John, I know you have started to bet all three EC's in one session pilot style, is this exceeding your expectation or do you still think the original one win per session is better/safer..??

Quote from: topcat888 on November 18, 2012, 04:13:25 PM
John, I know you have started to bet all three EC's in one session pilot style, is this exceeding your expectation or do you still think the original one win per session is better/safer..??

Topcat its too soon to know. Im currently 14/1.. My normal way holds 10/1. But its stood the test ot time. Over 6,000 games. The only thing that's surprised me is red and black. 45 straight wins is something.

 RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 18/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 66

TOTAL GAMES WON 60

TOTAL GAMES LOST 6

STRIKERATE 10/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37

Hi Guys,
I thought it was about time I posted some results. Got off to a great start won the first 3 games and had a loss. Then went on to win 37 games in a row. Because I was testing to start I only played with £1 units but as it was going so well I increased to £5 units. Then I started to get more losses and only got back in profit yesterday.
I have 2 losses on each of the EC's making 6 and 2 of these included a zero in one of the 3 bets.

I will post another update in a few days.

Shogun.

Quote from: shogun on November 19, 2012, 05:14:50 AM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 18/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 66

TOTAL GAMES WON 60

TOTAL GAMES LOST 6

STRIKERATE 10/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37

Hi Guys,
I thought it was about time I posted some results. Got off to a great start won the first 3 games and had a loss. Then went on to win 37 games in a row. Because I was testing to start I only played with £1 units but as it was going so well I increased to £5 units. Then I started to get more losses and only got back in profit yesterday.
I have 2 losses on each of the EC's making 6 and 2 of these included a zero in one of the 3 bets.

I will post another update in a few days.

Shogun.

Nice work Shogun, that's a typical breakdown for PB. Was the winning streak  combined between two even chances or all three.?


Also how many games are you playing per day, and are they live or RNG.?


Yes don't try to lift off too fast. Optional, when you have say 50 points profit in the pot. Start playing a recovery bet.


By doubling or trebling stakes for one game straight after a loss. That will increase your profit margin more rapidly.


I've said this a long time, the REAL POWER of this method isn't the pure strikerate which can fluctuate from 5/1 right up to 20/1.


Its the RECOVERY BET. which is very solid. I've averaged 75/1 over nearly 6,200 games.

Hi John,

The winning streak was all 3 EC's combined. I am playing 3-10 games a day all on playtech live tables. I switch between Aphrodite and Vesta tables.
I have been thinking about a recovery bet or maybe playing the 2 EC's with a 6 step progression and playing for a one unit win.

Shogun.

I have just began tracking my results. I record each game in a excel file.




I played forty games this weekend


playing between live tables at william hill, and at betvoyager on the zero and no zero tables.




Out of the forty played games, 3 of of those game lost on first round , which took me to the 2nd round of betting where I recovered my loss, plus more winnings.


 
round 1 wins       round 2 wins


H/L   18                       3
E/0   15
zero   3


So basically that is a first round strike rate of 13/1
I cover zero on every bet.

Quote from: shogun on November 19, 2012, 07:45:48 AM
Hi John,

The winning streak was all 3 EC's combined. I am playing 3-10 games a day all on playtech live tables. I switch between Aphrodite and Vesta tables.
I have been thinking about a recovery bet or maybe playing the 2 EC's with a 6 step progression and playing for a one unit win.

Shogun.

Thanks Shogun yes I know those tables. Betfred run them to my knowledge. I wouldn't play two even chances like that just yet.

What I do is something like this.

BET 1=2--4--8

BET 2=6--12--24

So you aim to recover about half your loss. I also favour this for HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN LIVE. Its been very strong with those two. I wouldn't recommend it on one of them and RED BLACK. Which live is the weakest of the three.

At BV RED BLACK is the strongest at the moment. But RNG may not be affected by the layout of the wheel so much. yes 3--10 max is a good number per day. PLAY ON!

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 19, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
I have just began tracking my results. I record each game in a excel file.




I played forty games this weekend


playing between live tables at william hill, and at betvoyager on the zero and no zero tables.




Out of the forty played games, 3 of of those game lost on first round , which took me to the 2nd round of betting where I recovered my loss, plus more winnings.


 
round 1 wins       round 2 wins


H/L   18                       3
E/0   15
zero   3


So basically that is a first round strike rate of 13/1
I cover zero on every bet.

Nice stats BC, Like Subby you are staying with HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN. They are the strongest of the three from my records.

There are many ways you could money manage PB. For example its unusual to have all three even chances win on the first step of the progression.

So if your first bet wins on the first step. Its likely one of the other two won't. Twister was only playing the 2nd and 3rd steps of the progression.

To do this PURELY game to game would of course require more PATIENCE. But it would only put 3 units on the chopping block as opposed to 7. Making recovery much easier. The third step of the progression (4 UNITS) is the costly part.

That's another option to think about. I personally have always played the full three steps. With HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN Live. And relied on the solid hold of the recovery bet if my first bet lost.

As Subby is doing I only play for one win per session normaly. And that has brought me a solid 10/1 over 4 years.

On BV im playing close to what Pilot was doing to see if his extraordinary 12 month strikerate was anywhere near possible. But I use recovery there too because I have targets to achieve.

Quote from: shogun on November 19, 2012, 05:14:50 AM



start I only played with £1 units but as it was going so well I increased to £5 units. Then I started to get more losses and only got back in profit yesterday.

This is the key point of correct money management and PATIENCE..you jumped the gun too far too quick. Stick to something like...

Ideally you need a BR of 140 to bet £1 units (20 times a total loss of 7 units betting £1 units)

When you hit a BR of £280 ........................You can then move up to £2 units
When you hit a BR of £420 ........................You can then move up to £3 units
When you hit a BR of £560 ........................You can then move up to £4 units
When you hit a BR of £700 ........................You can then move up to £5 units

When you have a BR of 20 times a loss you should really ever be down in money ever again and be able to take out 20 units a month without fear of losing everything 

Just my thoughts mate 


no matter if those units are £2 units...or....my goal...£20 units (  ...Taking out 20 units when they are each worth £20 is the pot at the end of the rainbow for me ) you are still only taking out 20 units each month...month in ...month out...no matter the money value of those units...20units is still just 20 units.

Have a UNIT MINDSET when playing and only think about money at the end of the month when you go to my flow chart

Quote from: subby on November 19, 2012, 09:56:53 AM

This is the key point of correct money management and PATIENCE..you jumped the gun too far too quick. Stick to something like...

Ideally you need a BR of 140 to bet £1 units (20 times a total loss of 7 units betting £1 units)

When you hit a BR of £280 ........................You can then move up to £2 units
When you hit a BR of £420 ........................You can then move up to £3 units
When you hit a BR of £560 ........................You can then move up to £4 units
When you hit a BR of £700 ........................You can then move up to £5 units

When you have a BR of 20 times a loss you should really ever be down in money ever again and be able to take out 20 units a month without fear of losing everything 

Just my thoughts mate 

Subbys money management plan is perfection. You always risk in relation to your overall POWERBASE. I personally use 25 x my risk for PB. But I have a recovery bet too so that makes sense.

Patience is the key here and mantra #1 for me.

If you build a house too quickly(play lots of games daily) then you'll not have put down sufficiently strong foundations (bankroll) so when a storm(loss) comes then your house could fall down or be badly damaged.

Patience is the key and we should all be taking efforts to try and move away from the "make money fast" mindset.

As I've said before if you just take care of the units...the unit values will take care of your bankroll for you.

That should be the mindset of anyone who plays Pattern Breaker.

Unit wins are the key here, not the VALUE OF THE UNITS

Mindset should be a 20 unit grind each month regardless of what values those units are.

We all need to become godam unit grinding casino destroying robots 

If a pirhana (unit won) bites a whale(casino) it'll not do much damage...if that pirhana takes multiple small bites out over months...and grows(grow your banroll) up to be a bigger fish and bigger mouth (unit value increases) where it's taking larger bites(higher unit values) from the whale...then that whale will eventually have lumps chomped out of it to the point where serious damage is being made (large withdrawals)

It is growing that wee fish up to a point where the teeth(method of playing) lets it take larger bites....grow your deadly little fish slowly and watch it bite ever harder and deadlier for you 

Quote from: subby on November 19, 2012, 11:04:44 AM
That should be the mindset of anyone who plays Pattern Breaker.

Unit wins are the key here, not the VALUE OF THE UNITS

Mindset should be a 20 unit grind each month regardless of what values those units are.

We all need to become godam unit grinding casino destroying robots 

If a pirhana (unit won) bites a whale(casino) it'll not do much damage...if that pirhana takes multiple small bites out over months...and grows(grow your banroll) up to be a bigger fish and bigger mouth (unit value increases) where it's taking larger bites(higher unit values) from the whale...then that whale will eventually have lumps chomped out of it to the point where serious damage is being made (large withdrawals)

It is growing that wee fish up to a point where the teeth(method of playing) lets it take larger bites....grow your deadly little fish slowly and watch it bite ever harder and deadlier for you 

That's how its done, but now find 10,000 people who can do this. That was my argument with someone who owns another forum.

He didn't want to even acknowledge that, so skirted around it with the same lame argument you will always get from his kind of thinking. Its like what I intend to do with 200 units next year. You don't try to double it in one session. You try to

grow in relation to your powerbase. And if you can even grow it by 2.5% on average for the vast majority of the sessions you play in a year. Lets say 200. You will be one happy player by years end.

The players who try to turn 200 points into 400 points (THE VAST MAJORITY) Are the ones who will more than likely get wiped out at some point. Join a forum. And say no, no it can't be done. I didn't do it so neither will you. And that's where we stand on these forums. the majority hold negative thoughts about any hope of beating the game with negative expectancy.

Their days of listening and putting the work in are long gone. They can not see success because their own ego won't allow it. For them to see it can be done. They must also admit they didn't know it all, and were going about it the wrong way. And that's where the problem lies.

If there are even 5,000 human beings on this planet that can think an play like a Subby, Chauncy47. And myself. I will be absolutely astounded. Because I know how hard that kind of resolve, discipline and staying power is to find within yourself.

You are always fighting the twin demons GREED   and IMPATIENCE   Will this ever change overall? NEVER!!

My records up to date, are as follows...


High/Low...   Won 84.... Lost 6     Strike rate 14/1

Red/Black...   Won 80... Lost 9     Strike rate  8.8/1

Odd/Even...   Won 40...  Lost 4     Strike rate 10/1

Total Games  Won 204... Lost  19...   Average Strike Rate  10.7/1...

Playing "thepilot way", which i have been ( but 25,50,100 progression) my winnings are as follows...

Won 204 games x £ 25.00 = £ 5100.00..
Lost 19 games x 175 total progression =  £ 3325.00       Total Profit  £ 1775.00

I played 223 games , which works out about 7 games a day for a month.  So playing "thepilot" way can be profitable. To be honest i have had a week off work, and been playing more games a day. Before that week off, my strike rate was better, so i believe more money would of been won if i carried on playing 4-6 games a day only!

During my games , i have seen all 3 triggers ( H/L ..R/B .. O/E..) all hit at the same time in one game ... I picked to play 2 of em, and both won.

I have'nt seen a game where 7 patterns formed after 21 spins yet, but im sure it will one day.

Quote from: Tarantino on November 19, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
My records up to date, are as follows...


High/Low...   Won 84.... Lost 6     Strike rate 14/1

Red/Black...   Won 80... Lost 9     Strike rate  8.8/1

Odd/Even...   Won 40...  Lost 4     Strike rate 10/1

Total Games  Won 204... Lost  19...   Average Strike Rate  10.7/1...

Playing "thepilot way", which i have been ( but 25,50,100 progression) my winnings are as follows...

Won 204 games x £ 25.00 = £ 5100.00..
Lost 19 games x 175 total progression =  £ 3325.00       Total Profit  £ 1775.00

I played 223 games , which works out about 7 games a day for a month.  So playing "thepilot" way can be profitable. To be honest i have had a week off work, and been playing more games a day. Before that week off, my strike rate was better, so i believe more money would of been won if i carried on playing 4-6 games a day only!

During my games , i have seen all 3 triggers ( H/L ..R/B .. O/E..) all hit at the same time in one game ... I picked to play 2 of em, and both won.

I have'nt seen a game where 7 patterns formed after 21 spins yet, but im sure it will one day.

Hi Tarantino. Congrats on your results. You are doing very well. Your breakdowns for each even chance are very close to mine.

Well im happy that three or four players on here now are showing similar results to me. So people arent all saying well it works for him. But we can't win toffee.

Those are the people who play 20 games lose 3 or 4 and dismiss the method and me. Then sneer at anything positive I post about it and my results. Well done again. You stake five times more than I do Tarantino. I think its about time I raised lol!