.....aye that's pretty much it in a nutshell 

I play live with Speramus groups rules so it's only a max of 4 units a day on live wheel. Trying for more than 4 units in one day is too much of my time so I play it when I can. With the grinding results the BR will grow solidly. By Easter I'm hoping it'll be up near £800 with the solid BR in place to bet higher chips. It'll take me longer than playing 20 games a day like John, but by playing so infrequently I'm expecting to get a few decent win streaks going to grind out steady single unit wins until the BR is well up there.

Quote from: subby on November 16, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
.....aye that's pretty much it in a nutshell 

I play live with Speramus groups rules so it's only a max of 4 units a day on live wheel. Trying for more than 4 units in one day is too much of my time so I play it when I can. With the grinding results the BR will grow solidly. By Easter I'm hoping it'll be up near £800 with the solid BR in place to bet higher chips. It'll take me longer than playing 20 games a day like John, but by playing so infrequently I'm expecting to get a few decent win streaks going to grind out steady single unit wins until the BR is well up there.

Yes Subby, im thinking of going back to 5 games a day for bigger stakes. When I began PATTERN BREAKER 4 years

ago. I only played HIGH LOW. For 5 games a day.

Three times in the first 18 months I broke the 100 barrier in winning streaks. Since I have been playing 15---20 a day. I've never ever been past 40 live.

So there's definately something to this...

Update as of now.


Total games played  72


Total games won      63


Total games lost        9


Strike rate                 7/1


Double losses            0


Treble losses             0


Longest winning streak    19




Yes, I've clawed my way back to break even in only one week.


Onwards and upwards.


Trebor

Quote from: Trebor on November 16, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
Update as of now.


Total games played  72


Total games won      63


Total games lost        9


Strike rate                 7/1


Double losses            0


Treble losses             0


Longest winning streak    19




Yes, I've clawed my way back to break even in only one week.


Onwards and upwards.


Trebor

Trebor you should consider using my three level staking plan. To get you into profit faster and keep you there. So

even if your strikerate doesn't go to double figures overall you will still show a longterm profit.

pattern breaker money management thread here. If you play PB then read this... http://betselection.cc/mixed/pattern-4-money-management/msg850/#new

Itt's not pattern 4, just a typo from me in the title

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 16, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Trebor you should consider using my three level staking plan. To get you into profit faster and keep you there. So

even if your strikerate doesn't go to double figures overall you will still show a longterm profit.

Quote
LEVEL 1   1--2--4
LEVEL 2   2--4--8----YOUR STANDARD LEVEL
LEVEL 3   6--12--24

So you always start at level two. You stay there for 4 consecutive wins 8 units. Then drop to level one and stay there unitl you LOSE. IMMEDIATELY after that loss. You raise to level 3 for ONE GAME. Then drop back to level two and try and win another 4 games in a row then back to level 1 again.

I see.


But at the moment I'm just carrying out a personal test. I always understood that it's claimed that PB would win long term with the basic bet. Are you now saying that it won't without this money management?


Trebor

Quote from: Trebor on November 16, 2012, 11:21:58 PM
I see.


But at the moment I'm just carrying out a personal test. I always understood that it's claimed that PB would win long term with the basic bet. Are you now saying that it won't without this money management?


Trebor

Im saying to build up your confidence and get you in front especially playing BV. How are you dealing with moving the wheel Trebor? When you Win 15--20 games in a row a few times you pull in front. But PATTERN BREAKER played H.A.R with that MM system will be a sure winner longterm.

You've lost me there. What moving wheel? I'm playing on BV.


1st post in this topic, rules 1 to 4. Everything else is down as "options".


Trebor


PS I'm off to bed now

Quote from: Trebor on November 16, 2012, 11:51:17 PM
You've lost me there. What moving wheel? I'm playing on BV.


1st post in this topic, rules 1 to 4. Everything else is down as "options".


Trebor


PS I'm off to bed now

I mean you have to bet to make the wheel move, Night.

I think Robert plays on the no zero wheel JL

Sorry JL I see now. I was tired and just back from a night out if you know what I mean.

I'm playing BV single zero but as at the moment it's only pennies I take the simple expedient of "moving the wheel" by betting a single EC.  The total goes up and down a bit but I'm only interested in the result of the bets made on the triggers.

If I was betting larger amounts on BV single zero I would still use penny bets on the even chance to move on as it's simple.

Trebor

Quote from: Trebor on November 17, 2012, 08:38:24 AM
Sorry JL I see now. I was tired and just back from a night out if you know what I mean.

I'm playing BV single zero but as at the moment it's only pennies I take the simple expedient of "moving the wheel" by betting a single EC.  The total goes up and down a bit but I'm only interested in the result of the bets made on the triggers.

If I was betting larger amounts on BV single zero I would still use penny bets on the even chance to move on as it's simple.

Trebor

Okay thanks, yes I've struggled with that as I have to reach a certain target by the end of the year. Once im betting Euros it won't matter anymore. Cheers...

Quote from: Trebor on November 16, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
Update as of now.


Total games played  72


Total games won      63


Total games lost        9


Strike rate                 7/1


Double losses            0


Treble losses             0


Longest winning streak    19




Yes, I've clawed my way back to break even in only one week.


Onwards and upwards.


Trebor

An honest opinion of mine...if I may?

If that is 1 weeks games i.e. 7 days...then I think 10 games a day is slightly pushing it.  To get win streaks above 7:1 play less and build that BR up to a higher level before using higher unit stakes for less games. You can still get the same amount of money but you play less and have longer win streaks to bring the BR growth above the 7:1 ratio you have now.

Perhaps consider making a monthly plan?

120 games a month @ 4 games a day. A game is either a 1 unit win or a total loss. Going on a win loss ratio of 1:10/11 (from experience this isn't too far off the right one for the amount of games played each month) you can therefore assume you will get 110 wins and 10 losses. That is total loss of 70 from the units won...110...gives you 40 units profit for the month.

40 units for the Speramus trials is 40x£2= £80....

Imagine you did this religiously 4 games a day for a month....for 6 months.

That is £480 PLUS then add your starting bankroll and you're over £500.

That 500 gives you the cushion to then bet larger chip values...NOT larger amounts of chips...important distinction there! You could be betting £5 chips then

if you take the 40 units won each month as shown above....but this time multiply it by £5 value....that's £200 grinded out month in ...month out.

Personally, for me, the moral of the Pattern Breaker tale is ......LESS(games)...IS MORE (money) 

LONG term view of the game here folks...LONG TERM

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 16, 2012, 07:43:29 PM


So what I would do live in a real B&M casino is play three games on three different tables. BREAK THE CYCLE. Online live I will also swap between tables or airball.

I understand, so basically ducking and diving..! :-)  However, if for example I wanted to play at one live wheel only, in that case what would you consider a safe break from the table..?