================
HEHE L-1
HOLO
HELE
LEHO
HELO
LEHO
LEHE
LEHE
HELE
LOLE w +0
LELE L-1
HELE
LOHE
LELO w +0
HOHE w +1
HELO
LELO w +2
HOLO
HELO
HELO
LEHO
HOHE w +3
HELO
LOHO
LEHE
LOLE w +4
LEHE
LEHO
LEHO
HOLO
LOHO
HOLE
LOHO
LEHE
LOHO
LEHO
HOHO L +3
LOHO
HOLO
LELE L +2
HEHE L +0
HELO
LEHO
LELO w +1
LEHE
LELE L +0
HELO
HEHO w +1
LOHE
LEHO
HEHO w +2
HELO
LOLO L +1
LELO w +2
LEHE
LOHO
LOLO L +1
HOLE
LOHE
HELE
In above examples
max run of L's = 3
max run of w's = 5
Quit when a few points ahead eg: +2 or +3...
A.
that is very dangerous around Christmas time, lots of HOHO's around :)) :)) :cheer: :cheer:
I like Sogget's name for Atlantis's simple Code 4 Horizontal on EC's.
Attached is "HOHO" Tracker/Tester for all those interested in testing this method further.
You can play this Manually by simply choosing the "Manual" sheet in the lower left corner of Excel or you can use the RNG sheet for quickly testing various Profit Targets and Stop Loss as well as changing the Progressions Levels.
Cheers . . .
Nick & Stef (2 wild and crazy Excel guys)
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL* FOR 12/01/2013
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 250
TOTAL GAMES WON 250
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 250/0
BALANCE 458 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WAIT FOR A WINNER STEP 7 OF THE PROGRESSION...
Having now adopted the 6 loss trigger and 10 step progression. This method remains unchallenged after 250 games. The most I have been pushed in the last 100 games is to step 6 of the progression 5 times. And step 7 once. Step 7 is shown in the
example below. Another interesting observation recorded over these 250 games. Is how solid a single vertical line is.
Over that sample of games. Its never gone more than 10 deep without a match on either line. I think the winning potential of this method played H.A.R could be off the chart. All things considered. With only 53--65 wins required to recover a progression. Its going to work.
LL
LL
LL---6 LOSS TRIPPLE TRIGGER
LL
LL
LL
W------WIN ON STEP 7 OF THE 10 STEP PROGRESSION.
I have to give high praise to AMK and Atlantis. For making this gem possible. :cheer: :cheer:
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
W----The longest its taken either line to hit a match. Food for thought indeed... :cheer:
Quote from: Nickmsi on January 11, 2013, 08:00:34 PM
I like Sogget's name for Atlantis's simple Code 4 Horizontal on EC's.
Attached is "HOHO" Tracker/Tester for all those interested in testing this method further.
You can play this Manually by simply choosing the "Manual" sheet in the lower left corner of Excel or you can use the RNG sheet for quickly testing various Profit Targets and Stop Loss as well as changing the Progressions Levels.
Cheers . . .
Nick & Stef (2 wild and crazy Excel guys)
Thanks to the "excel guys" for this fun and handy tracker with the various options.
A.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 12, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL* FOR 12/01/2013
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 250
TOTAL GAMES WON 250
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 250/0
BALANCE 458 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WAIT FOR A WINNER STEP 7 OF THE PROGRESSION...
:cheer:
Thanks JL for the results update of the CODE4-H ORIGINAL. Impressive. 458u is a nice 'n' tidy profit and you can be sure I'll be playing more games soon and reporting back on my progress...
A.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 12, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Another interesting observation recorded over these 250 games. Is how solid a single vertical line is.
Over that sample of games. Its never gone more than 10 deep without a match on either line. I think the winning potential of this method played H.A.R could be off the chart. All things considered. With only 53--65 wins required to recover a progression. Its going to work.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
W----The longest its taken either line to hit a match. Food for thought indeed... :cheer:
I took a look at atlantis last sample with dozens and colums, i stopped counting after 12 times it went over 10 spins, the longest being 21 so don't hold your breath there
impresive results non the less
6L's as trigger and 10 steps progression, think it could be played without H.A.R? would it stand its ground?
Hi soggett,
JL and myself are playing it as described in this post. (John uses a slightly different 10-step progression to mine)
http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn/code-4-horizontal/msg6128/#msg6128 (http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn/code-4-horizontal/msg6128/#msg6128)
A.
Simple code4-h on EC (h/l and o/e) result for 13 JAN
HEHO
LOLO L -1
LELE L -2
HELE
LOHE
HOLE
LOLE W +0
HEHO W +1
LEHO
HOHO L +0
HOLE
LEHE
HOLE
LELE L -1
LOHE
HELE
LOHE
HOHO L -3
LELE L -4
LOLE W -3
LEHO
LOHE
HEHO W -2
HOHE W -1
LOLE W +0
HOHE W +1
LOHO
LELO W +2
HOLE
LOHO
HOLO
HEHO W +3
LOHO
HOLO
HELE
HOLE
LOLE W +4
LELE L +3
HELO
HELO
LELE L +2
HEHO W +4
LOHO
LOHO
HOLE
LOLO L +3
LELO W +4
LOLE W +5
LELO W +6
HOHO L +5
A.
Here is demonstrated same idea reduced to a CODE 2:
Play after 2 virtual L's in a row...
Bet patterns:
HE
H?---bet O
HO
H?---bet E
LE
L?---bet O
LO
L?---bet E
Progression: 1-1-2 (reset)
HE
LE
HO
LO
LE
HE
LE
HO
HO L
LE
LO w
HE
LO
LO L
LE
HE
LE
HO
HO L trigger
HO L-1
HE w+1 +0
HO w
LO
LO L
LE w
LE L
HE
LE
LE L trigger
HE
HO w+1 +1
LE
LO w
LE w
HE
HO w
LE
HO
HO L
HO L trigger
HO L-1 +0
LE
LE L-1 -1
HE
HO w+2 +1
LE
LE L
LE L trigger
LO w+1 +2
HE
HO w
LE
LO w
HE
HO w
HO L
LE
LE L trigger
LO w+1 +3
LE w
LE L
HO
LO
HE
HE L trigger
HO w+1 +4
HO L
HE w
LO
LE w
HO
HE w
LO
HO
LE
LO w
HO
LE
LO w
HO
HO L
LO
HE
HO w
LO
HO
HO L
LO
HE
LO
HO
LE
LO w
LE w
LE L
LE L trigger
HE
LO
HE
LE
LE L-1 +3
LE L-1 +2
HE
HO w+2 +4
LO
HO
LO
HO
HO L
LE
LO w
LO L
LE
LO w
LO L
LE w
HE
LO
HO
HO L
LE
HO
HO L trigger
LE
LE L-1 +3
HE
LO
HO
HE w+1 +4
HE L
HE L trigger
HE L-1
HO w+1 +4
HO L
HO L trigger
LO
LE w+1 +5
LE L
LE L trigger
HO
HO L-1 +4
HE w+1 +5
LE
LE L
LO w
HE
HE L
LE
LO w
LO L
LE w
LO w
+5
===================
HE
LE
HO
LO
LE
HE
LE
HO
HO L
LE
LO w
HE
LO
LO L
LE
HE
LE
HO
HO L trigger
HO L-1 -1
HE w+1 +0
HO w
LO
LO L
LE w
LE L
HE
LE
LE L
HE
HO w+1
LE
LO w
LE w
HE
HO w
LE
HO
HO L
HO L trigger
HO L-1 -1
LE
LE L-1 -2
HE
HO w+2 +0
LE
LE L
LE L trigger
LO w+1 +1
HE
HO w
LE
LO w
HE
HO w
HO L
LE
LE L trigger
LO w+1 +2
LE
LE L
HO
LO
HE
HE L trigger
HO w+1 +3
HO L
HE w
LO
LE w
HO
HE w
LO
HO
LE
LO w
HO
LE
LO w
HO
HO L
LO
HE
HO
LO
HO
HO L trigger
LO
HE
LO
HO
LE
LO w+1 +4
LE w
LE L
LE L trigger
HE
LO
HE
LE
LE L-1 +3
LE L-1 +2
HE
HO w+2 +4
LO
HO
LO
HO
HO L
LE
LO w
LO L
LE w
LO w
LO L
LE w
HE
LO
HO
HO L
LE
HO
HO L trigger
LE
LE L-1 +3
HE
LO
HO
HE w+1 +4
HE L
HE L trigger
HE L-1 +3
HO w+1 +4
HO L
HO L trigger
LO
LE w+1 +5
LE
LE L
HO
HO L trigger
HE
LE
LE L-1 +4
LO w+1 +5
HE
HE L
LE
LO w
LO L
LE w
LO w
+5
A.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 HORIZONTAL
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 300
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 300/0
BALANCE =550 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WAIT FOR A WIN STEP 9 OF 10.
Taken close to the edge for the first time in the last 50 games. But still doing nicely. Too early to get over excited about this method. But its the best single dozen method I've yet used.
42 of the last 50 games stayed inside the first 6 steps of the progression. Im very happy about this consistency.
Quote from: atlantis on January 17, 2013, 08:18:12 PM
Here is demonstrated same idea reduced to a CODE 2:
Play after 2 virtual L's in a row...
Bet patterns:
HE
H?---bet O
HO
H?---bet E
LE
L?---bet O
LO
L?---bet E
Progression: 1-1-2 (reset)
nice :thumbsup:
a lot faster
wonder how this will perform
Hi soggett,
Glad you like the code2-h for EC way...
I like it coz its easy to track and play with no big progressions.
Here is session I played on some dublinbet table actuals:
HE
HE L
LO
HE
LE
LE L
HO
LE
HE
LE
H0 (zero)
HE
LO
LE W+1
LE L
HE
LE
LE L
HE
LO
LE W+1
LE L
LE L
LE L-1
LE L-1
LO W+2
LE W
LE L
LO W
LE W
LE L
HO
HO L
LO
LE W+1
LO W
LE W
LE L
HO
LO
LE W
LE L
HE
HE L
HO W+1
LO
LO L
HO
HE W
LO
LE W
LO W
LE W
HO
LE
LE L
HE
HO W
LO
LE W
HE
HE L
LE
LO W
LE W
HE
LO
HO
HO L
HE W
LE
HO
HO L
LO
HO
HO L
LE
LE L-1
LE L-1
HO
LE
LO W+2
LO L
LE W
LE L
HO
LE
LO W
HE
HO W
LE
HE
LE
HE
L0 (zero)
HE
HE L
HE L
LO
HE
HO W+1
HO L
HE W
HO W
LO
LE W
LO W
HO
LO
HE
HO W
LO
LE W
HE
LO
HO
LE
HE
HO W
HE W
HO W
LO
LO L
LE W
LE L
HO
HO L
L0 (zero)
LO
HO
LE
LO W+1
LE W
HE
HO W
HE W
LE
LE L
HO
LE
HO
LE
LO W
LO L
HO
LE
HE
LO
LE W
LO W
LO L
HO
LE
LE L
LE L-1
HE
HO W+1
HE W
LE
HE
LE
HE
HE L
H0 (zero)
HO
HE W
LO
HE
LE
LE L
HO
L0 (zero)
LE
LE L
LE L-1
HE
HO W+1
HO L
LE
LE L
LO W+1
A.
Atlantis, I haven't read through the whole thread, but just wondered if you've ever lost the progression playing this?
Quote from: Bayes on January 24, 2013, 06:14:24 PM
Atlantis, I haven't read through the whole thread, but just wondered if you've ever lost the progression playing this?
Hi Bayes,
No. But taken to last step (10) twice in around 200 games now. JL has actually played more games than me. Coz of other stuff I haven't actually played/tested for a few days. Can take time to get bet triggers so needs time, patience and discipline...
A.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 HORIZONTAL FOR 25/01/2013
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 350
TOTAL GAMES WON 349
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 349/1
BALANCE=537 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 334 GAMES
Well I've suffered my first loss. There were two zeros involved in the losing game. But for a method that needs about 60 wins to recover a progression. 349/1 is very good indeed
Of the 349 wins 327 of them have been in the first 6 steps of the progression. Only taken to the last step of the progression twice, including the losing game.
And im not discouraged by this at all. I continue on.
Quote from: Atlantis on January 25, 2013, 09:00:09 AM
Hi Bayes,
No. But taken to last step (10) twice in around 200 games now. JL has actually played more games than me. Coz of other stuff I haven't actually played/tested for a few days. Can take time to get bet triggers so needs time, patience and discipline...
A.
Thanks Atlantis. Just to clarify, after a loss you continue up the progression, you DON'T wait for another trigger (as per 7-on-1), correct?
Quote from: Bayes on January 25, 2013, 03:46:18 PM
Thanks Atlantis. Just to clarify, after a loss you continue up the progression, you DON'T wait for another trigger (as per 7-on-1), correct?
Correct.
Because i had a request to implement a tracker with this system in my bot.
I also made one for the forum guys here :)
With the standard rule bet after LL LL LL trigger
Includes an RNG and Manual sheet (selectable at the bottom left)
Adjustable progression and stop win/loss target.
Pattern with Zero is ingored when it comes in.
Have fun
Stef & Nick
I did some quick test using Stef tracker and saw 25 L after series of 6 L as a trigger. So you went 31/0 in 1/3 chances bets.
In live play i saw 26 so far (1 dozen slept for 26 spins)
RH,
Just want to reply on what you said :)
I tested this also and got a maximum progression step of 15 (30 losses in a row) with the 6 L trigger.
But keep in mind that this is Excels RNG ;)
It doesn't produce the same results as real data or RNG casino's.
This is something Nick and me have found out while testing the bot with various systems.
I think the answer to this lies in the fact that excel uses 1 seed for generating all the numbers at once
and casino software takes another seed after X spins or uses the last spin as seed (Bayes maybe knows an answer to this)
This is why we always say use the RNG to test your settings and we use it to look if our formulas are correct.
You can offcourse use the RNG tracker to make settings to prepare for the worst :)
Use the manual tracker to input data from either what casino :thumbsup:
Stef
any 12 numbers sleeping?
89 spins
is what i have recorded.
But obviously those numbers can grow.
RNG (i think)
spins 1M = 42,41,85 (board,wheel,any 12numbers)
OneMillion = 40,39,84 (board,wheel,any 12numbers)
Live (i guess)
700k = 39,39,89 (board,wheel,any 12numbers)
3million = 43,45,89 (board,wheel,any 12numbers)
lol. got some problem uploading spins. will upload them in the evening.
Stef
Excel RNG might produce different results but there is no reason to expect different results from different combinations of 1/3 chances. Law of statistics shows that losing 10 times in a row 1/3 chance bet happens as often as seeing 10 spins sleeping dozen. Virtual triggers no matter how many won't change that. Some players will go 350/1 and some 350/10. ;D
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 HORIZONTAL FOR 31/01/2013
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 399
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 399/1
BALANCE= 625 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 334 GAMES
CURRENT WINNING STREAK 65 GAMES
This method continues to perform very consistently after the first loss. It reminds me of FIVE which I have started playing again. Longterm consistency is extremely important, We don't need a method to be invincible. We need it to make profit longterm. I am confident CODE 4 HORIZONTAL is such a method. :thumbsup: