Ralph,


You may be right, but I was just stating my personal view, I feel more comfortable playing live.


malcop

I can understand that, in the sense of we have different feelings, no logic here, we do that we feel comfortabele with, and like.Game is ambient as well.

Quote from: malcop on November 26, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
Ralph,


You may be right, but I was just stating my personal view, I feel more comfortable playing live.


malcop

My concern isn't whether the RNG is fair or not. But does it remain fair when you are risking serious money.

Even going from pennies to euros. Something feels a bit different. Im prepared to put my 200 euro on the line to find out once and for all.

There is a certain win to loss ratio that should be maintained. My experience tells me what to expect. If I don't see those things over a couple of hundred games. I know something is wrong.

While playing fot pennies everything has been as it should be. The occasional 12 plus

streak followed by two or three closer losses.


Since I moved up im running at 19/3. With the longest winning streak 6 games. that's quite alright. I get periods like that LIVE too.


But it can't or shouldnt stay like that. At some point soon I expect at least 10 wins in a


row. Amazingly when I was playing pennies. I had winning streaks of 32 and 47. So if I don't see at least a 12 or 15. in the next 100 games. Ill know something is definately wrong.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 26, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
My concern isn't whether the RNG is fair or not. But does it remain fair when you are risking serious money.

Even going from pennies to euros. Something feels a bit different. Im prepared to put my 200 euro on the line to find out once and for all.

There is a certain win to loss ratio that should be maintained. My experience tells me what to expect. If I don't see those things over a couple of hundred games. I know something is wrong.

While playing fot pennies everything has been as it should be. The occasional 12 plus

streak followed by two or three closer losses.


Since I moved up im running at 19/3. With the longest winning streak 6 games. that's quite alright. I get periods like that LIVE too.


But it can't or shouldnt stay like that. At some point soon I expect at least 10 wins in a


row. Amazingly when I was playing pennies. I had winning streaks of 32 and 47. So if I don't see at least a 12 or 15. in the next 100 games. Ill know something is definately wrong.

I have heard that before, the casino is fair as long I am winning!

Ralph

Is that avatar you?  Or who?

Sam

Quote from: Ralph on November 26, 2012, 05:14:53 PM

I have heard that before, the casino is fair as long I am winning!

Its not about winning, its about breakdowns.


When Im done on BV. The next phase is LIVE play. Then you can all make a comparison. Subbys already doing it on PADDYPOWER.

Quote from: malcop on November 26, 2012, 02:39:08 PM
I used to play on BV a lot, after a people saying it is one of the bet RNG casinos out there, but I do not now and do not intend to any-time soon, I have tried lots of different methods/systems, playing roulette and baccarat, even when you think you are doing well, it always comes to the same point, when no matter what you seem to do your method/system keeps on losing, it is almost like you are being sucked in.


I would then go back to live play and the method/system performs a lot better, please do not get me wrong, I know you can play a method/system on live and have lots of good sessions, then followed by a lot of losing ones, but I am 100% sure it happens a lot more if I play on RNG.


Are they cheating I don't know, but answer this why is it when you are blocked on playing live dealers on sites such as William Hill, they recommend you play on their RNG platforms.


They obviously think you have no long-term chance of coming out ahead playing RNG.


I think playing any type of RNG game is no better than playing the slot machines, and can't understand why anyone would want to play RNG for serious money.


Thanks


malcop

Most people interpret it this way as a sort of confirmation bias that RNG is rigged. Lets assume that you discovered a dealer signature if there was any on a live wheel. Maybe they don't want to take any chances with you. There could be lots of reasons. So far the main culprit seems to be William Hill but there are people that never had any problems with it.
RNG is just a better business for any casino because of turnover. They should offer big bonuses for players who want only to play on RNG 

I don't have a problem with William Hill, been with William Hill in one form or other for over 30 years now, in fact I'm playing a live dealer session on WH right now, I did not say my views on RNG was totally logical, just that after playing RNG over a number of years, I now prefer Live dealer only.


I started playing RNG way back in 2004 or maybe sooner not sure now been so long, played exclusively RNG on Roulette, Baccarat & Blackjack, so I have had a lot experience playing RNG on multiple gaming platforms.


My long RNG playing experience has bought me to the view that for me at least live play is better, as I said before I know others say there is no difference and maybe they are right, but I am more comfortable playing Live dealer now days.


malcop

hi. John


I'm just home for school.



I was betting 5,10,20 euro


and then for recover i bet 20, 40, 80




  On BV I went from not being able to lose.... bringing account from 170 euro up to 550,
Tho to be clear I was not hit and run exactly.
I was playing between 3 different RNG tables, I would play one RNG, close  it down , and then start a new game on different RNG.


two days ago, I played about 15 to 20 games and then ran into a double loss.
So I shutdown for the day, start the next day and I got a double loss on my second session.


I will probably try again and go for a pure hit and run...
because like I say I was truly pushing my luck for the amount games I was playing
but for me, It is a learning experience!

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 27, 2012, 05:09:07 AM
hi. John


I'm just home for school.



I was betting 5,10,20 euro


and then for recover i bet 20, 40, 80




  On BV I went from not being able to lose.... bringing account from 170 euro up to 550,
Tho to be clear I was not hit and run exactly.
I was playing between 3 different RNG tables, I would play one RNG, close  it down , and then start a new game on different RNG.


two days ago, I played about 15 to 20 games and then ran into a double loss.
So I shutdown for the day, start the next day and I got a double loss on my second session.


I will probably try again and go for a pure hit and run...
because like I say I was truly pushing my luck for the amount games I was playing
but for me, It is a learning experience!

Okay B.C that explains a bit. I will see how things go over the first 200 games at my higher level. I've lost the last two first games of the day on ODD EVEN. I would not expect to lose a third time like that.


We will see later. 

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 27, 2012, 05:09:07 AM

I will probably try again and go for a pure hit and run...
because like I say I was truly pushing my luck for the amount games I was playing
but for me, It is a learning experience!

I think you'll find it's the BV computers that are doing the learning..!   

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 27, 2012, 01:37:16 PM
Okay B.C that explains a bit. I will see how things go over the first 200 games at my higher level. I've lost the last two first games of the day on ODD EVEN. I would not expect to lose a third time like that.


We will see later. 

How do you tell a person that their attributing meaning from randomness is so off course that reality appears far fetched? We are actually watching people discuss the quality of hit and run as if there were clues as to when that actually is beneficial. Imagine that on Tuesdays hit and run is more intuitive if you have a favorite silver dollar in the bottom of your right shoe. If you wait long enough the casino will give up its rewards, but if you wait the wrong length it won't. 

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 27, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
How do you tell a person that their attributing meaning from randomness is so off course that reality appears far fetched? We are actually watching people discuss the quality of hit and run as if there were clues as to when that actually is beneficial. Imagine that on Tuesdays hit and run is more intuitive if you have a favorite silver dollar in the bottom of your right shoe. If you wait long enough the casino will give up its rewards, but if you wait the wrong length it won't.

No that's not it at all Giz, there are certain benchmarks that are clean cut for me with PB. Whether I play 5.30 in the morning or 5.30 in the evening makes no difference.

What true random is able to show me does. And You don't lose the first game of your day three days in a row. You just don't with PB. And I didn't. But I lost the second. BV is not giving me the strikerate it was.

When I was playing at a lower level. But im still profitting albeit at a slower pace than I want. I am currently 30/5. Or 6/1 at my new higher level. That means if I was betting at the one level 1--2--4. I would now be 5 points negative. But im currently 9 points plus. Because im responding to the losses.

The one thing that's holding up is the expected solid hold of the follow up bet. And LIVE its always got me through periods where the strikerate dropped below break even point.

But there has to be a point where longer winning streaks 10 plus resume. Such as Subby experiences on a real wheel. That definately has to come GIZ not maybe. This is what I talk of with knowing how things should breakdown.

And that's why I don't hope to win with PB. I expect to win. 

Hey everyone

Just givin a BVNZ update and Im OUT !

As soon as I increased my stakes BVNZ killed me. I didn't lose my BR but I lost a chunk of change

I've been playing my own version of PB and after checking with Bayes about odds etc I set about playing

After 80 spins or so BV dealt me a combination that has a 0.05% chance of happening or odds of 2,187/1 of happening

I have said this before, so I have only myself to blame but, for me, BV changes when you increase  your stake.

It has nice things like speed and No Zero

However, now, EVERY time I increase stakes it kills me

Im not a sore loser Im just very aware it happens too often for it not to be suspect


Anyway I've taken my money from BV and am now 100% at Paddypower

Its slower and more boring but whatever happens I know it to be Pure


Like I said I have only myself to blame as I've said this before over the Years. This time Im NOT going back

JL -" The one thing that's holding up is the expected solid hold of the follow up bet. And LIVE its always got me through periods where the strikerate dropped below break even point."

I've already proved that many double and triple loss sessions will occur in a sequence that just kills. That's including the use of hit and run. At some point you are going to have to wise up. This is nothing more than a three step Marti. Having a clever moment on when to use it actually changes nothing.   Have a much better way to select when to use it. I'll explain that in another thread.