John Legend said: "Red black indeed is the weaker of the three even chances."

The wheel and ball have no idea what
color the pockets are. All the pockets are R/B
O/E and H/L at the same time. Could you elaborate
on how R/B could be 'weaker' than the other two
even chances?

Thanks

Look at the wheel layout for all 3 methods of PB

HIGH/LOW - the wheel is HLHLHL but with a change where you get two of the same then reverts to LHLHLH

EVEN/ODD - the wheel is EEOOEEOOEEOO

RED/BLACK - the wheel is a uniform RBRBRBRBRBRB the whole way

I think this is a factor in leaving out R/B betting and focusing on the other two methods where you have a different uniformity on the wheel

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 28, 2012, 05:05:03 AM

Hi. john


In a few days I will continue with playing PB at BV
Tho I will play less aggressively, I know I pushed PB  to its limits at  BV and it bit back!
That is fine !  It is learning experience, Some may say learning the hard way, but for me I have to try it, and see for it my own eyes.


For now I will just play live, BV was to tempting to just keep playing.


learning the game for me  is similar to my welding career, you have try things any number of ways. even purposely doing things wrong so you, can understand why and how things are the way they are.

Bc the main thing is you know you can win with this. If I win 200 euro on BV. I will gaurd it preciously.

I think there's no question its harder to win betting 20 euro stakes instead of 20p stakes. I've been thinking why does a company like BV let you bet pennies when another company BET365 has a minumum bet of £5 on their RNG for the outside bets.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 03:38:35 AM
I don't think that BV cheated anyone. I think that fundamentalist Pattern Breaker players came up with another magical explanation for another normal random occurrence.

Giz that's not what we are talking about here. A method that delivers 10/1--12/1 playing for pennies. Suddenly starts delivering 6/1 playing for Euros. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Because I have played this method more than anyone else, I have seen randoms ebb and flow over a large sample.

Yes it can draw down to 5/1--6/1. BUT IT NEVER STAYS THERE.

I will repeat, IT NEVER STAYS THERE. So, If I never see a winning streak of 10 or more games. When playing for pennies I was getting streaks over 30.

There is definately something wrong. Look at what SUBBY is getting playing on a fair live wheel.

That's all you have to do. he gets streaks of 5 and 7. BUT, also 13. And is currently 15 plus.

Exactly what I've experienced over the last 4 years.

And exactly why I argue these points with you in the first place. EXPERIENCE is priceless.

This goes back to what I have said in previous posts, "I feel more comfortable playing live dealer only"


May be RNG is too random if there is such a thing as been too random 

Quote from: malcop on November 28, 2012, 01:38:25 PM
This goes back to what I have said in previous posts, "I feel more comfortable playing live dealer only"


May be RNG is too random if there is such a thing as been too random 

Or maybe its not random enough Malcop, LOL that's the other possibility. Either way.

I will do everything I can to beat it over the next two months. it's a challenge.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 28, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
I've been thinking why does a company like BV let you bet pennies when another company BET365 has a minumum bet of £5 on their RNG for the outside bets.

The devils advocate in me says that you could win 6/10 even money bets playing pennies and the guy betting £5 wins 4/10. That makes it a 50/50 game.

The casino get rich and the players betting pennies think they are going to get rich and start betting £5.....you know the rest. 

Of course I could be completely wrong and hope I am.

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 01:47:12 PM

The devils advocate in me says that you could win 6/10 even money bets playing pennies and the guy betting £5 wins 4/10. That makes it a 50/50 game.

The casino get rich and the players betting pennies think they are going to get rich and start betting £5.....you know the rest. 

Of course I could be completely wrong and hope I am.

I will answer that over the next 8 weeks. What if you don't raise to 5 pounds. Just grind out the wins at a lower level?

I will see. 

William Hill, Party Casino and a few others lets you bet pennies on outside bets for live dealer Roulette play, but the lowest I have seen anywhere for Baccarat is £2.00.

Quote from: malcop on November 28, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
William Hill, Party Casino and a few others lets you bet pennies on outside bets for live dealer Roulette play, but the lowest I have seen anywhere for Baccarat is £2.00.

DublinBet live dealer Baccarat is 50p minimum.

What makes me laugh is some casinos I visit have a £5 minimum bet on the dozens/columns and yet 10p on the inside numbers. You could just bet 6 splits at 10p each and cover any dozen or column you wanted for 60p. Works great if you are a progression fanatic.

I was going to start playing at BV this week on the no zero wheel but this thread has talked me out of it. There are plenty of live wheels out there. I would rather up the bets and play a slower game than risk any dodgy goings on with RNG software.

I have read threads on a few gambling forums where some long term posters have a lot of statistical analaysis showing the percentages are way more in favour of the casino than what they should be. Some of these are not just the disreputable firms you read about either.

At least we have the choice to play where we see fit. I would always go by the rule that if it doesn't feel right, don't play!

I get that feeling with a few 'live' dealer wheels as well. Namely the 'supercasino' studio live dealer wheel and the 'smartlive' autowheel. Just my opinion.

Quote from: monaco on November 28, 2012, 02:10:36 PM

DublinBet live dealer Baccarat is 50p minimum.

Yes you are right been about a year since I was on there.

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 02:11:39 PM
What makes me laugh is some casinos I visit have a £5 minimum bet on the dozens/columns and yet 10p on the inside numbers. You could just bet 6 splits at 10p each and cover any dozen or column you wanted for 60p. Works great if you are a progression fanatic.

I was going to start playing at BV this week on the no zero wheel but this thread has talked me out of it. There are plenty of live wheels out there. I would rather up the bets and play a slower game than risk any dodgy goings on with RNG software.

I have read threads on a few gambling forums where some long term posters have a lot of statistical analaysis showing the percentages are way more in favour of the casino than what they should be. Some of these are not just the disreputable firms you read about either.

At least we have the choice to play where we see fit. I would always go by the rule that if it doesn't feel right, don't play!

I get that feeling with a few 'live' dealer wheels as well. Namely the 'supercasino' studio live dealer wheel and the 'smartlive' autowheel. Just my opinion.

Brilliant idea Bally. Right I shall become a nightmare for BET365 now and unleash the FIVE LOL!!!

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 28, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
Giz that's not what we are talking about here. A method that delivers 10/1--12/1 playing for pennies. Suddenly starts delivering 6/1 playing for Euros. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt.

That proof I provided, that you so easily dismissed, had a stretch of ten sessions, at hit and run tactics, that dropped to a 2.3 / 1 hit rate. When you get normal randomness results like that you might want to consider that it's just part and parcel of the game and not some casino targeting you with some cheating conspiracy.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 02:17:13 PM
That proof I provided, that you so easily dismissed, had a stretch of ten sessions, at hit and run tactics, that dropped to a 2.3 / 1 hit rate. When you get normal randomness results like that you might want to consider that it's just part and parcel of the game and not some casino targeting you with some cheating conspiracy.

So now tell me why I've never dropped below 5/1 in 4 years live Giz? Only had 8 double losses out of a potential 572.

NEVER run into a treble LIVE. Im telling you straight. No simulation can duplicate what I experience hitting 5 different tables for one pop at a time. No way. It simply cannot.